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Post by daniel on Sept 4, 2018 18:30:11 GMT
1. UMS 2. LG 3. GL 4. AL 5. Unreleased 6. TBDT
I think AL is treated really unfairly by so many fans, there are a few bad songs on there but the good ones are some of her best, best lyrics and best production by far. As for TBDT, it just comes across as bratty and childish. Yes it has her only #1, but I think we all know that the charts are not indicative of good music.
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Post by fih on Sept 4, 2018 19:22:31 GMT
I personally like UMS the most. Yes, the lyrics surely aren't the best, but the songs still have meaning and are quite mature (especially compared to some of Avril's other songs...). I also love those heavy electric guitars, and the production is probably the best of all of Avril's records. Then there's that kind of dramatic, dark mood of some songs (e.g. the bridge of "Forgotten" with those strings is fantastic, almost theatrical!), which I just generally like; but there are also strong, empowering songs like "Who Knows", "Freak Out", and "Don't Tell Me". I can understand (and accept), though, that some people might not like it, especially if you prefer happy sounding songs. But AL5 is just definitely nowhere near as good as UMS. Some songs seem so forced with all this "motherfuckin' princess" shit. The lyrics partly seem totally uninspirational, others seem to try too hard to be LG-ish (HTNGU and 17). And the ballads are kind of overrated imo, especially "Hush Hush". The verses and the bridge are nice, but the chorus is kinda lame and I'd honestly expected some better piano arrangements from someone like David Hodges, especially after hearing Avril's cover of HYRM. And GYWYL gets kinda boring after a while; it's just really lacking a highlight. Maybe they should've added some more guitars or electric guitars or something in the last chorus. These arguments mentioned above are, however, just my own personal opinion. But - I'm sorry - even if you like AL5, you can't deny that the production of at least half of these songs is awful. I mean, there are actually glitches in "Bitchin' Summer"! I still wonder how no one of Avril's team back then could've noticed that...? Now TBDT: I already mentioned above that I generally prefer mature and rather dark sounding songs as I just find them more relatable. TBDT isn't that at all. TBDT is fun and pink and perfect for jumping up and down in joy while screaming the lyrics. It's what I did back when I was 10 years old. I loved TBDT back then. Now I grew out of it. I dunno, I guess I just became a lot more serious... Now, TBDT, in fact that whole pop-punk genre, is too chaotic for my taste. I just don't like these for that genre typical kind of melodies, I find then kinda annoying and childish. Nor do I like TBDT's bratty attitude. I don't like Avril's voice much either, it's too high-pitched. The lyrics are definitely good, but I just can't really relate to any of those songs. In fact, the only things I still really like about this record are the aggression, the production, and the heavy drums. Apart from that, it's simply not my taste. But looking at it as objectively as I can, it's certainly a very, very good record in that genre, and I can understand why some people love it. So, to summarize it all: I personally like UMS the most, whereas the only one of Avril's records I like less than TBDT is AL5. That's MY SUBJECTIVE OPINION. Trying to look at it as objectively as possible (like someone who simply doesn't care about Avril probably would), I'd say AL5 is one of Avril's worse albums, mainly because of the production. UMS and TBDT can both share #1 (with LG). In the end, it's just a matter of personal taste. Though I gotta admit, it kind of breaks my heart when I read such harsh things as "UMS is her worst album, period." But people don’t accept personal opinion, if isn’t a hit it’s terrible. If critics didn’t say it’s good then it’s not good ahaha I really liked the way you wrote it and yeah I agree with you
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Post by rocket32 on Sept 4, 2018 19:26:35 GMT
For me I have to say LG is my favorite a bit ahead of UMS for me because LG is the album with my favorite Avril songs, Sk8er Boi, Complicated, I’m With You, Losing My Grip. I love both albums though.
My ranking from best to worst LG UMS TBDT GL AL.
Her image/style during the LG era is also my favorite of all the eras. I’m not one of those people that hates on everything she does after UMS though, I do like all of her music. I’ve seen some people say TBDT isn’t pop and is actually pop punk but I don’t really agree with that. Surprised to see a few people totally ripping UMS, most Avril fans seem to like it.
