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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 22:57:14 GMT
I mean over the long haul, not the quick spurt.
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Post by gabbox on Dec 16, 2018 23:12:32 GMT
What is synth pop ??
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Post by letsgoeevee on Dec 16, 2018 23:21:37 GMT
Synth-pop (also known as electropop or technopop) is a pop music genre that uses the synthesizer as the dominant musical instrument. With the genre becoming popular in the late 1970s and 1980s.
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Post by Blackarachnia on Dec 17, 2018 3:07:11 GMT
I’m still wary of this era... with the overproduction of HAW, conformity of TMIS, and the slew of mega pop producers/songwriters, I’m nervous this will turn out to be another messy pop mashup of assorted songs. I know a lot of people didn’t like Goodbye Lullaby, but excluding the Max Martin tracks (we all know they don’t belong on that album), the songs were all produced by rock producers. Same with Under My Skin. She doesn’t have that with this effort, so it could either be a repeat of AL5, or it could be magic in a bottle like Let Go. The singles also have me apprehensive... on one hand, I’m glad she’s only put out meaningful ballads so far. On the other hand, they’re no Complicated or Nobody’s Home. Head Above Water is super catchy, but with the two songs together I’m just not feeling anything... I’m bored. Maybe I need to hear the entire body of work together, but I’m not jazzed like I was with Complicated/Sk8er Boi or Don’t Tell Me/My Happy Ending... I’m really hoping for another Wish You Were Here/Everybody Hurts moment 🤞🏿😬 I feel the same as I did when HTNGU came out... I wanted to like it as the melody and production were reminiscent to Complicated, but I just didn’t. Now I do like HAW, and TMIO has grown on me, but (I’ll be honest), I was more excited when Rock n’ Roll and Let Me Go came out more than I am with these. Eh, LMG and HAW may be on the same level for me, but anyway... anybody else just feeling lukewarm about everything? I feel the same way about the cover... it feels like a cross between UMS and GL, but with all the terrible editing and nudity, I just don’t like it. Even though it’s her most interesting cover to date. I think Let Go’s is simpler, but it just looks better
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 17, 2018 3:22:27 GMT
What I’m going to say may be an unpopular opinion but I think especially TMIO is not only one of the most mature singles she’s put out in a long time, but it’s also one of the most musically sophisticated, if that makes sense. I’m sure pop/rock will always be part of her sound but it’s time to get over that phase. Clearly Avril is ready to move on to other sounds and this isn’t 2004/2007 anymore. She has matured. When she was a teen all she listened to was punk pop bands like Green Day and Blink-182. Now she listens to Frank Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald. She is a grown woman with a more sophisticated palate at this point. I think HAW and TMIO are far more promising efforts than another Complicated/MHE/RNR/generic ballads with no lyrical depth like WYWH and EH. Those kinds of songs were fine when she was a teen and twenty-something who had minimal musical knowledge and life experience. But now that she’s over 30 and has been through a lot, it’s appropriate at this point for her taste to change and for her to grow musically. Most of her fans listen to rock, punk, or pop/rock, metal, etc. So it’s not surprising that they aren’t catching on to her new gospel/Motown/blues/jazz sound. But I do think it’s something her fans should try to accept and give it a fair chance.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 3:48:42 GMT
I’m still wary of this era... with the overproduction of HAW, conformity of TMIS, and the slew of mega pop producers/songwriters, I’m nervous this will turn out to be another messy pop mashup of assorted songs. I know a lot of people didn’t like Goodbye Lullaby, but excluding the Max Martin tracks (we all know they don’t belong on that album), the songs were all produced by rock producers. Same with Under My Skin. She doesn’t have that with this effort, so it could either be a repeat of AL5, or it could be magic in a bottle like Let Go. The singles also have me apprehensive... on one hand, I’m glad she’s only put out meaningful ballads so far. On the other hand, they’re no Complicated or Nobody’s Home. Head Above Water is super catchy, but with the two songs together I’m just not feeling