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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 25, 2024 20:30:44 GMT
The baby line in But Daddy I Love Him is her saying she’s going to have his baby just to see everyone’s faces, but she’s only kidding. Because everyone hates him and is against her dating him so she’s doubling down by saying “oh yeah? I’m gonna have his baby! Just kidding, I’m not, but you should have seen your faces!”
I think The Black Dog is more about Matty than Joe as well, just some of the lyrics seem more like Matty (“I miss the smoke” - this is a metaphor but might also reference Matty as a literal smoker, “were you making fun of me with some esoteric joke”? - this seems like the type of thing Matty would do, he seems kind of pretentious?), plus she says “old habits die screaming” which might refer to him being an alcoholic. I have no idea if he actually is one but he used to have a drug addiction and was in rehab.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 25, 2024 21:30:21 GMT
Can we just talk about how sad and tragic the line in Peter is when she says "the woman by the window turned out the light"? It's such a simple, subtle word choice but incredibly impactful. The song begins with her recalling memories of them together when they were young, but she consistently says "you said you were gonna grow up, then you were gonna come find me." Then we finally come to the conclusion of the story where she says "the woman by the window turned out the light." As in, she grew up from a girl to a woman and gave up on waiting for him, indicating that years had passed by and she probably experienced all sorts of things in that span of time while he was still playing around like a kid. She grew up and he didn't. TAYLOR SWIFT HOW DARE YOU
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Post by biggerwow on Apr 26, 2024 2:09:22 GMT
Top 5: Guilty as Sin? / My boy only breaks/ Daddy I love him/ Down Bad/ I can do it
Honorable mentions: The Bolter/ Whose afraid? / Fortnight / SmallestMan /Peter
I listened to TTPD twice and made a playlist to see if some songs grew on me. First listen the only standout was Guilty although I also liked the cinematic Whose afraid...? And I think Fortnight is a good first single. Mostly, I liked the standard tracklist on second listen and the anthology less. I have the same critiques as most people so I'll just share this video which summarizes my thoughts about TTPD and Taylor Swift.
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Post by katy on Apr 26, 2024 8:13:46 GMT
The poets logo is on one of the props in her latest reel showing the tour rehearsals, so I assume she is adding it to the setlist. Interested to see what she cuts (SURELY she has to cut some songs to make room, but you honestly never really know with her do you lol)
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Post by Panchali on Apr 26, 2024 11:44:13 GMT
Can we just talk about how sad and tragic the line in Peter is when she says "the woman by the window turned out the light"? It's such a simple, subtle word choice but incredibly impactful. The song begins with her recalling memories of them together when they were young, but she consistently says "you said you were gonna grow up, then you were gonna come find me." Then we finally come to the conclusion of the story where she says "the woman by the window turned out the light." As in, she grew up from a girl to a woman and gave up on waiting for him, indicating that years had passed by and she probably experienced all sorts of things in that span of time while he was still playing around like a kid. She grew up and he didn't. TAYLOR SWIFT HOW DARE YOU At first I thought it’s about someone who died, and then I realised.. oh Peter Pan 😭
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 26, 2024 12:18:25 GMT
The poets logo is on one of the props in her latest reel showing the tour rehearsals, so I assume she is adding it to the setlist. Interested to see what she cuts (SURELY she has to cut some songs to make room, but you honestly never really know with her do you lol) I’m wondering this too. You can’t really cut anything from Fearless or Speak Now as they’re already quite short sets. Maybe she’ll just cut 1 song from the eras that got bigger sets, for example cut The Archer from Lover, Wildest Dreams from 1989. She could easily cut ATW but the fans would definitely have a fit. Please cut some tracks from folklore, that set is just too long and slow anyway. I have the feeling that may be where the most cuts happen, especially since it’s a similar vibe to TTPD. I wonder if now the show will end with TTPD instead of Midnights? I’ve also been wondering what songs will get performed as a permanent part of the set. Fortnight I think is a given, then most likely the title track, My Boy (would have great possibilities for choreography), then maybe I Can Do It, Who’s Afraid? (great dramatics for this song), and Clara Bow (like a Lucky One/Nothing New moment).
