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Post by Blackarachnia on May 31, 2015 14:19:30 GMT
Bullshit. Breakaway was cowritten by Avril in New York City about leaving Napanee... I mean the lyrics are so obvious... "Grew up in a small town, and when the snow would fall down... buildings with one hundred floors, spinnin 'round revolving doors."
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Post by eismann on May 31, 2015 14:43:29 GMT
Except that Breakaway was Kelly's second album, not debut. Also, how could Avril get a 10% writing credit if she didn't actually write anything? I'm confused by this. It's a common thing to do, so the singer seems more authentic and "real" cause he/she writes her "own" songs. I've read that especially Rihanna and Britney do this a lot. I mean, you just have to change like 3 words and it's input and you can get credited. And to me this doesnt seem fake, cause from the very beginning Avrils management placed Avril as a singer-songwriter, a "real" artist to make her more special. Who knows how much money her management gave the real writer of breakaway to get credits for Avril. Nothing is impossible..
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Post by eismann on May 31, 2015 14:46:16 GMT
Bullshit. Breakaway was cowritten by Avril in New York City about leaving Napanee... I mean the lyrics are so obvious... "Grew up in a small town, and when the snow would fall down... buildings with one hundred floors, spinnin 'round revolving doors." Tbh, millions of people could write a song about leaving a small town and dreaming of a new life in a big city. Just like everyone can write a song about being left or dealing with death etc. The lyrics of Breakaway make sense for Avril - but they also make sense for a lot of other people. I have no idea if it's true that Avril had actually no input in Breakaway, but it doesnt seem sooo unbelieveable to me since it's obvious that a lot of her LG-image was more fabricated than real PS: sorry for double-post but I dont understand how you can include 2 different qoutes in 1 post...
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Post by Dillon on May 31, 2015 14:49:50 GMT
What does he mean by he got her 10% writing credit? You can't give someone writing credit if they didn't write the song! I believe that she wrote it; whenever she has been asked about it, she has never denied that she wrote it. Just watch her talk about it in the Howard Stern interview. It starts at 27:56 I agree with Howard, she should definitely perform it live some time; she would need to learn the words first though Something we all know she isn't always best at. I love when she said that her demo probably sounded like ass - hilarious
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Post by niccolo on Jun 1, 2015 2:15:20 GMT
I'm not commenting on avril's contribution- but it's 10000% possible to be given a writing credit in return for a favour/money. I know this first hand as well as by many other artists doing it. someone above mentioned britney, who funnily enough is one of the only big artists who doesn't do this kind of thing, Beyoncé is famed for doing it, and it's obvious that she does; check out the BC Jean version of If I Were a Boy, which was released before Beyoncé ever recorded it... And then Beyoncé records and releases it and she has a main writing credit on it, despite the lyrics and majority of the melody being identical. There's a very thin line that decides how much someone needs to contribute in order to be listed as a writer on a song. Sometimes, if a main writer is generous, a small melodic change can merit a credit, since the copyright for a song lies in the melody and lyrics. ANYWAY, Google it! It's interesting to learn about these things
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 1, 2015 2:30:39 GMT
Actually I found the Howard Stern interview to be just the opposite. Any time he made reference to her writing the song, she kind of ignored it. She never said anything about writing the song which makes me think the 10% writing credit story is true. Plus it would make even more sense why she didn't "feel" the song and gave it away if she barely had any involvement in it. Remember, at that time Avril wanted to write rock songs. Breakaway sounds way too light, pop, and girly for what her style was like at that time. It's no surprise she probably didn't actually write it. But of course only Avril and the other writers of the song know for sure how much she was involved.