anything... I’m bored. Maybe I need to hear the entire body of work together, but I’m not jazzed like I was with Complicated/Sk8er Boi or Don’t Tell Me/My Happy Ending... I’m really hoping for another Wish You Were Here/Everybody Hurts moment 🤞🏿😬 I feel the same as I did when HTNGU came out... I wanted to like it as the melody and production were reminiscent to Complicated, but I just didn’t. Now I do like HAW, and TMIO has grown on me, but (I’ll be honest), I was more excited when Rock n’ Roll and Let Me Go came out more than I am with these. Eh, LMG and HAW may be on the same level for me, but anyway... anybody else just feeling lukewarm about everything? I feel the same way about the cover... it feels like a cross between UMS and GL, but with all the terrible editing and nudity, I just don’t like it. Even though it’s her most interesting cover to date. I think Let Go’s is simpler, but it just looks better Perhaps you’re lackadaisical about the whole thing ‘cause you are a lot older than when Complicated came out? Either way, that was a well written critique and you make some good points.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 3:50:33 GMT
What I’m going to say may be an unpopular opinion but I think especially TMIO is not only one of the most mature singles she’s put out in a long time, but it’s also one of the most musically sophisticated, if that makes sense. I’m sure pop/rock will always be part of her sound but it’s time to get over that phase. Clearly Avril is ready to move on to other sounds and this isn’t 2004/2007 anymore. She has matured. When she was a teen all she listened to was punk pop bands like Green Day and Blink-182. Now she listens to Frank Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald. She is a grown woman with a more sophisticated palate at this point. I think HAW and TMIO are far more promising efforts than another Complicated/MHE/RNR/generic ballads with no lyrical depth like WYWH and EH. Those kinds of songs were fine when she was a teen and twenty-something who had minimal musical knowledge and life experience. But now that she’s over 30 and has been through a lot, it’s appropriate at this point for her taste to change and for her to grow musically. Most of her fans listen to rock, punk, or pop/rock, metal, etc. So it’s not surprising that they aren’t catching on to her new gospel/Motown/blues/jazz sound. But I do think it’s something her fans should try to accept and give it a fair chance. Bo, I’ve been out of the loop, are the good folk of BA not feeling this era, in general?
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Post by biggerwow on Dec 17, 2018 4:59:17 GMT
I understand both points of view ^. The being wary of this album considering the alleged music genres that were posted on here and the producers/writers involved in the process of this album. We really don't know how this album will sound. Avril said she'll be going back to her roots yet we've been seeing and maybe hearing (TMIO) differently. I have to disagree though in that HAW was overproduced. I think it produced well and it sounds modern. Also I hope we get the opposite of WYWH, that song is such a generic pop song. I like it but there's literally two other songs by different artists that sound just like it. It also doesn't fit in with today's music as much asTMIO does. TMIO would be playing well on the radio if Avril wasn't such a pariah in today's music imo. I'm very happy with the sound of TMIO. It's modern with a touch of old school. It's something different from what we've heard of her. It's something I've personally been waiting for. Change is scary and difficult (Hello Kitty) but I think she's finally going in the direction I had hoped for. Something I've said countless times on here is that Avril needs to sound modern. She also needs to evolve which imho she hasn't done since TBDT. GL & AL had her typical sound but it sounded outdated (not all songs on AL tho). If I wasn't an Avril fan I probably would have moved on already. Blackarachnia you may be bored with what Av is releasing now but I was bored 2 albums ago with her outdated sound (that sounded mean, i didn't mean to be . \ Anyways, I wish she'd give a description of the album again. Was it a year ago when she said she was going back to her roots this album? Like does she mean guitar/piano driven or gospel or country or pop rock? Idk but all this info and theories going around leaves me dizzy and confused. Or does she mean using her incredible voice again. I think her voice in both HAW and TMIO has been amazing. She's definitely using it which makes me excited to listen to the new songs.
