Sex offender named Avril Lavigne arrested in Portland,Oregon

May 8, 2016 14:30:57 GMT Becky said:

May 8, 2016 13:56:05 GMT Cookie Monster said:

Whether he was mentally ill or not, his actions were callous and were certainly not involuntary - I am glad that he received 40 years in prison. I know 3 people who have bipolar disorder but they are not even close to being violent. Though each person should be evaluated individually, if one could make those decisions of killing his mother and defiling her body with household chemicals while being maniac - I think his violentness have a lot to do with his mental disease of course, but also along with his personality and morality.

Ofc, I'm not saying what he did was right whatsoever, just that telling someone who could potentially be very mentally ill to grow up is very insensitive. Doing household chores may have been incredibly difficult for him to do, just like getting out of bed each day may have been very difficult to do. He deserves prison, and if he's ill then he deserves treatment too. He could have had years worth of built up anger, resentment and frustration and in that moment could have snapped. We weren't there or at the court case, we have no idea why he did it. 

It's just a sensitive topic for a lot of people.

Yup, it's a sensitive topic. I'll just say that 'normal' people with bipolar disorder are not potential murderers or criminals - they are suicidal.

May 8, 2016 21:10:22 GMT BogoGog24 said:

May 8, 2016 13:05:16 GMT Cookie Monster said:

Wait, that was so random. I don't get why this have anything to do with Robert Nyon's murder of his mother? Did the guy in your sig 'struck his mother in the head with a bottle of cognac, stabbed her nine times in the back and then dumped household cleaning solutions on her dead body'?

And I'm sure nobody said anything negative about people with mental disorder? Avrilfan04 meant that having bipolar disorder is not an excuse for that murder or his 'childish' life.

LMAO I'm not saying what the guy did was right or even that having a mental illness exactly excuses it. I'm just saying that saying stuff like "grow the fuck up" is a really ignorant and insensitive thing to say about someone who might have a mental disorder because "growing up" has nothing to do with it. They need treatment. 

From what I see, Avrilfan04's point was that aside from having a bipolar disorder, he is one of those "adult child". And I too don't really see the connection between being heavily parent dependant and having bipolar disorder - but then, like Becky said, he might have more than one mental disorder other than bipolar disorder. Still, personally, I feel hell of a lot more sorry for his mother who had to put up with him for all those 39 years and than brutally murdered, than this 'poor' guy who may or may not be suffering from unstated mental disorders.

May 9, 2016 15:32:07 GMT Becky said:

May 9, 2016 12:01:28 GMT @harvey said:

So much concern over hurting a murderer's feelings.

But okay if we're really doing this, a friend of mine tells me to grow up every time we disagree about something. I just chalk it up to English not being her first language, and that she struggles with formulating a better way of expressing her disapproval and frustration. This is all about giving people the benefit of the doubt, so why not just let it go?

It's not about hurting a murderer's feelings, it's about telling someone with a mental illness to grow up, I guess it just touched a nerve. Obviously I doubt Avrilfan04 meant any disrespect, it's just that there's so much stigma around mental illnesses. 

But I doubt Avrilfan04 meant to say that people with mental illness need to grow up. This man is a 39-year old heavily parent-dependant adult who constantly fought with his mother because he didn't want do the chores etc., and this abnormally 'childish' life (I think this is Avrilfan04's point), you see, have nothing to do with him having bipolar disorder. Did Kurt Cobain live like this? Did Vincent Van Gogh? No. Bipolar disorder is not a developmental disorder. And the articles doesn't state any mental disorders of him other than bipolar.

So my opinion? You guys seem to be very interested in combating stereotypes of people suffering from mental disorder, but the thing is that doesn't have anything to do with what Avrilfan04 said. And this was my point from the very start.