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Post by Blackarachnia on Apr 25, 2015 21:15:35 GMT
I wonder if Avril has reached out to him or Brody, or what she thinks? Or if she has even heard... hopefully it's not anything like Kris' knee-jerk reaction on Twitter
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 25, 2015 21:59:34 GMT
I don't think Avril communicates with Brody anymore. I'm sure she's heard about the situation and is probably either supportive or indifferent, but I don't think she cares about reaching out to him or Brody. She's long past that relationship. Also, I think she is just focusing on getting better and promoting Fly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 22:31:35 GMT
I don't really get why this is news? Didn't he have hormone treatment years ago and had some plastic surgery already? It just makes me think of the sarcastic news comment.... "and also, the sky is blue and water is wet"
I dunno, maybe it's just me and my indifference to celeb gossib, but people have been transitioning for years now, I don't see the big deal.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 26, 2015 2:07:50 GMT
I think people see it as a huge deal because he's a well known celebrity and while this has been going on for years and years, it's rarely ever made this public. Most people don't understand it or understand what the person goes through. Bruce will be starring in a documentary airing later this summer where he discusses his transition. It's not exactly the type of thing that's in the news every day. A lot of people think it's important to have prominent transgendered figures to help other people that are going through the same thing, to educate people about it, and to promote acceptance. This isn't just another celeb coming out as gay. It's a totally different thing and something rarely seen so publicly. I'm not a fan of Bruce or anything to do with the Kardashians, so I don't care what he does with his body or personal life, but I do think it's good for the general public and for people that are experiencing this same issue that they have someone they can kind of look up to, I guess.
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Post by Blackarachnia on Apr 26, 2015 13:52:11 GMT
I don't think Avril communicates with Brody anymore. I'm sure she's heard about the situation and is probably either supportive or indifferent, but I don't think she cares about reaching out to him or Brody. She's long past that relationship. Also, I think she is just focusing on getting better and promoting Fly. I don't know... doesn't mean they can't still be friends and supportive of one another and their families. After all, he went to her Vegas show last year. He was a significant relationship for her, and she's "never gonna cover up that tattoo" Even if you're over somebody, it doesn't mean you have to cut them out of your life
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 26, 2015 16:27:02 GMT
I don't think Avril communicates with Brody anymore. I'm sure she's heard about the situation and is probably either supportive or indifferent, but I don't think she cares about reaching out to him or Brody. She's long past that relationship. Also, I think she is just focusing on getting better and promoting Fly. I don't know... doesn't mean they can't still be friends and supportive of one another and their families. After all, he went to her Vegas show last year. He was a significant relationship for her, and she's "never gonna cover up that tattoo" Even if you're over somebody, it doesn't mean you have to cut them out of your life She's married now though. I don't know, I think it'd be a bit weird. I don't think she follows him on Twitter anymore. To me, while they were together for about 2 years and probably were in love at one time, I don't think it was a significant relationship in her life. He was basically a rebound after her divorce, a good looking Hollywood boy to make her feel good again and raise her self esteem basically. She never publicly discussed him the way she has with Deryck and Chad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 19:06:11 GMT
I think people see it as a huge deal because he's a well known celebrity and while this has been going on for years and years, it's rarely ever made this public. Most people don't understand it or understand what the person goes through. Bruce will be starring in a documentary airing later this summer where he discusses his transition. It's not exactly the type of thing that's in the news every day. A lot of people think it's important to have prominent transgendered figures to help other people that are going through the same thing, to educate people about it, and to promote acceptance. This isn't just another celeb coming out as gay. It's a totally different thing and something rarely seen so publicly. I'm not a fan of Bruce or anything to do with the Kardashians, so I don't care what he does with his body or personal life, but I do think it's good for the general public and for people that are experiencing this same issue that they have someone they can kind of look up to, I guess. The only reason I know who Bruce Jenner is, is because of this, I know loads of other trans people. There have been a few pretty high profile celeb cases previously; Chaz Bonos transition was a very big thing because not only is he Sonny & Chers offspring, but he transitioned from female to male which is far less commonly discussed. Lana Wachowski (of The Wachowskis or previously known as The Wachowski Brothers fame) wrote and directed The Matrix, TM Reloaded and TM Revolutions Carmen Carrera was on RuPauls Drag Race season 2 (or possibly 3 - one of the early seasons, anyway) Laverne Cox was the first emmy nominated transgender person and also featured on the cover of Time magazine. Lauren Harries was crazy famous (maybe more in the UK?) back in the late 80's, early 90's Buck Angel is a famous LGBT icon, adult film producer and performer The singer Kim Petras who was about 12 when she started her transition and was one of (if not the) the youngest people at the time to begin transitioning. Vogue magazine recently announced it is going to feature Andreja - (I can't remember her surname off the top of my head) as their first trans model I guess that because it's a subject I've a lot of interest in, I do hear stories like this regularly, so I tend to have a knee jerk reaction the opposite way Reading more into Jenners situation, I get the impression that because he was a famous sportsman, he would've been idolised for his masculinity back in the day, so some of the less accepting people (read as " ignorant") will struggle to understand his situation. Like Bongobongo, I've no interest in the Kardashians (sp?) so I don't know how he's been portrayed in that, but maybe he was also quite masculine in that too?
