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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 15, 2019 12:42:03 GMT
Meant to add another thought where awards are concerned. Awards make the album presumably more valuable. For example, Fearless is the most awarded country album of all time. This will theoretically increase its value. As I said previously, I don’t think awards transfer over to new recordings. So a re-recorded edition of Fearless, as much status as Taylor has in 2019, would likely not be as valuable as the original recorded in 2008, despite the fact she’s more famous now. Not that that’s the motivation to do the rereleases, it’s simply a loophole for her to be able to own her own work again. But I think it’s an important factor to consider. If she’s able to get the originals back, that would probably benefit her more than re-recordings that lack the sales certifications and accolades of the originals, therefore rendering them less valuable.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 15:26:38 GMT
Good points. The old stuff is still selling. Just saw an updated charts stat and her debut record has sold almost as many as 1989!
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Post by Dillon on Jul 16, 2019 1:37:06 GMT
I don't think Taylor would ever do it. Piggybacking off the thought that the original albums have notoriety, awards, etc., I think Taylor feels these are masterpieces in the sense that she made them exactly how they were meant to be. A re-recorded version can never be that. Red ultimately did not win Grammy Album of the Year because the overall sound was not cohesive enough (I disagree), so she made 1989 to do just that. She already made the albums the way she envisioned them to look like and sound like the first time. She is also not at the same point in life as she was for each album. She has always said that she considers her albums different chapters of her diary. She can't relive those moments and feelings, so she can't have those chapters repeat.
It's also kind of a ridiculous thing to do considering she still earns her royalties as she always has. She has never owned the masters, so nothing has changed as far as money is concerned. But what would re-recording them even help? Sure, she would own these new masters, but she would still not own the original masters of the albums that she created exactly the way she wanted them during the times she originally felt she needed to. Re-recorded albums would not change this...she would still not own her original work. Re-recording the albums, although it seems interesting to listen to, would be pointless in my opinion. And considering how we've heard Taylor talk about her music in the past, I think she feels the same way.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 16, 2019 2:32:23 GMT
Yeah exactly. But I guess it’s because they don’t want Scooter to make even so much as a cent off her. Which I think is unrealistic because there’s still going to be some people who either don’t know the situation or don’t care and still stream the old stuff. Scooter supposedly only gets 30% of the royalties which aren’t much to begin with anyway. IMO it’s more important to focus on supporting her new album and tour and if you want to stream the old stuff too, who cares. Though now people are boycotting it because they’re saying Ithaca Holdings supports genocide in Yemen. I don’t know if that’s really true or not.
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Post by UnderAlexSkin on Jul 16, 2019 20:11:59 GMT
Such a great cover!
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Post by UnderAlexSkin on Jul 20, 2019 19:43:58 GMT
Lmfao
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Post by biggerwow on Jul 22, 2019 3:27:04 GMT
So I've been thinking of Taylor's situation with Scooter Braun. She has a lot of people on her side and against her. But I was reminded of her "besties" like Karlie Kloss (wait nevermind she's a model oops thought she was in music or something) and Ed Sheeran. Where TF are they? Ed just came out with a song with Bieber but I guess that was before the drama. It kind of reminded me a bit of Avril and her relationships with friends who have turned their back on her like Butch. The life of a celeb really is something. I can't imagine the trust issues these people might have.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 22, 2019 10:06:55 GMT
So I've been thinking of Taylor's situation with Scooter Braun. She has a lot of people on her side and against her. But I was reminded of her "besties" like Karlie Kloss (wait nevermind she's a model oops thought she was in music or something) and Ed Sheeran. Where TF are they? Ed just came out with a song with Bieber but I guess that was before the drama. It kind of reminded me a bit of Avril and her relationships with friends who have turned their back on her like Butch. The life of a celeb really is something. I can't imagine the trust issues these people might have. Ed tweeted that he spoke to Taylor in private. It was super annoying how many of her fans were bashing him simply because he didn’t say anything publicly. Like people are so obsessed these days with social media it’s like they’ve forgotten its possible to communicate in other ways. He finally explained he had been speaking to her privately about it. Which I think means a lot more than just writing a stupid tweet about it, it’s not that hard to write a tweet of support and do nothing else. Karlie is a different story. There’s some connection between her husband and Scooter, like her husband is a part of Ithaca Holdings I think? Not sure. Rumor is Karlie blabbed personal info about Taylor to Scooter. Not really sure of the whole story.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 23, 2019 22:54:24 GMT
New song “The Archer” out now. It will be track 5 on Lover, the designated “emotional” track 5. Not a single.
