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Post by jenda358 on May 27, 2015 10:57:56 GMT
We know that Avril was ready to release the album back in 2009 but it didn't happen because of the struggles with RCA. Which of the songs that ended up being on GL would have been on the record even if it had been released in 2009? We know that EH and Darlin' (and Black Star?) were already intended to be there. And we know that the Max Martin songs weren't intended to be there (especially when they didn't even exist at that time). But what do we know about Push, SST, Not Enough, Remember When, 4 Real and Goodbye? Were these songs already written in 2009? Were they supposed to be on the album back then?
And another question. It has been known since 2009 (or 2008 alredy?) that Avril planned her new album to be a lot more emotional than her previous records. Do you think it was motivated by her marriage problems from the beginning or was it just a coincidence that the divorce came at that time and kinda gave Avril more emotional material to write about?
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 27, 2015 11:18:21 GMT
What we do know is that Rolling Stone wrote an article about the album, which was the only source saying it had a November 2009 release date. According to that article, the songs that were already on it were Black Star, Everybody Hurts, Darlin, and Fine.
We don't know anything about the timeline of when the divorce songs were written. She could have written them when they started having issues, during the divorce process, or after. We don't know. And Alice obviously came later.
The only songs we know for sure we're there at the start are Black Star, Everybody Hurts, Darlin, Fine, and Gone, because a fan had asked Evan on Twitter what his favorite song on the album was and he said Gone, so it must have been on the original version.
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Post by Light02 on May 27, 2015 11:36:47 GMT
More successful, that's what it would've been.
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Post by jenda358 on May 27, 2015 11:38:03 GMT
What we do know is that Rolling Stone wrote an article about the album, which was the only source saying it had a November 2009 release date. According to that article, the songs that were already on it were Black Star, Everybody Hurts, Darlin, and Fine. We don't know anything about the timeline of when the divorce songs were written. She could have written them when they started having issues, during the divorce process, or after. We don't know. And Alice obviously came later. The only songs we know for sure we're there at the start are Black Star, Everybody Hurts, Darlin, Fine, and Gone, because a fan had asked Evan on Twitter what his favorite song on the album was and he said Gone, so it must have been on the original version. That's disappointing that there's so little information. But thank you for the summary. BTW, I still didn't get over the fact that we don't have the full version of Gone. The instrumental is so beautiful!
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Post by katy on May 27, 2015 12:43:23 GMT
I'd like to say it would have been a better album but if Black Star, Darlin and the most overrated song ever EH are anything to go by then I'm not sure it would. Success and quality wise it all depends what songs were on the original album but we have such little info on that its hard to say.
For me the only stand out tracks on GL are Not Enough and Remember When, it's a poor album and I don't think being released closer to TBDT would've changed its success.
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 27, 2015 17:20:14 GMT
I disagree. I do think RCA releasing the album 4 years after TBDT had at least some negative impact. People still totally worshipped Avril in 2008. I do think if the album had come out in 2009 with a strong lead single that represented the album, such as Not Enough, I think it could have done better. As good as her others? Of course not, but I think maybe it could have reached Gold status in the U.S. at least. Avril was still very popular and I think anything she put out would have sold. It's because they waited so long to put it out with a throwaway pop song about messing in bed as the lead single that it didn't perform so well and even at that, WTH still peaked just outside the top 10 and was certified platinum. Even after 3 years gone from the spotlight she still showed she had at least some star power left.
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Post by jenda358 on May 27, 2015 18:07:07 GMT
I disagree. I do think RCA releasing the album 4 years after TBDT had at least some negative impact. People still totally worshipped Avril in 2008. I do think if the album had come out in 2009 with a strong lead single that represented the album, such as Not Enough, I think it could have done better. As good as her others? Of course not, but I think maybe it could have reached Gold status in the U.S. at least. Avril was still very popular and I think anything she put out would have sold. It's because they waited so long to put it out with a throwaway pop song about messing in bed as the lead single that it didn't perform so well and even at that, WTH still peaked just outside the top 10 and was certified platinum. Even after 3 years gone from the spotlight she still showed she had at least some star power left. I agree. In fact, I think that if the album had been released sooner, it would have done better even with exactly the same singles and tracklist as it has.