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Post by eismann on Apr 26, 2015 19:49:09 GMT
I think maybe Avril knew about this long ago since she and Brody were really close. I wish she would support Bruce on twitter or something, but I'm sure she talked about all this when she was with Brody. Also, there is Gabe who supports Bruce and as a gay, is maybe a bit closer to all this topic - so I'm sure Avril is aware of all this topic. But right now her mind maybe is focussed on her own health.
And even though she is married now, I dont think that's a reason why she wouldnt have any contact to Brody anymore. I dont think that they chat everyday but they were really close and I never saw him as a "filler" after Deryck. That wouldnt fit to Avril at all. Plus: Brody saved Avrils life when they were surfing and protected her in thsi bar-fight, so there was/is a deep connection between them. I guess they are fine with each other, no regulary contact but no hard feelings. Just my guess.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 26, 2015 21:53:08 GMT
I think maybe Avril knew about this long ago since she and Brody were really close. I wish she would support Bruce on twitter or something, but I'm sure she talked about all this when she was with Brody. Also, there is Gabe who supports Bruce and as a gay, is maybe a bit closer to all this topic - so I'm sure Avril is aware of all this topic. But right now her mind maybe is focussed on her own health. And even though she is married now, I dont think that's a reason why she wouldnt have any contact to Brody anymore. I dont think that they chat everyday but they were really close and I never saw him as a "filler" after Deryck. That wouldnt fit to Avril at all. Plus: Brody saved Avrils life when they were surfing and protected her in thsi bar-fight, so there was/is a deep connection between them. I guess they are fine with each other, no regulary contact but no hard feelings. Just my guess. I do agree about that and believe he meant something to her at the time, but don't you think it's a bit strange how Avril never talked about them dating? We basically would have never known if not for paparazzi pics. In I think that Howard Stern interview he asked her about it, basically making fun of him, and she kind of tried to diffuse the situation. I think she knew she would receive backlash for dating someone like him so she never talked about him. I think even Avril knew Brody was just a rebound relationship. I'm not saying that they weren't ever in love or anything, I'm sure they were, but it obviously wasn't serious enough to the point where they considered marriage or anything. In the end, we know Avril is a homebody and wants to settle down with someone and have a family and I think she realized eventually Brody was never going to do that. I don't know, they may still talk occasionally, perhaps he reached out to her privately when he found out she had Lyme disease, but I think their contact at this point is minimal. They've both clearly moved on. Their relationship is different than it was with Deryck. We know Avril still reaches out to him once in awhile because they were married and she considers him family, but I think it's different with Brody. Perhaps she did or will reach out to him about this but I don't think it's really necessary. If you only dated someone for 2 years and have been broken up for 3 years now and are married to some other guy, would you reach out to him about a personal thing? It seems a bit overboard IMO. Maybe if one of his family members Avril actually knew had died or something, I could see it. Not this though.
