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Post by Jack on Apr 6, 2015 16:24:52 GMT
Taylor wants the money. She thinks spotify pays to little to keep her amazing one of a kind art.... It's not even the problem with how much a service pays the artists. You pay 10 dollars for premium and it's free for regular users, she doesn't want her music to be free. Her music would still be on Spotify if it wasn't for the free subscription Spotify offers... It's free for the user, but artist still gets money from them due to advertising. Tay's music would still be there if Spotify gave artists more money per stream, you can say she cares about all artists or just herself, but that's why she left Spotify. It's true that Tidal gives artists more money, but it's a only-subscription service, there's no "free" service. It's better for the artist, but worse for users because they have to pay 10 $ a month to enjoy all the catalogue. I do think Spotify should pay artist more, perhaps doubling what they are paying now. But let's not forget that with Spotify you will give the artist money every time you play a song of them, while you will pay your 10-15 $ per CD/Itunes/AmazonMP3 album but the artist won't receive more money from playing those albums. With Spotify free service, people won't feel the need to download ilegally and will give artists money through advertising, money that they wouldn't get otherwise. With Tidal, not only there won't be as many people wanting to join that service because there isn't a "free" option, but they might get less money because of the lack of paid suscribers. As someone said, they might get less money than they would get with Spotify. Sometimes it's better to sell things cheaper and sell more, than sell it more expensive and sell less. When it comes to Avril, I don't think she really cares about that. She's not relevant anymore, so I don't think Jay-Z will care about her. Yes, her music is there because Sony Music put it there, but that's it. She will get some money from it, but I don't think she will really care how many streams she has or how much she gets.
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Post by greeneyedsoul on Apr 6, 2015 16:47:49 GMT
It's not even the problem with how much a service pays the artists. You pay 10 dollars for premium and it's free for regular users, she doesn't want her music to be free. Her music would still be on Spotify if it wasn't for the free subscription Spotify offers... It's free for the user, but artist still gets money from them due to advertising. Tay's music would still be there if Spotify gave artists more money per stream, you can say she cares about all artists or just herself, but that's why she left Spotify. It's true that Tidal gives artists more money, but it's a only-subscription service, there's no "free" service. It's better for the artist, but worse for users because they have to pay 10 $ a month to enjoy all the catalogue. I do think Spotify should pay artist more, perhaps doubling what they are paying now. But let's not forget that with Spotify you will give the artist money every time you play a song of them, while you will pay your 10-15 $ per CD/Itunes/AmazonMP3 album but the artist won't receive more money from playing those albums. With Spotify free service, people won't feel the need to download ilegally and will give artists money through advertising, money that they wouldn't get otherwise. With Tidal, not only there won't be as many people wanting to join that service because there isn't a "free" option, but they might get less money because of the lack of paid suscribers. As someone said, they might get less money than they would get with Spotify. Sometimes it's better to sell things cheaper and sell more, than sell it more expensive and sell less. When it comes to Avril, I don't think she really cares about that. She's not relevant anymore, so I don't think Jay-Z will care about her. Yes, her music is there because Sony Music put it there, but that's it. She will get some money from it, but I don't think she will really care how many streams she has or how much she gets. +1 img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/cat_zpsa5a1f50a.png
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Post by Rawad on Apr 6, 2015 18:40:56 GMT
TIDAL is just a scheme to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. They talk about supporting artists as if the artists on it need more cash and fame. I don't think Avril supports them, and I hope she doesn't. Music is not about money.
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Post by YänniBanäni on Apr 6, 2015 18:59:51 GMT
Offtopic, but I had to laugh so hard, when Madonna talked about the "humanity art, not technology art" -thing, having Nicki Minaj sitting next to her
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Post by YänniBanäni on Apr 6, 2015 19:00:37 GMT
TIDAL is just a scheme to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. They talk about supporting artists as if the artists on it need more cash and fame. I don't think Avril supports them, and I hope she doesn't. Music is not about money.I disagree. pop music has always been about money.
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Post by avrilsmile3100 on Apr 6, 2015 19:03:25 GMT
^Not true for all cases
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Post by greeneyedsoul on Apr 6, 2015 19:10:21 GMT
Record sales have been dying for years now and once iTunes launches its streaming service we can all say goodbye to record sales...
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Post by Rawad on Apr 6, 2015 19:38:17 GMT
TIDAL is just a scheme to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. They talk about supporting artists as if the artists on it need more cash and fame. I don't think Avril supports them, and I hope she doesn't. Music is not about money.I disagree. pop music has always been about money. It might be about money, but it shouldn't. There are lots of artists that really don't care about ameliorating their sales number more than they already are, and they are doing just fine, creating music for the sake of their fans. It's not delusional to think that some artists really do care about the fans that hear the music, more than they care about the dollars in their pockets.