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Post by lbs2022 on Apr 26, 2024 12:55:25 GMT
The poets logo is on one of the props in her latest reel showing the tour rehearsals, so I assume she is adding it to the setlist. Interested to see what she cuts (SURELY she has to cut some songs to make room, but you honestly never really know with her do you lol) I’m wondering this too. You can’t really cut anything from Fearless or Speak Now as they’re already quite short sets. Maybe she’ll just cut 1 song from the eras that got bigger sets, for example cut The Archer from Lover, Wildest Dreams from 1989. She could easily cut ATW but the fans would definitely have a fit. Please cut some tracks from folklore, that set is just too long and slow anyway. I have the feeling that may be where the most cuts happen, especially since it’s a similar vibe to TTPD. I wonder if now the show will end with TTPD instead of Midnights? I’ve also been wondering what songs will get performed as a permanent part of the set. Fortnight I think is a given, then most likely the title track, My Boy (would have great possibilities for choreography), then maybe I Can Do It, Who’s Afraid? (great dramatics for this song), and Clara Bow (like a Lucky One/Nothing New moment). I saw some people say oh put it after midnights. That wouldn’t work for so many reasons 1 karma is already perfectly there as the end I can’t imagine it not in the end. And 2, a lot of people like to leave to beat traffic before karma they know karma is the end and that would screw them up too like they’re gonna miss an entire era. Honestly if I was Taylor I’d cut archer, nothing from evermore, maybe IKYWT even though I like that song, my tears ricochet for sure that song is too slow, and maybe that’s where you put TTPD set in between folklore and 1989
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Post by lbs2022 on Apr 26, 2024 12:59:46 GMT
Wait I just realized castle crumbling is also being added cuz of Hayley. Bro is this show gonna be 4 hours now? I feel like this isn’t fair tho people who already brought three tickets and booked train tickets and everything
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 26, 2024 14:37:37 GMT
I think TTPD will go after Midnights since it’s her latest album. She can end with something like I Can Do It with a Broken Heart, which is more upbeat and is literally what the song is about, her continuing to perform even while heartbroken.
IMO cut: The Archer Tis the Damn Season Delicate Wildest Dreams Betty (as much as I love this one I think you can get away with cutting it as you can’t really get rid of any others due to being fan favorites or big stage moments like TLGAD or August, etc.)
I don’t think anything can be cut from Midnights because they’re all big songs or stage moments (ex: you can’t cut Midnight Rain due to the bodysuit reveal and you can’t cut Mastermind due to the big choreography involved). I guess if anything is to be cut from Midnights Mastermind is probably the one that makes the most sense. Or maybe she will cut the acoustic songs despite that being a fan favorite part of the show, or maybe she will only do 1 song instead of 2.
This would allow about 5-6 songs for TTPD.
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Post by lbs2022 on Apr 26, 2024 14:45:47 GMT
I think TTPD will go after Midnights since it’s her latest album. She can end with something like I Can Do It with a Broken Heart, which is more upbeat and is literally what the song is about, her continuing to perform even while heartbroken. IMO cut: The Archer Tis the Damn Season Delicate Wildest Dreams Betty (as much as I love this one I think you can get away with cutting it as you can’t really get rid of any others due to being fan favorites or big stage moments like TLGAD or August, etc.) I don’t think anything can be cut from Midnights because they’re all big songs or stage moments (ex: you can’t cut Midnight Rain due to the bodysuit reveal and you can’t cut Mastermind due to the big choreography involved). I guess if anything is to be cut from Midnights Mastermind is probably the one that makes the most sense. Or maybe she will cut the acoustic songs despite that being a fan favorite part of the show, or maybe she will only do 1 song instead of 2. This would allow about 5-6 songs for TTPD. Yeah but like, idk it would feel weird her ending the show with "im Miserable, and nobody even knows. Try and come for my job" when she clearly isnt. I think between 1989 and midnights or maybe right after folklore and ut a bit of folklore
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 26, 2024 16:22:20 GMT
Yeah I know what you mean, I guess we’ll see. She always surprises us!
