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Post by Blackarachnia on Jun 6, 2015 14:25:47 GMT
I attended a talk given by Christy and she specifically remembered the word to be "crappy" but I do believe that there's an article from back in the day (Rolling Stone?) where she says "stupid", so who knows! Those songs are important for avril not just because of the success that they eventually achieved, but also because she would have 100% been dropped had they not come into fruition. It seems like that fact is the only thing that most everyone who was involved in her debut project can agree on. Her gratitude for them has grown through the years; she was criticised quite extensively by (allegedly being misquoted) saying that she didn't enjoy playing her old hits, other than IWY and Tomorrow during the UMS era. Now it's hard to get her to want to play anything other than those songs! Sort of shows maybe Christy is full of shit... she can't remember her own lies. I definitely think Avril contributed more to the songwriting than they have her credit for. Maybe not the lyrics, but the melodies. Keep in mind, The Matrix floundered and is never used for pop hits anymore... they have to sell themselves. So if they're like "oh yeah we did all those big hits", it makes them more desirable to the labels. If Avril was in the verge of being dropped, it's a wonder she ever "wanted" to work with LA Reid again... honey, he keeps screwing you over. I sort of think the whole "he founded me, I'm so excited" was just for politics. I wouldn't be surprised if she can't stand him after everything he's done, particularly with this era
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 6, 2015 14:37:31 GMT
I disagree. I do think Avril has a great relationship with LA Reid, in fact, I think she may have mentioned speaking to him during the GL debacle, which is probably how she ended up with Epic soon after. She always seems to appreciate having him at her performances and events. And I do think she feels very grateful that he discovered her and gave her a record deal so young. And sven if he was resistant at first, eventually he did let her do her own thing and he helped make LG a huge success. He definitely played a huge role in making Avril a huge star in 2002/2003.
But this era I'm not sure what happened. It's hard to tell how she feels about him currently. I can't imagine she's happy about how the promo went.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 6, 2015 16:46:34 GMT
But is Avril ever saying she personally loves singing the old hits now? Because reading between the lines, it just sounds like she's doing what she feels she's expected to do. The only old song I've heard her say she likes is IWY She has mentioned that she always wanted one day to be able to have an all-singles setlist. I think, in a way, she does it for the fans because it makes them happy to hear the old songs and they can sing along. But in turn that also makes her happy too because I'm sure it's fun for her to have the crowd singing along with her. So it's probably a give and take situation. She has also mentioned that she loves singing Girlfriend and Sk8er Boi. And she still hasn't gotten rid of IAGWIW, even though that was never a single. On the BST she didn't include very many GL songs, even though she had worked so hard on that album and fought for it, and the fans basically had to beg her to play any new stuff from AL besides the singles. I always get the sense that her experience with writing those 2 albums basically turned her off to ever wanting to play any of it live and that she keeps playing her older stuff for the nostalgia and because it reminds her of happier times in her career. I really hope that will change on the next tour though. I'm sure that of course she wants to please the fans by playing old stuff, but the fans also want to hear new material as well. Taylor Swift has just as many albums as Avril does but the bulk of her new tour is material from her latest album, with a few of her older hits thrown in. Fans go to the tours to hear the new material live, not to keep hearing the same songs over and over with a few new ones. It's supposed to be the opposite. Her ticket sales must have really taken a hit on this last tour, since she barely toured anywhere outside of Asia, she had 1 show in Canada, and otherwise basically toured as an opening act for another artist. I hope maybe she realized it's because fans stopped wanting to see her because she never changes her show. I always thought it would have been so cool if the AL Tour could have been a big show celebrating her 10+ year career, given how AL is a mixture of her older styles. There could have been different sections of the show, where she came out dressed like that era and played songs that suited that time. For example: ACT I: Let Go 1. Complicated 2. Sk8er Boi 3. I'm With You 4. 17 Outfit: Tank top and tie, baggy pants, Converse sneakers, straight hair ACT II: Under My Skin 5. Don't Tell Me - Avril plays guitar 6. My Happy Ending - Avril plays guitar 7. He Wasn't - Avril plays guitar 8. Bad Girl Outfit: Black tank top, tutu skirt, combat boots ACT III: The Best Damn Thing 9. Girlfriend 10. When You're Gone - Avril plays piano 11. You Ain't Seen Nothin' Yet 12. Rock N Roll Outfit: Abbey Dawn shirt with plaid skirt, fishnets, and Converses or high heels, pink hair ACT IV: Goodbye Lullaby 13. What the Hell 14. Smile 15. Wish You Were Here 16. Falling Fast - Avril plays guitar 17. Hush Hush - Avril plays piano Outfit: Abbey Dawn tank top with leather leggings and combat boots, pink and green hair ACT V: Avril Lavigne 18. Let Me Go with Chad 19. Give You What You Like 20. Hello Heartache 21. Hello Kitty 22. Here's To Never Growing Up or HTNGU/Complicated medley Outfit: Black leather jacket with black leggings and boots, plain blonde waves If only Avril could be even half that creative. I really enjoyed the show that I went to, but I wish that she would think of more creative ways of changing things up. TBDT was really great in that aspect because it had great staging and effects. I also miss how on Bonez and TBDT she played a lot of instruments. I hope maybe what's happened to her in these last several months can help light a fire under her again and inspire her to be creative again.