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Post by In Wonderland on Apr 6, 2015 19:49:31 GMT
I disagree. pop music has always been about money. It might be about money, but it shouldn't. There are lots of artists that really don't care about ameliorating their sales number more than they already are, and they are doing just fine, creating music for the sake of their fans. It's not delusional to think that some artists really do care about the fans that hear the music, more than they care about the dollars in their pockets. The artists should care. But for lables $ is what keep them running. Music won't survive if people won't pay for it.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 6, 2015 20:07:06 GMT
I'm so tired of this argument "Well they already are rich, what do they need more money for?" It really shouldn't make any difference. A CD or a song is a PRODUCT just like anything else you would buy and it should be paid for. If you wouldn't walk into a store and walk out with a CD you didn't pay for, then why should you do that online? It is theft, only people don't think of it like that because it's so easy to steal and common for people to just illegally download. It doesn't matter how rich an artist or label already is- it is their product that must be paid for just like anything else you would buy.
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Post by In Wonderland on Apr 6, 2015 20:27:48 GMT
I'm so tired of this argument "Well they already are rich, what do they need more money for?" It really shouldn't make any difference. A CD or a song is a PRODUCT just like anything else you would buy and it should be paid for. If you wouldn't walk into a store and walk out with a CD you didn't pay for, then why should you do that online? It is theft, only people don't think of it like that because it's so easy to steal and common for people to just illegally download. It doesn't matter how rich an artist or label already is- it is their product that must be paid for just like anything else you would buy. I agree! But when you buy a CD you pay for it one time. When you stream songs you "pay" for it when you listen, you pay for it again and again and again. I have listened to AL so many times online (spotify) and have the actual CD (bought it) so for us who actually pay for things, don't illigally download, it's a question how many times shall we pay for it? But for those who doesn't pay, then I am on your side
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 6, 2015 20:54:21 GMT
I'm so tired of this argument "Well they already are rich, what do they need more money for?" It really shouldn't make any difference. A CD or a song is a PRODUCT just like anything else you would buy and it should be paid for. If you wouldn't walk into a store and walk out with a CD you didn't pay for, then why should you do that online? It is theft, only people don't think of it like that because it's so easy to steal and common for people to just illegally download. It doesn't matter how rich an artist or label already is- it is their product that must be paid for just like anything else you would buy. I agree! But when you buy a CD you pay for it one time. When you stream songs you "pay" for it when you listen, you pay for it again and again and again. I have listened to AL so many times online (spotify) and have the actual CD (bought it) so for us who actually pay for things, don't illigally download, it's a question how many times shall we pay for it? But for those who doesn't pay, then I am on your side I see your point but I thought with each play it was only like 11 cents or something, so you'd have to play a song around 12 times to equal what you would normally pay. It's not as though you're paying $1.29 for each stream.
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Post by In Wonderland on Apr 6, 2015 21:07:15 GMT
I agree! But when you buy a CD you pay for it one time. When you stream songs you "pay" for it when you listen, you pay for it again and again and again. I have listened to AL so many times online (spotify) and have the actual CD (bought it) so for us who actually pay for things, don't illigally download, it's a question how many times shall we pay for it? But for those who doesn't pay, then I am on your side I see your point but I thought with each play it was only like 11 cents or something, so you'd have to play a song around 12 times to equal what you would normally pay. It's not as though you're paying $1.29 for each stream. No but i have played GYWYL 259 times IWY 174 times = 28,49$ & 19,11$) and that's just to name a few. So that's more than what you pay once for a song So in the long run it will pay back.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 21:15:52 GMT
^Not true for all cases #BuyCDs #BuyCDs
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Post by thyarchery on Apr 6, 2015 21:46:57 GMT
I use Spotify Premium and I like it a lot - but I dont understand at all what this TIDAL-Thing is about. To me it seems like Jay-Z plays the saviour of the artist but just wants to make another billion of $.I doubt that Avril has thought a lot about all this. She isnt friend with any of the TIDAL-group and it often seems that she doesnt really care or understand how music business works today. I also doubt that she is interested in making even more money, she seems fine with the millions she already has. Preach it sister. If you let me elaborate your argument a little bit, my opinion is that Jay-Z is trying to save his business. By now everyone knows that physical CDs are in honest decline and that digital sales don't make up for it since it's very easy to download a song- even when his wife must be one of the top 5 selling singers both in America and worldwide. It doesn't matter how many anti-piracy laws are approved or how many sites are dismantled à la Mega Upload. Spotify is the only "legal" alternative that has thrived in the "illegal downloads" era. So he's basically trying to build up his own private Spotify that overshadows the original. But it seems that it will take more his millions and Taylor Swift's connivence to take Spotify down. Anyways, am i the only one who is amazed at all the revolutions in pop music happening lately that aren't revolutions at all? First we got Miley Cyrus stripping down like no one had done it before, next we had Lady Gaga claiming that the music industry wasn't ready for her new album, and now we have Jay-Zs court chanting the glories of a Spotify-lookalike. I wonder what's next. Fortunately Avril has never jumped on this kind of bandwagons. As for me, I don't use neither spotify nor tidal. If I really want a song, I buy the album. And as I'm pretty old-fashioned, I rarely have to buy new albums. But well, again I'm a dinosaur. Put me inside a museum and make a franchise of movies starring Kirsten Dunst already. Edited: Just saw the #BuyCds army. I enroll.
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