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Post by Silent Soul on May 27, 2015 18:45:58 GMT
I also think it would be more successful. Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Adele, Taylor Swift and all the others weren't THAT big at that time, so it would be possible.
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 27, 2015 20:36:21 GMT
That's also true. Taylor had just come off the huge success that was Fearless but otherwise the others were either still kind of new artists or hadn't had their monster album yet. In 2011 that all changed with Adele releasing 21 and Katy Perry in the previous year with Teenage Dream. The other popstars had taken over by that point, because Avril/RCA left the gate wide open.
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Post by sam on Jun 3, 2015 7:21:14 GMT
Well I've always felt that if it was released earlier it would of probably put her in a better position, kept some of her fans (not talking about the music content here) as by the time GL was released in 2011 other artists had already then rose to bigger popularity- take Katy for example.
I do honestly think it harmed her greatly, probably lost her a few fans and has paved the way for the other Artists to get bigger in her absence and then walk all over her when she tries to fight back
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Post by goodbye on Jun 3, 2015 11:26:40 GMT
It would be interesting to hear and see what would ' ve been in 2009. Her fifth Album would be maybe better and then we wouldn't wait here for AL6 than we would wait for AL7
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Post by Dillon on Jun 3, 2015 15:35:51 GMT
^ To think, if GL had been released in 2009, then everything that happened after GL wouldn't have happened exactly as it has. If GL had been released in 2009, then Avril's life would have been slightly different and she could have therefore never have been in a position to get Lyme Disease.
I guess that I am kind of grateful for the way things turned out, because otherwise Avril wouldn't have worked with Chad in the studio. I'm glad that Avril was able to find someone she loves and cares for so much. It's so crazy to think that if AL had been released in 2012, then she wouldn't have worked with Chad in that situation either. Even though GL and AL weren't released as Avril had originally envisioned, at least she fell in love along the way.
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Post by sam on Jun 3, 2015 16:29:00 GMT
^ To think, if GL had been released in 2009, then everything that happened after GL wouldn't have happened exactly as it has. If GL had been released in 2009, then Avril's life would have been slightly different and she could have therefore never have been in a position to get Lyme Disease. I guess that I am kind of grateful for the way things turned out, because otherwise Avril wouldn't have worked with Chad in the studio. I'm glad that Avril was able to find someone she loves and cares for so much. It's so crazy to think that if AL had been released in 2012, then she wouldn't have worked with Chad in that situation either. Even though GL and AL weren't released as Avril had originally envisioned, at least she fell in love along the way. I agree to an extent about the Lyme disease thing but she could of just easily got a disease or something else anywhere else
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 3, 2015 17:09:39 GMT
I'm a person that believes everything happens for a reason and I've often thought that I think these things happened the way they did just so that Avril could meet Chad, just like Dillon said. Had GL been released in 2009, she'd have probably toured the following year and then released album 5 in 2012. I remember only a few months after GL's release that she was already working on album 5, that she had 8 songs recorded, and that she knew what the first single should be. So it probably would have been released very quickly. But of course, she wouldn't have met Chad, so I think things worked out how they were supposed to.
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Post by Jack on Jun 3, 2015 17:18:37 GMT
If there's something about Avril's career, is the amount of "changes of direction" the making of her albums have had. Except for UMS, all her albums have had some kind of change of direction from what it was envisioned at first; for LG, she was with a few (teams of) songwriters before finally finding the key with The Matrix; for TBDT, she started with Butch, Evan Deryck and (possibly) Chantal, but then Luke appeared and changed an important part of what the album was; for GL, RCA made her go back to studio with Max Martin and delayed the album almost a year, until they finally agreed to add 4/12 songs from the "hitmaker"; for AL, she had her album "done", full of "Tripod" songs, but then Martin Johnson and J-Kash happened and we saw a quite "all-over-the-place" album. I hope we can a more "direct" direction and we don't see more changes and delays with her next album...
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