I might be a bit biased towards LG and UMS because normally I don’t care for pop music, especially mainstream pop. Avril is pretty much the only pop artist I listen too and like. I listen to 2000’s pop music playlists sometimes but that’s pretty much it for me. I like some early 2010’s pop songs as well but I don’t go out of my way to listen to new pop music.
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Post by Tyrion123 on Sept 4, 2018 20:55:37 GMT
My favourite album is Goodbye Lullaby. I don't understand why people don't like this that much. There's WTH and Smile (amazing pop songs tho) but it's such a beautiful and soft album. UMS aged badly, but it's still a great album. TBDT is great despite it has I Don't Have To Try (the worst song of her career) but it has her best ballads (WYG, Innocence, I Will Be and KHO). Let Go is nice but I don't use it that much (it contains I'm With You, the best song ever created ). Avril Lavigne turns better or worst depending of my mood, but I don't think it's a bad album. It has great bops and great ballads. However, AL6 is coming to snatch our wigs and place itself in the top of her career.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Sept 5, 2018 1:38:14 GMT
I've already said my thoughts on this, however I have to point out that the original poll questions asks which album is her best, not necessarily our favorite. So objectively speaking, that could change a lot of our answers. I mean whatever your favorite album is isn't necessarily her best and vice versa.
if I had to speak objectively about what I think her best album is, my answer would still be Let Go. Not because it happens to be my favorite but if we are talking about the album with the most consistency, best written lyrics, a good variety in types of songs (theme, content, tempo), strong production value, good vocals, album artwork... I think Let Go takes the cake.
Under My Skin has good production and good vocals but lacks in variety. The lyrics lack in some songs. The album itself doesn't really age well.
The Best Damn Thing also lacks in variety for the most part, even though I prefer upbeat songs, but there are a lot of them and there aren't many ballads. The image is very bratty. Her vocals are probably the worst of any album she's put out. Some of the lyrics are obviously immature.
Goodbye Lullaby, as I already mentioned, lacks in variety. Weak production IMO, lot of poorly written lyrics. Lacks a bit in consistency because of the Max Martin songs.
Avril Lavigne has lots of variety but none of the songs really fit well together or flow together. The production is hit and miss. Same with the lyrics, some good, some bad. Album artwork doesn't suit most of the songs and is considered to be the worst album cover by most fans.
Let Go, on the other hand, I think has a good balance of all these qualities. Her vocals are good IMO, even if they are autotuned and polished up a bit and she sounds "young." I have always liked her voice on this album. The artwork suits it very well I think. The lyrics of course weren't really written by her that much, but they are easily the most polished and professional lyrics on any of her albums. There is a good variety of songs but they all fit well together without any of them sounding out of place. The production is simple but timeless IMO. It doesn't seem to age as badly as albums like UMS or TBDT. There is nothing too "in your face" or over the line with this album. The production suits the songs. Let Go happens to be the album she was least involved in and yet has arguably the strongest lyrics and highest quality album she's ever released. None of her subsequent albums really lived up to that IMO. Coincidence? Probably not. Hence why I think Let Go is probably objectively her "best" album. She had the most amount of professional help on it.
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Post by The Ramonas on Sept 5, 2018 1:59:14 GMT
How Does It Feel, WHO Knows, Nobody's Home, Together, Forgotten are anything but childish and lazy. What the heck.. I am small and the world is big. She wants to go home But nobody’s home They’re lazy. And I’m not dissing her; UMS is in my top 3.
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Post by biggerwow on Sept 5, 2018 3:53:26 GMT
TBDT The sound of this album is literally the best damn thing. The guitar, the drums, the piano, the composition is incredible. It's fun and soft at the same time. Has some of her best ballads and good songs to rock out to. It may be bratty but the overall album is some of her best work.
UMS Honestly, I thought it was my favorite album for a long time. But it does get tiring to listen to when I'm not in the mood. Has some of her best rock songs. Though it sounds a little uneven; should have left off two of the softer songs and went for the a few more upbeat songs. Nevertheless, this album has some of her best songs.
LG Most say UMS did not age well, maybe they're right but LG didn't either. If it wasn't for her OG hits (which are still her best songs to this day) this album would not be in this spot. I LOVE her voice on this album too. It is the best part of LG alongside her hit songs.