I think it’s just ok tbh Kind of underwhelming. The lyrics are emotional yeah but idk it just doesn’t do much for me personally. Kind of repetitive. Not terribly interesting musically. She is the sole writer. I think she’s written tons of better songs on her own than this.
So far I’ve been underwhelmed by every song from this era but I have always felt that way about the singles since 1989 and ended up loving the full albums. I hope this will be the case this time. On the bright side she explained all the deluxe editions will have entries from her diaries over the years, which is amazing! One will even have the original lyrics of the 10-minute version of All Too Well.
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Post by Dillon on Jul 23, 2019 23:46:32 GMT
Same for me. Very underwhelming. Which makes me glad it's not a single, and just a pre-release track. I have only listened to it a couple times on the way home in the car, so I haven't gotten to actually read through the lyrics and interpret what I think it means. But as far as how it sounds musically, I am not impressed.
I wouldn't say Taylor has any songs that I genuinely dislike, just songs that I have to be in a very specific mood for and I am rarely in that specific mood; so therefore those particular songs don't get listened too much. This definitely feels like one of those songs.
I've never been one of those fans who put in a lot of hype around track 5. I mean, if you ask me, I think AYHTDWS on 1989 kind of broke the pattern anyway. And Delicate kind of fits the pattern, but doesn't at the same time. So now with that in mind, I definitely wouldn't put a lot of hype into this whole track 5 thing.
I will say though, that since she has recognized this pattern from fans noticing, which she never did purposefully, it's kind of cool that's she's embracing it now and trying to continue the pattern.
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Post by biggerwow on Jul 23, 2019 23:48:19 GMT
It sucks. The beat makes it seem like the song will explode any minute but it doesn't and ends up just being annoying. And her voice is just clouded by the sound. These singles have been lack luster. Hopefully the rest of the songs are better.
10 minute All Too Well, that's interesting. Hopefully they get shared. I think it's her best song.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 24, 2019 0:23:42 GMT
I'm really not getting the fans on Instagram losing their shit over it, calling it her best song, a "masterpiece" (far from it), saying they're crying over it... ok it's an emotional track about how she realizes her tendencies in relationships and how she's trying to save it and stop herself from ruining it. How all her enemies started off as friends. There's definitely some meaningful and vulnerable stuff she's talking about here, but I don't get people crying over it. Ronan was a tearjerker, not this. Tbh I really despise those kind of fans that just love everything she does, how every song she puts out is ThE bEsT sOnG eVaaaRRR. They hype everything up because it's new. Then when the next thing comes out, THAT'S the best song. So it's not even like they genuinely like the song, they only like it because it's new and that fucking grinds my gears lol
My ranking of the track 5s:
All Too Well (come on, nothing is ever going to beat that in terms of her emotional tracks) All You Had to Do Was Stay Dear John Delicate White Horse The Archer Cold As You (sorry, could just never stand this song, this is another one people love for some reason but I always thought it was terribly boring and her voice is too whiny on it)
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 24, 2019 0:30:25 GMT
I don't mind that it doesn't have a climax, I don't think every song necessarily needs to. But I don't like how the song stops abruptly. I wonder if that was done on purpose and it's going to lead into the next track or something. I don't know, it's weird.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 0:34:18 GMT
I haven’t listened to yet but never forget that Taylor is a master of capitalizing on controversy. The song is sorta irrelevant to the buzz it creates.
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Post by Dillon on Jul 24, 2019 1:08:58 GMT
I don't think every song needs a climax per se, but I agree with biggerwow that this songs sounds like one is supposed to be there. Because of the drum beat, four on the floor (if you know what I mean), it sounds like it's leading somewhere else, but it doesn't go anywhere. If this were a piano ballad, I could see it not climaxing in the chorus, but this song sounds like it needs something similar to Delicate, how starting with the second verse the rhythm changes and get's a little more exciting. Maybe it's the lack of a snare drum that makes it sounds like it's missing something? ...because it actually does lol
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