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Post by eismann on Apr 27, 2015 16:02:04 GMT
I think maybe Avril knew about this long ago since she and Brody were really close. I wish she would support Bruce on twitter or something, but I'm sure she talked about all this when she was with Brody. Also, there is Gabe who supports Bruce and as a gay, is maybe a bit closer to all this topic - so I'm sure Avril is aware of all this topic. But right now her mind maybe is focussed on her own health. And even though she is married now, I dont think that's a reason why she wouldnt have any contact to Brody anymore. I dont think that they chat everyday but they were really close and I never saw him as a "filler" after Deryck. That wouldnt fit to Avril at all. Plus: Brody saved Avrils life when they were surfing and protected her in thsi bar-fight, so there was/is a deep connection between them. I guess they are fine with each other, no regulary contact but no hard feelings. Just my guess. I do agree about that and believe he meant something to her at the time, but don't you think it's a bit strange how Avril never talked about them dating? We basically would have never known if not for paparazzi pics. In I think that Howard Stern interview he asked her about it, basically making fun of him, and she kind of tried to diffuse the situation. I think she knew she would receive backlash for dating someone like him so she never talked about him. I think even Avril knew Brody was just a rebound relationship. I'm not saying that they weren't ever in love or anything, I'm sure they were, but it obviously wasn't serious enough to the point where they considered marriage or anything. In the end, we know Avril is a homebody and wants to settle down with someone and have a family and I think she realized eventually Brody was never going to do that. I don't know, they may still talk occasionally, perhaps he reached out to her privately when he found out she had Lyme disease, but I think their contact at this point is minimal. They've both clearly moved on. Their relationship is different than it was with Deryck. We know Avril still reaches out to him once in awhile because they were married and she considers him family, but I think it's different with Brody. Perhaps she did or will reach out to him about this but I don't think it's really necessary. If you only dated someone for 2 years and have been broken up for 3 years now and are married to some other guy, would you reach out to him about a personal thing? It seems a bit overboard IMO. Maybe if one of his family members Avril actually knew had died or something, I could see it. Not this though. Ah, okay maybe I misunderstoof your first post. I fully agree. BUT personally I wouldnt say that the relationship between Avril and Chad is that closer than Avril and Brody. Only because Chad married Avril after only knowing her barely a year, doesnt make it "more love" to me than her relationship with Brody. And, Avril barely talked about Deryck when they were together. She only said that he is a great musician and after they divorced she talked about that they are still friends. But it's not that she gave out any private details about Deryck. She starting changing that since she is with Chad, not sure why she talks about him to the media so often and gives (too many) details... To me it always felt like Brody was something like a rebound in the beginning but it became a sweet love between them that I'm sure both of them dont regret. I think at the end, this relationship was more than just a filler. And if the rumours are true, Avril wanted to settle down with him, but he didnt. So I dont think she saw him as a rebound anymore. But anyway, dont want to go off topic any further
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Post by thyarchery on May 1, 2015 22:14:05 GMT
Honestly, if I was a transgender or someone going trough a sex modification process, the last person I'd look up to would be Bruce Jenner. Also, the last person I'd like to advocate for my rights. In my opinion, the fact that he's using it to make money-using the Kardashians' show to cash it in- is just disgusting. Maybe it's just me, but I find that intentionally using your sexuality, sexual life or gender issues to get money or attention is just another form of prostitution. To me, it's just another way to keep (up with) the Kardashian's neverending farce, and I'm glad Avril never participated in it-and I also have to give some credit to Brody Jenner for staying relatively away from the show. It's like Avril had had someone filming her illness' progress and had made a reality show out of it. Wachowski or even Bono seem much more credible and appropriate role models or advocates for transgenders. And I think that Avril has more important things to do than caring about Bruce Jenner. I wouldn't be surprised if she had reached Brody Jenner privately or if he had reached her to ask her about her illness.
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Post by katy on Jun 2, 2015 12:23:56 GMT
Pleased for Caitlyn
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Post by jackster31 on Jun 2, 2015 15:00:14 GMT
To me this whole Bruce/Caitlyn caper is more of publicity stunt than anything. Why go public, why not deal with this and your 10(!) (step)kids in private....I mean really...The fact that he says he wants to be a role model for others dealing with these issues...that's BS imo...you can also help others on the Down Low...but now they get more attention for that stupid reality show and I think I heard that the guy even gets his own show later in the year when they follow the actual transitioning (not sure if that's just a rumor though).