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Post by Dillon on Apr 28, 2024 1:06:24 GMT
Songs I see being cut:
The Archer -‘Tis The Damn Season - Willow always made more sense as an opener for the set anyway -Illicit Affairs (possibly because it’s just so short like Wildest Dreams) -Cardigan -Wildest Dreams -Mastermind -Midnight Rain or Vigilante Shit (I see 2 Midnights songs getting cut, I’m just not sure what the second one will be). If Midnight Rain is cut, I think she could easily create a new transition for taking off her shirt dress before going into Bejeweled. + 1 additional song from one of the longer eras that I can’t make my mind up on.
As Midnights got 7 songs when it was the newest album, I think TTPD will get the same. And if Illicit Affairs gets cut, that combined with Wildest Dreams almost equals a whole song length which would equal 7 songs removed from the set list giving space for seven new songs.
TTPD Songs I see as contenders for the set list: -Fortnight -The Tortured Poets Department -My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys -Down Bad -But Daddy I Love Him (abbreviated as the song is almost 6 minutes) -Fresh Out The Slammer (abbreviated, I think the song would end after the second chorus and the slowed part of the song would be cut and transitioned into another song) -Guilty As Sin? -Who’s Afraid Of Little Old Me? -I Can Do It With A Broken Heart -Clara Bow
I don’t see TTPD replacing Midnights as the closing set for the show. I think Karma closes it perfectly. If she were to close the show with TTPD, the only songs that I think could sonically fit for the final song would be the title track because it stays upbeat through the very end of the song. Or I Can Do It With A Broken Heart (but she wouldn’t be able to do the iconic “I’m miserable… come for my job” part because the outro has to stay upbeat for the finale when she has the crowd cheer for the band and dancers. So the part in the song when she does that wouldn’t really be there. So that would be kind of a let down for people wanting that part of the song. Or if she said it anyway, I guess it would just sound drastically different
Where else in the set TTPD would fall I have no guesses for. But I think we can all agree that I won’t open the show haha.
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Post by Dillon on Apr 28, 2024 2:10:43 GMT
.. still a lot of songs about Matty while it didn’t lasted that long.. that’s a bit weird. It seems so weird in context now with her coming from a 6 year relationship, but this is actually a theme for her. All of her most famous past relationships that got got a lot of songs (for most part entire albums): Joe Jonas with Fearless, John Mayer with Speak Now, Jake Gyllenhaal with Red, Harry Styles with 1989. All of those relationships, despite some of them having an on-again/off-again aspect did not last long yet resulted in a lot of music. Her longest relationship prior to Joe Alwyn was Calvin, which was 1 year I think? And coming out of that relationship, she did the same thing. Said just about nothing concerning Calvin, and wrote about Tom and Joe on reputation instead. So maybe the takeaway is that for her longer term relationships she has a tendency to want to share less depth and detail?
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Post by eismann on Apr 28, 2024 9:19:36 GMT
I dont want a new setlist... I want to hear all the Folklore, evermore and midnights songs...
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 28, 2024 12:44:18 GMT
.. still a lot of songs about Matty while it didn’t lasted that long.. that’s a bit weird. It seems so weird in context now with her coming from a 6 year relationship, but this is actually a theme for her. All of her most famous past relationships that got got a lot of songs (for most part entire albums): Joe Jonas with Fearless, John Mayer with Speak Now, Jake Gyllenhaal with Red, Harry Styles with 1989. All of those relationships, despite some of them having an on-again/off-again aspect did not last long yet resulted in a lot of music. Her longest relationship prior to Joe Alwyn was Calvin, which was 1 year I think? And coming out of that relationship, she did the same thing. Said just about nothing concerning Calvin, and wrote about Tom and Joe on reputation instead. So maybe the takeaway is that for her longer term relationships she has a tendency to want to share less depth and detail? She also says in the prologue “It’s the worst men I write best.” A lot of artists say it’s easier for them to write angry songs or breakup/sad songs than happy songs (I think Avril has said that), so if she’s with the same person for a long time she’s clearly not too unhappy with them, whereas the relationships that start and end quickly obviously there’s more there for her to write about. Something would have went wrong for the relationship to end so soon, like cheating, broken promises, etc. And that just naturally creates more material for her to write about. I think that’s why post-Lover we saw her write more fictional songs (folkmore) or delve back into the past (Midnights). And why on TTPD Joe didn’t get that many songs, because he wasn’t necessarily bad, just the relationship ran its course but she doesn’t have any ill feelings towards him. There was essentially not much to write about there.
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