AL If it wasn't for the unnecessary electronic additions to her voice, the beats in the songs that should have been played with only real instruments, and her desire to keep playing the girl who doesn't want to grow up already this album could have been great.
GL It is too messy. Some songs were obviously written to be radio singles. Yet none of them really fit the trend at the time. I really enjoy the songs on this album but there are no songs that stand out on this album.
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Post by nosyhobbit on Sept 5, 2018 4:44:14 GMT
For me I have to say LG is my favorite a bit ahead of UMS for me because LG is the album with my favorite Avril songs, Sk8er Boi, Complicated, I’m With You, Losing My Grip. I love both albums though. My ranking from best to worst LG UMS TBDT GL AL. Her image/style during the LG era is also my favorite of all the eras. I’m not one of those people that hates on everything she does after UMS though, I do like all of her music. I’ve seen some people say TBDT isn’t pop and is actually pop punk but I don’t really agree with that. Surprised to see a few people totally ripping UMS, most Avril fans seem to like it. I might be a bit biased towards LG and UMS because normally I don’t care for pop music, especially mainstream pop. Avril is pretty much the only pop artist I listen too and like. I listen to 2000’s pop music playlists sometimes but that’s pretty much it for me. I like some early 2010’s pop songs as well but I don’t go out of my way to listen to new pop music. Same ranking for me. there isn't an album of hers that I dislike, and AL is last because I skip about half of the songs on it at least. About half the time I skip RNR and HTNGU, and I never skip LMG, GYWYL, HH or FF. Those songs are some of the strongest of her career. I would argue that GYWYL is her most mature in terms of vocals and general composition. However, LG takes the cake as an album. I can listen front to back and love every minute, and as I've grown from the 8 year old I was in 2003, the album continues to age very well. It has helped me through some hard times when I needed to find myself again.
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Post by Sarah93 on Sept 5, 2018 7:09:46 GMT
My album ranking is:
Let Go without a doubt. It's a timeless album. It has her best songs, and those songs are timeless. Yes, it is the album where she was less involved in the process, but it's the album that started it all and with the best lyrics in my opinion.
The Best Damn Thing is place 2. Yes, the image and lyrics content isn't great, her bratty image and all weren't the best. But it is her one and only real pop-punk album, if you take off the lyrics and listen to only the music you can clearly hear Sum 41/Blink 182 influence, with the same chord progression. Beside the bratty image and the entire album was never meant to be meaningful but always as fun, and I enjoyed it a lot back then. It is also the album with her one and only #1 single Girlfriend. Sadly this album got his bad side too, which was that after it, every label and producer that worked with Avril tried to create a part 2 of it.
Under My Skin is place 3. I really like this album, but I need to be in the mood to listen to it. It has some great songs, and even if some songs aren't super mature, we have to consider that she was still really young and it includes songs like Don't Tell Me that are about pushing away a guy who's forcing you into it, something you never hear in songs these days, or Nobody's Home which is about how she was trying to help a friend who was lost, and then you have empowering songs like Freak Out, or great ballads like Forgotten. It's a great mix, but again, I need to be in the mood to listen to it, which is why it's place 3 for me.
Goodbye Lullaby is place 4. I really like this album, I love the singles 'cause they're fun and they balance the moodier rest of the album. I really love Everybody Hurts and Push, and the ballad Remember When. It does have some potential songs, but in over all, as someone's already said, the songs seem to be the same for the same chord progression of every song, and really basic production and lyrics for most of the songs.