WTF....I'm sure he's struggled all his life not living the life he wanted but he also created 65 years of lies with three ex-wives and 6 kids/4 step kids....he could've "come out" to his family years ago and just gone on with his life. Now everyone is sharing these (not all real) emotions on television people are eating it up hook, line and sinker...It's sad that people in the public eye have become addictied to the attention and cameras. I'm so glad Avril is not involved with these folks anymore and actually does value privacy...their lives are so far removed from Avril's values it's ridiculous....
...I feel all this publicity diminishes the cause and becomes all about celebrity and sensational journalism...I'm not on board for this public support and championing of Bruce becoming Caitlyn...
...as for Avril..I doubt she reached out to Bruce or Brody; apart from having her own life and health to deal with...imo she and Brody never had more than a casual 'friends with benefits' relationship. She never acknowledged him publicly as her boyfriend and they never gave off that vibe of being a "real couple". When she lived in LA she went out with the hipster crowd and with that came a socialite "boyfriend"...enter Brody Jenner. They had absolutely nothing in common. She was in some sort of rebellious phase and Brody complemented that phase. Anyone could see that, if they wanted to. He could keep her company and travel with her while she toured and he used her "celebrity" to get to the bigger parties/award shows... I have no proof, but it's the way I see it.
...till this day he still has no career what so ever and just hops from party to party to stand next to a real DJ just to call himself a DJ...And why would Brody talk to Avril about his dad, when most of the kids didn't even know what was going on. They had suspicions sure, but Bruce kept everyone in the dark. I think she was barely involved with them as a family and hated the reality aspect of them. Avril even said in an interview that people in Hollywood can be 'surface' when she was asked why she fell in love with Chad (I think it was at her AL launch party in 2013). My feeling is that all the Kardashians are shallow as f*** and the Jenners are well on their way of following in their footsteps.
Know that this is my opinion, nothing more, nothing less...I have nothing against transgenders, gays, lesbians and what have you....I do have something against attention seekers like this bizarre family. It serves absolutely no purpose other than cheap entertainment for some.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 2, 2015 17:27:56 GMT
You do realize what you just said could perfectly apply to Avril as well.... I mean, let's not forget she had to announce her engagement with Chad to a magazine, as well as invited them to the wedding to take photos, and then she went to another magazine to reveal she had Lyme disease. She could have done all that in private, but at least as far as the Lyme disease thing goes, maybe she shared it publicly to bring awareness. Bruce/Caitlin could be doing the exact same thing, just trying to bring awareness and make it more "normal." Just pointing out that it's really laughable to say Avril is a "private person" when she's clearly not and to try to act like she's above these other people. She dated one of them at one point, she used to be friends with people like Paris Hilton, so I think she's always been more into the Hollywood scene and into publicity/attention than she lets on that she is. She also let a magazine take photos of her first wedding as well. I don't think she's as "private" as she claims to be.
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Post by thyarchery on Jun 2, 2015 17:41:48 GMT
You do realize what you just said could perfectly apply to Avril as well.... I mean, let's not forget she had to announce her engagement with Chad to a magazine, as well as invited them to the wedding to take photos, and then she went to another magazine to reveal she had Lyme disease. She could have done all that in private, but at least as far as the Lyme disease thing goes, maybe she shared it publicly to bring awareness. Bruce/Caitlin could be doing the exact same thing, just trying to bring awareness and make it more "normal." Just pointing out that it's really laughable to say Avril is a "private person" when she's clearly not and to try to act like she's above these other people. She dated one of them at one point, she used to be friends with people like Paris Hilton, so I think she's always been more into the Hollywood scene and into publicity/attention than she lets on that she is. She also let a magazine take photos of her first wedding as well. I don't think she's as "private" as she claims to be. Yeah, but Avril didn't get a show made on her disease. She had both her weddings photographed for magazines, and so did with her engagement, but that's not comparable to having an effing show about your family. Besides, she tried that both her engagement and her weddings were private instead of putting up a carnival like the Jenner-Kardashians do
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