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Post by NowISee on Feb 6, 2017 20:28:25 GMT
There's always the possibility that she would think differently than what I think. If it's something big, it could affect how I'd see her and how I'd like to support her in her music.
And to think of that we, as fans of her music, can't even agree with the style, lyrics and co-writers of her choice - how could we agree and appreciate her views in politics?!
I have the impression that she doesn't have passion towards politics. If she had, she would have said something years ago. So, I think it's better that she doesn't get involved in politics.
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Post by katy on Feb 6, 2017 21:35:25 GMT
No I'm bloody sick of millionaires telling the working class how to vote and what to think. Trump and Brexit should've shown the rich and famous nobody cares what they think. Forever thankful she doesn't feel the need to lecture us all.
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Post by sam on Feb 6, 2017 22:09:13 GMT
I'm personally glad Avril doesn't voice her political views; and I don't like it when celebrities do so (even when I agree with them) Celebrities hold a lot of power and are very influential.
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Post by eismann on Feb 6, 2017 22:28:28 GMT
Well for me 'political' doesnt just include supporting a certain party or candidate. IMO everything is political. Rihanna working for UNESCO, Lady Gaga being a great supporter of LGBTQ-rights etc. - that's all political for me. While I do support the idea that Avril may focus on topics she actually knows a lot about (health especially Lyme or helping kids with disabilities like she did with her foundation), I think that there are some topics moving the world that shouldn't be ignored by her. To me (maybe only to me, who knows) she seems very isolated from the 'real' world and it actually pisses me off that she seems to care rarely about anything else that is not directly linked to her. I mean she praises mutual support within the music-business when Taylor Swift liked these pictures that were comparing Taylors (good) and her (tragic) M&Gs but never says a thing about support for fundamental women's rights? She tells Zuckerberg to stop 'bullying' her husband but can't say a word against discrimination? She says 'violence is never the answer' when she got hit at a bar but can't show support for the black community when racist cops killed unarmed black guys? Come on...
I don't want her to go all in and tell her fans to vote for Clinton like Katy Perry did, but when there is rising discrimination against Muslims in the country she lives in and given that a lot of her fans may be Muslims or when there is sexism and homophobia all over the news, then I would really appreciate if she would speak up.
Tbh, I can understand that a lot of people are probably tired of all these talks about the crises in the world - but problems surely won't be solved by ignoring them.
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Post by Bootylicious Batch on Feb 6, 2017 22:38:29 GMT
It wouldn't really bother me if Avril made any political statements or not. It's probably best she continues not to do so though, hard to take her seriously after asking someone to chuck at cupcake at her whilst singing about Hello Kitty.
And for all those saying they dislike it when "celebrities/millionaires" voice their political views, then they shouldn't listen to the supposed billionaire & Television star that is the current president of the US right now.
Also, if at any point a celebrity makes a political statement and that particular statement/views get people more interested and active in politics, that can only be a good thing.
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Post by pllforlife on Feb 6, 2017 23:01:02 GMT
It wouldn't really bother me if Avril made any political statements or not. It's probably best she continues not to do so though, hard to take her seriously after asking someone to chuck at cupcake at her whilst singing about Hello Kitty. And for all those saying they dislike it when "celebrities/millionaires" voice their political views, then they shouldn't listen to the supposed billionaire & Television star that is the current president of the US right now. Also, if at any point a celebrity makes a political statement and that particular statement/views get people more interested and active in politics, that can only be a good thing. Not defending Trump but there is a big difference in how Ariana Grande and Miley became millionaires compared to Trump's rise. I don't care what Angelina Jolie says from her many mansions about how I should vote or live or eat, or whatever. Same with Miley etc. It doesn't take a genius to be a celebrity, just a pretty face and a somewhat decent voice.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Feb 6, 2017 23:25:02 GMT
What would Avril tweeting about equality or human rights do though? She is a person of influence but she has no actual power, especially not in politics. It's not like if she said "I support the LGBTQ community" or "I don't agree with the immigration ban" that the government is going to go "Oh well ok, because Avril Lavigne said we shouldn't do it, I guess we won't." I think it's kind of a given she supports equality for all people, as the general population of rationally thinking people do. It kind of goes without her saying it. And as I said, her making a statement on it won't exactly incite change or be taken seriously by people who actually control politics.
I also wouldn't be surprised if she's only mildly educated on what's going on. She is not a US citizen and mainly lives in Canada. She doesn't generally have a lot of time to keep up with the news as she's working on her career or she prefers to stay off social media. She likely doesn't know the full extent of everything happening and if she's misinformed or not informed enough, she's better off not saying anything about things she knows nothing about and making herself look stupid. Maybe she doesn't agree with the women's march either and thats why she didn't say anything about it.