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Post by Janne on Jun 6, 2015 21:16:39 GMT
^ could it be that you explained that setlist idea before ? I Remember it from somewhere it would've been so awesome indeed ! On the other hand, it's kinda good that it didn't happen because that would've made me cry even more as she didn't come to Europe
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 6, 2015 21:21:53 GMT
^ could it be that you explained that setlist idea before ? I Remember it from somewhere it would've been so awesome indeed ! On the other hand, it's kinda good that it didn't happen because that would've made me cry even more as she didn't come to Europe Yeah I'm sure I've brought it up a few times. That's how badly I wish it would have happened though. I also miss that we didn't get DVDs these last 2 tours.
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Post by Janne on Jun 6, 2015 21:24:47 GMT
^ could it be that you explained that setlist idea before ? I Remember it from somewhere it would've been so awesome indeed ! On the other hand, it's kinda good that it didn't happen because that would've made me cry even more as she didn't come to Europe Yeah I'm sure I've brought it up a few times. That's how badly I wish it would have happened though. I also miss that we didn't get DVDs these last 2 tours. ... Or got a tour at all
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Post by Blackarachnia on Jun 7, 2015 15:01:43 GMT
I disagree. I do think Avril has a great relationship with LA Reid, in fact, I think she may have mentioned speaking to him during the GL debacle, which is probably how she ended up with Epic soon after. She always seems to appreciate having him at her performances and events. And I do think she feels very grateful that he discovered her and gave her a record deal so young. And sven if he was resistant at first, eventually he did let her do her own thing and he helped make LG a huge success. He definitely played a huge role in making Avril a huge star in 2002/2003. But this era I'm not sure what happened. It's hard to tell how she feels about him currently. I can't imagine she's happy about how the promo went. Honestly, RCA "dropped" her and moved her over to a less active label. She didn't make the decision, that's almost always out of an artist's control. They may have picked Epic because of Reid instead of some other Sony subordinary, but it wasn't like Avril have any choice
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 7, 2015 15:07:04 GMT
I disagree. I do think Avril has a great relationship with LA Reid, in fact, I think she may have mentioned speaking to him during the GL debacle, which is probably how she ended up with Epic soon after. She always seems to appreciate having him at her performances and events. And I do think she feels very grateful that he discovered her and gave her a record deal so young. And sven if he was resistant at first, eventually he did let her do her own thing and he helped make LG a huge success. He definitely played a huge role in making Avril a huge star in 2002/2003. But this era I'm not sure what happened. It's hard to tell how she feels about him currently. I can't imagine she's happy about how the promo went. Honestly, RCA "dropped" her and moved her over to a less active label. She didn't make the decision, that's almost always out of an artist's control. They may have picked Epic because of Reid instead of some other Sony subordinary, but it wasn't like Avril have any choice I never said that she did. But it's possible she spoke to LA Reid about how frustrated she was with RCA and he spoke with them in some kind of deal to release Avril from her contract and move her to Epic.
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Post by Blackarachnia on Jun 7, 2015 15:32:01 GMT
Honestly, RCA "dropped" her and moved her over to a less active label. She didn't make the decision, that's almost always out of an artist's control. They may have picked Epic because of Reid instead of some other Sony subordinary, but it wasn't like Avril have any choice I never said that she did. But it's possible she spoke to LA Reid about how frustrated she was with RCA and he spoke with them in some kind of deal to release Avril from her contract and move her to Epic. RCA was going to drop/move her regardless after the bomb that GL was and how much of a stink Avril made. Reid may have asked for her when the board, or whoever TPTB are, was trying to relocate her
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 7, 2015 16:06:23 GMT
I never said that she did. But it's possible she spoke to LA Reid about how frustrated she was with RCA and he spoke with them in some kind of deal to release Avril from her contract and move her to Epic. RCA was going to drop/move her regardless after the bomb that GL was and how much of a stink Avril made. Reid may have asked for her when the board, or whoever TPTB are, was trying to relocate her I don't think so actually. Before Avril moved to Epic, she was already working on her 5th album, about 3 months after GL's release. She had already had 8 songs recorded and knew which one she wanted as a single but had to re-record it. So I think they were planning to release album 5 very quickly to get her out of the RCA contract, it didn't seem like they were planning to drop her after GL.
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Post by Dillon on Jun 23, 2015 18:21:47 GMT
The beginning of this interview touches base on the writing of LG. It doesn't really go in depth, but it is mentioned.
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