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Post by StrongSweet on Jun 1, 2015 10:01:28 GMT
lets face it, the way she hold for sounding different from any genre was the reason Let Go was such popular
Now, she lost her spirit and has nothing very strong, that is what makes her sales poor. If she wants to project pop/c9mmercial image, than push all the way. If she wants to make sprital album like first 2 album, push all the way. Ypu know, no one would care about you if you have nothing in ultimate. It is also why AL is such poor bc ppl have no idea or cannot feel the concept of the album. Even if you want to make difference on every track in one album, the album should have smthg similar, it could be emotion, vibe, style, vocal, instrumental or structure, which should become the concept. AL have no concept at all, just randomly select the songs and go with those shit
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Post by katy on Jun 1, 2015 12:00:00 GMT
Actually I found the Howard Stern interview to be just the opposite. Any time he made reference to her writing the song, she kind of ignored it. She never said anything about writing the song which makes me think the 10% writing credit story is true. Plus it would make even more sense why she didn't "feel" the song and gave it away if she barely had any involvement in it. Remember, at that time Avril wanted to write rock songs. Breakaway sounds way too light, pop, and girly for what her style was like at that time. It's no surprise she probably didn't actually write it. But of course only Avril and the other writers of the song know for sure how much she was involved. This. I find it hard to believe she wouldn't "feel" a song that is supposedly self-written about leaving her home town and a pretty major event in her life.
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Post by Blackarachnia on Jun 1, 2015 16:19:07 GMT
And to me this doesnt seem fake, cause from the very beginning Avrils management placed Avril as a singer-songwriter, a "real" artist to make her more special. Who knows how much money her management gave the real writer of breakaway to get credits for Avril. Nothing is impossible.. Actually, Avril had to fight to be a songwriter... she was originally signed as a recording artist, but she had to convince Reid to include songwriter in her contract. I doubt she would even get to the point of being offered credit for a song she didn't write... she probably changed a few lines and that's about it, hence the 10%. I doubt she received credit just for recording the demo, unless of course she made edits to the song
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 1, 2015 17:13:36 GMT
That's what I'm thinking. Maybe she just made a few changes here and there which was enough to get a small writing credit. Because we all know that she didn't want to record any songs she didn't write. The Matrix also claimed that she did the same thing, where she'd just change a few words here and there, but of course Avril refuted that, so who knows what's true. The way Avril worded it though was quite carefully. She didn't say "I wrote all those songs," she said "None of those songs aren't from me," which is rather vague so I wouldn't be surprised if back then she merely changed a few things around.
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Post by Janne on Jun 1, 2015 20:38:26 GMT
That's what I'm thinking. Maybe she just made a few changes here and there which was enough to get a small writing credit. Because we all know that she didn't want to record any songs she didn't write. The Matrix also claimed that she did the same thing, where she'd just change a few words here and there, but of course Avril refuted that, so who knows what's true. The way Avril worded it though was quite carefully. She didn't say "I wrote all those songs," she said "None of those songs aren't from me," which is rather vague so I wouldn't be surprised if back then she merely changed a few things around. Hey I never knew that happened ?
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 1, 2015 20:53:33 GMT
That's what I'm thinking. Maybe she just made a few changes here and there which was enough to get a small writing credit. Because we all know that she didn't want to record any songs she didn't write. The Matrix also claimed that she did the same thing, where she'd just change a few words here and there, but of course Avril refuted that, so who knows what's true. The way Avril worded it though was quite carefully. She didn't say "I wrote all those songs," she said "None of those songs aren't from me," which is rather vague so I wouldn't be surprised if back then she merely changed a few things around. Hey I never knew that happened ? Yeah in some interview in 2002/2003 they claimed Avril would just change a few words but didn't really write the songs.
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Post by Janne on Jun 1, 2015 20:55:56 GMT
Hey I never knew that happened ? Yeah in some interview in 2002/2003 they claimed Avril would just change a few words but didn't really write the songs. tsss, all so jealous of Avril's talent
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Post by eismann on Jun 1, 2015 23:08:41 GMT
Just compare the lyrics of her self-written songs to the LG-songs and it becames more than obvious that she didnt have that much input during LG...
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 2, 2015 0:23:04 GMT
I agree. If you compare the LG lyrics to any of the other songs she has written on her own (TMA, DTM, NH, Freak Out, all the GL songs, FF, Hush Hush) they aren't even remotely similar. Avril's writing style is much more basic, I mean I highly doubt she came up with the bridge in ABO, using words like "succulent" and "opulent." She might have had a bit more input on the songs with Cliff Magness, since it was just the two of them, but I'm sure she had little involvement on the Matrix songs.
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