Avril Lavigne is last place for me. Yes, it does have some great songs, but the overlook in general is of a super messy album without consistency. Beside its cover is considered by most fans, including me, the worst cover.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Sept 5, 2018 12:21:40 GMT
How Does It Feel, WHO Knows, Nobody's Home, Together, Forgotten are anything but childish and lazy. What the heck.. I am small and the world is big. She wants to go home But nobody’s home They’re lazy. And I’m not dissing her; UMS is in my top 3. Don't forget this gem: "I miss you, I miss you so bad. I don't forget you, oh it's so sad." I don't think she was being lazy, but more like just an inexperienced songwriter. I find it interesting that her selfwritten songs on UMS actually seem to have better lyrics than some of the ones she CO-WROTE with Chantal. I have always hated that line "I am small and the world is big too" and someone once told me she said in an interview that Chantal wrote that, so who knows, maybe some of the bad lyrics were written by Chantal lol Honestly I would rather have a well written "stupid" lyric like "I hate it when a guy doesn't understand why a certain time of month I don't want to hold his hand." It's funny and actually pretty clever, especially because Avril usually writes such simple and kind of dull, uninteresting lyrics. I'd rather have that than a poorly written "mature" lyric. :eyeroll: I have never understood why fans say UMS is a "mature" album either. Sure, it's not as immature as TBDT or WTH/HTNGU/RNR/HK, but I wouldn't say it was all that mature either. I think GL is probably her most "mature" album because she recognized the relationship ending because they were just 2 different people who grew up, it wasn't necessarily anyone's fault, and I think that's a more mature perspective to have than "He forgot about what I wanted, he wasn't what I wanted, what I thought no, he wouldn't even open the door!!!!" UMS just as much a teen angst album as any of her others.
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Post by The Ramonas on Sept 6, 2018 0:26:42 GMT
I am small and the world is big. She wants to go home But nobody’s home They’re lazy. And I’m not dissing her; UMS is in my top 3. Don't forget this gem: "I miss you, I miss you so bad. I don't forget you, oh it's so sad." I don't think she was being lazy, but more like just an inexperienced songwriter. I find it interesting that her selfwritten songs on UMS actually seem to have better lyrics than some of the ones she CO-WROTE with Chantal. I have always hated that line "I am small and the world is big too" and someone once told me she said in an interview that Chantal wrote that, so who knows, maybe some of the bad lyrics were written by Chantal lol Honestly I would rather have a well written "stupid" lyric like "I hate it when a guy doesn't understand why a certain time of month I don't want to hold his hand." It's funny and actually pretty clever, especially because Avril usually writes such simple and kind of dull, uninteresting lyrics. I'd rather have that than a poorly written "mature" lyric. :eyeroll: I have never understood why fans say UMS is a "mature" album either. Sure, it's not as immature as TBDT or WTH/HTNGU/RNR/HK, but I wouldn't say it was all that mature either. I think GL is probably her most "mature" album because she recognized the relationship ending because they were just 2 different people who grew up, it wasn't necessarily anyone's fault, and I think that's a more mature perspective to have than "He forgot about what I wanted, he wasn't what I wanted, what I thought no, he wouldn't even open the door!!!!" UMS just as much a teen angst album as any of her others. UMS was glorious [to me] back then because I was an angsty teenager. But now... I just don’t think it’s brilliant anymore, but I still enjoy the music. And I agree with the GL part, except for ILY, WTH, Smile, Black Star (even the titles are generic lol)... She’s never been consistent. Let Go has mature moments and childish moments; UMS is her most cohesive album, at least in production, TBDT has her best ballads, some fun songs (which didn’t feel forced), GL seems like two completely different projects merged together, and AL is just a mess with some (4) amazing tracks where she really showcased her talent.
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Post by tubonjics1 on Sept 6, 2018 4:16:15 GMT
I hope AL6 becomes her best.
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Post by ShiningStar_x on Sept 6, 2018 6:48:31 GMT
I am small and the world is big. She wants to go home But nobody’s home They’re lazy. And I’m not dissing her; UMS is in my top 3. Don't forget this gem: "I miss you, I miss you so bad. I don't forget you, oh it's so sad." I don't think she was being lazy, but more like just an inexperienced songwriter. I find it interesting that her selfwritten songs on UMS actually seem to have better lyrics than some of the ones she CO-WROTE with Chantal. I have always hated that line "I am small and the world is big too" and someone once told me she said in an interview that Chantal wrote that, so who knows, maybe some of the bad lyrics were written by Chantal lol Honestly I would rather have a well written "stupid" lyric like "I hate it when a guy doesn't understand why a certain time of month I don't want to hold his hand." It's funny and actually pretty clever, especially because Avril usually writes such simple and kind of dull, uninteresting lyrics. I'd rather have that than a poorly written "mature" lyric. :eyeroll: I have never understood why fans say UMS is a "mature" album either. Sure, it's not as immature as TBDT or WTH/HTNGU/RNR/HK, but I wouldn't say it was all that mature either. I think GL is probably her most "mature" album because she recognized the relationship ending because they were just 2 different people who grew up, it wasn't necessarily anyone's fault, and I think that's a more mature perspective to have than "He forgot about what I wanted, he wasn't what I wanted, what I thought no, he wouldn't even open the door!!!!" UMS just as much a teen angst album as any of her others. If you think all of her albums are just teen angst albums and your making fun of her lyrics and "gems" and putting RIP icons next to a lyric, then why are you even a member here if you think that low? Seriously you're making fun of her music more than what I've seen from an Avril Hater. The reason they sound very teenage angst like is not because they were written from Chantal its probably because Avril WAS a teenager when she wrote them. I remember reading once years ago Avril haters were making fun of how bad the lyrics from My World were, like the lyrics "So i braid my hair in a zillion braids" (a song from the album you think is lyrically the best) and how much they sucked. That was very hurtful because i loved Let Go. Now you are doing exactly the same thing just with another song. I'm not a fan of The Best Damn Thing, I dislike that album but I've never made fun of the lyrics. Her music is not a joke to me and none of the lyrics I think suck. So if you guys want to make fun of her music can you please do it somewhere else where people that respect Avril and her music aren't going to be offended?