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Post by pllforlife on Feb 7, 2017 0:59:09 GMT
Well for me 'political' doesnt just include supporting a certain party or candidate. IMO everything is political. Rihanna working for UNESCO, Lady Gaga being a great supporter of LGBTQ-rights etc. - that's all political for me. While I do support the idea that Avril may focus on topics she actually knows a lot about (health especially Lyme or helping kids with disabilities like she did with her foundation), I think that there are some topics moving the world that shouldn't be ignored by her. To me (maybe only to me, who knows) she seems very isolated from the 'real' world and it actually pisses me off that she seems to care rarely about anything else that is not directly linked to her. I mean she praises mutual support within the music-business when Taylor Swift liked these pictures that were comparing Taylors (good) and her (tragic) M&Gs but never says a thing about support for fundamental women's rights? She tells Zuckerberg to stop 'bullying' her husband but can't say a word against discrimination? She says 'violence is never the answer' when she got hit at a bar but can't show support for the black community when racist cops killed unarmed black guys? Come on... I don't want her to go all in and tell her fans to vote for Clinton like Katy Perry did, but when there is rising discrimination against Muslims in the country she lives in and given that a lot of her fans may be Muslims or when there is sexism and homophobia all over the news, then I would really appreciate if she would speak up. Tbh, I can understand that a lot of people are probably tired of all these talks about the crises in the world - but problems surely won't be solved by ignoring them. I know this is off topic, but I seriously wonder how much Gaga actually cares versus how much would get her attention. It always seems whatever is trending in the news and then bam, Lady Gaga had gone through that growing up then capitalizes on it.
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Post by NowISee on Feb 7, 2017 6:50:31 GMT
I'm sure she agrees to woman rights to some extend, but isn't she kind of old school when she wants men to open doors for her and pay at dinner. Therefore I'd think she wouldn't be the best advocate for this cause.
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Post by Jack on Feb 7, 2017 7:56:55 GMT
I think I can see both "sides" of the discussion. While it would be interesting to see what's her stance on all these things happening in the world lately and that she was more open on social issues, I kind of prefer she doesn't say anything, unless she's directly asked. She's had enough "fails" when it comes to her own music career, that adding non-music things to that might be even worse for her. It would be nice from her to show she's not just under her own "bubble" and cares a bit more about things she's not directly involved; however, she's shown she's interested in a few things like Lyme (because she suffered from it) and kids with disabilities (what she focused on with her Foundation), so it's not that bad either. Also, she suddenly started "campaigning" for LGTB, woman's rights and so on, people might think she's doing it for marketing purposes and not genuinely. So, all in all, I think she should focus on her own music career and perhaps a few other things she knows about (Lyme, kids with disabilities) before starting to really show that she cares about other issues happening in the world; but of course, if she's directly asked (which I doubt she'll be at this point) she should obviously give her opinion.
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Post by Neil on Mar 10, 2017 11:15:02 GMT
I definitely think she should. I don't think "potentially losing some fans" is a good enough reason to be silent while various groups of people are getting run over and scapegoated. The Paramore band members openly tweet about their views on political and social happenings and it makes them come across as actual human beings rather than walking corporations. I wish Avril was like that.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Mar 10, 2017 11:49:34 GMT
I'm sure Avril has feelings and opinions on it, but why would she think or why does any celebrity think people care what they think? I'm here for Avril because I like her music. I could give less of a shit what she thinks about stuff going on in politics. I don't care what the members of Paramore think about it either and on top of it I don't care about their music either. It's a little egotistical IMO when celebs who do something else as their profession actually think anyone cares what they think. Im not saying they aren't entitled to have opinions or even to express them, but these singers who constantly push a political agenda like Miley or Katy Perry are just annoying. I'm glad Avril sticks to the music. I think sometimes it would be nice to see her tweet about something less controversial like International Women's Day.
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Post by Neil on Mar 10, 2017 11:59:23 GMT
I don't think it's fair to say artists should only stick to music. They have every right to express their political opinions like anyone else. I wouldn't tell a plumber to stick to plumbing if he/she voiced their opinion on politics. I also don't think it's egotistical for them to think that people care about their opinions - it's fact.
I don't think that speaking out against banning Muslims, breaking up immigrant families or taking away healthcare coverage from millions of people should be considered any more controversial than tweeting about International Women's Day.
I frequently use Paramore as an example when talking about Avril because their music is in the same genre.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 12:47:08 GMT
I think the main reason why she doesn't express any "political" views is that she doesn't give a sh1t about the topic. The point that she is silent to not offend her fans is a good one, maybe it's the case too (somehow I doubt it though ), but the main one is that of the previous sentence. She isn't interested to mess around with it. Why should she express something she doesn't have any interest in? Is this bad, that she is so indifferent regarding politics? No!111 It's rather good. She is not obligated "to stick only to music" and stuff, normal way she just will express what she is interested in. Be it nickelback "bullying" or ... or whatever, i failed to remember what else our kween has been expressing about recently. Honestly, I love she isn't in that stuff. Ironically, I like when some well known person expresses such views. But only when they align with mine. It would be a disaster if Avril Lavigne said something sensitive in the political area something radically opposite to my views. I definitely don't want that. Since I live where there is war, it gets even more sensitive. I don't want my heart to get broken.) That's why I am so thankful that my kween isn't in the politics. ^_^
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Post by Neil on Mar 10, 2017 13:03:14 GMT
Yeah, if she's not interested in politics then obviously she shouldn't force herself to have an opinion and voice it.
I'm not so sure that she isn't into politics though. She follows Justin Trudeau on Twitter, posted a photo of her watching the last election results and alluded to the Trump situation in a roundabout way when she defended Nickelback earlier this year. Also, she supports social campaigns like "Stop the R-word" which aren't apolitical.
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