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Post by BogoGog24 on Sept 6, 2018 12:02:28 GMT
Don't forget this gem: "I miss you, I miss you so bad. I don't forget you, oh it's so sad." I don't think she was being lazy, but more like just an inexperienced songwriter. I find it interesting that her selfwritten songs on UMS actually seem to have better lyrics than some of the ones she CO-WROTE with Chantal. I have always hated that line "I am small and the world is big too" and someone once told me she said in an interview that Chantal wrote that, so who knows, maybe some of the bad lyrics were written by Chantal lol Honestly I would rather have a well written "stupid" lyric like "I hate it when a guy doesn't understand why a certain time of month I don't want to hold his hand." It's funny and actually pretty clever, especially because Avril usually writes such simple and kind of dull, uninteresting lyrics. I'd rather have that than a poorly written "mature" lyric. :eyeroll: I have never understood why fans say UMS is a "mature" album either. Sure, it's not as immature as TBDT or WTH/HTNGU/RNR/HK, but I wouldn't say it was all that mature either. I think GL is probably her most "mature" album because she recognized the relationship ending because they were just 2 different people who grew up, it wasn't necessarily anyone's fault, and I think that's a more mature perspective to have than "He forgot about what I wanted, he wasn't what I wanted, what I thought no, he wouldn't even open the door!!!!" UMS just as much a teen angst album as any of her others. If you think all of her albums are just teen angst albums and your making fun of her lyrics and "gems" and putting RIP icons next to a lyric, then why are you even a member here if you think that low? Seriously you're making fun of her music more than what I've seen from an Avril Hater. The reason they sound very teenage angst like is not because they were written from Chantal its probably because Avril WAS a teenager when she wrote them. I remember reading once years ago Avril haters were making fun of how bad the lyrics from My World were, like the lyrics "So i braid my hair in a zillion braids" (a song from the album you think is lyrically the best) and how much they sucked. That was very hurtful because i loved Let Go. Now you are doing exactly the same thing just with another song. I'm not a fan of The Best Damn Thing, I dislike that album but I've never made fun of the lyrics. Her music is not a joke to me and none of the lyrics I think suck. So if you guys want to make fun of her music can you please do it somewhere else where people that respect Avril and her music aren't going to be offended? Oh I see you’re one of those people who thinks if you’re a fan, you have to like everything Avril does. Get over yourself, no one is “making fun” of her music. I like all of her music, even if there are particular albums, songs, or lyrics I don’t like as much. Not all of her music is good, no artist’s is. This is a forum for people to share opinions and you’re clearly too sensitive to handle it, so maybe you are the one who shouldn’t be on here. You’re always so rude to everyone here and I do not appreciate you accusing me of not being a fan or saying I shouldn’t be here because I happen to not like a few of her songs or lyrics. “Making fun?” Lol go on social media and you’ll see what real haters have to say. Lighten up.
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Post by sam on Sept 6, 2018 12:46:02 GMT
I’ll be keeping an eye on this thread - remember that all opinions here are to be respected, even if you disagree. Please keep the personal attacks out of it or i will be closing this thread.
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