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Post by Blackarachnia on Dec 17, 2018 5:19:41 GMT
What I’m going to say may be an unpopular opinion but I think especially TMIO is not only one of the most mature singles she’s put out in a long time, but it’s also one of the most musically sophisticated, if that makes sense. I’m sure pop/rock will always be part of her sound but it’s time to get over that phase. Clearly Avril is ready to move on to other sounds and this isn’t 2004/2007 anymore. She has matured. When she was a teen all she listened to was punk pop bands like Green Day and Blink-182. Now she listens to Frank Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald. She is a grown woman with a more sophisticated palate at this point. I think HAW and TMIO are far more promising efforts than another Complicated/MHE/RNR/generic ballads with no lyrical depth like WYWH and EH. Those kinds of songs were fine when she was a teen and twenty-something who had minimal musical knowledge and life experience. But now that she’s over 30 and has been through a lot, it’s appropriate at this point for her taste to change and for her to grow musically. Most of her fans listen to rock, punk, or pop/rock, metal, etc. So it’s not surprising that they aren’t catching on to her new gospel/Motown/blues/jazz sound. But I do think it’s something her fans should try to accept and give it a fair chance. I’ve been wanting her to dabble in jazz, country, and blues since 2015... it’s not the genre of music that makes a good song, it’s the energy. There’s just something missing in these new singles that was also missing in HTNGU... has nothing to do with what type of music she chooses to create. And I would hardly consider TMIO deep... it’s a generic break up song. She’s 34 and still singing about that crap. HAW, different story. But you can’t say TMIO is deeper than Not Enough without sounding biased, since that was about the divorce she went through an entire decade prior... The subject matter for HAW is definitely elevated, but the construction of the song is no better than anything else she’s released. TMIO has great musicality, but terrible lyrics.
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Post by Tyrion123 on Dec 17, 2018 9:38:59 GMT
What I’m going to say may be an unpopular opinion but I think especially TMIO is not only one of the most mature singles she’s put out in a long time, but it’s also one of the most musically sophisticated, if that makes sense. I’m sure pop/rock will always be part of her sound but it’s time to get over that phase. Clearly Avril is ready to move on to other sounds and this isn’t 2004/2007 anymore. She has matured. When she was a teen all she listened to was punk pop bands like Green Day and Blink-182. Now she listens to Frank Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald. She is a grown woman with a more sophisticated palate at this point. I think HAW and TMIO are far more promising efforts than another Complicated/MHE/RNR/generic ballads with no lyrical depth like WYWH and EH. Those kinds of songs were fine when she was a teen and twenty-something who had minimal musical knowledge and life experience. But now that she’s over 30 and has been through a lot, it’s appropriate at this point for her taste to change and for her to grow musically. Most of her fans listen to rock, punk, or pop/rock, metal, etc. So it’s not surprising that they aren’t catching on to her new gospel/Motown/blues/jazz sound. But I do think it’s something her fans should try to accept and give it a fair chance. I’ve been wanting her to dabble in jazz, country, and blues since 2015... it’s not the genre of music that makes a good song, it’s the energy. There’s just something missing in these new singles that was also missing in HTNGU... has nothing to do with what type of music she chooses to create. And I would hardly consider TMIO deep... it’s a generic break up song. She’s 34 and still singing about that crap. HAW, different story. But you can’t say TMIO is deeper than Not Enough without sounding biased, since that was about the divorce she went through an entire decade prior... The subject matter for HAW is definitely elevated, but the construction of the song is no better than anything else she’s released. TMIO has great musicality, but terrible lyrics. Wtf. You are talking like she was 80 years old. Madonna, Mariah, Celine and Kylie keep talking about that “crap” and I don’t see anything wrong with that.
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Post by letsgoeevee on Dec 17, 2018 12:27:05 GMT
All im wondering is wheres the Dubstep?? XD XD
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Post by heaven on Dec 17, 2018 12:27:23 GMT
What I’m going to say may be an unpopular opinion but I think especially TMIO is not only one of the most mature singles she’s put out in a long time, but it’s also one of the most musically sophisticated, if that makes sense. I’m sure pop/rock will always be part of her sound but it’s time to get over that phase. Clearly Avril is ready to move on to other sounds and this isn’t 2004/2007 anymore. She has matured. When she was a teen all she listened to was punk pop bands like Green Day and Blink-182. Now she listens to Frank Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald. She is a grown woman with a more sophisticated palate at this point. I think HAW and TMIO are far more promising efforts than another Complicated/MHE/RNR/generic ballads with no lyrical depth like WYWH and EH. Those kinds of songs were fine when she was a teen and twenty-something who had minimal musical knowledge and life experience. But now that she’s over 30 and has been through a lot, it’s appropriate at this point for her taste to change and for her to grow musically. Most of her fans listen to rock, punk, or pop/rock, metal, etc. So it’s not surprising that they aren’t catching on to her new gospel/Motown/blues/jazz sound. But I do think it’s something her fans should try to accept and give it a fair chance. I’ve been wanting her to dabble in jazz, country, and blues since 2015... it’s not the genre of music that makes a good song, it’s the energy. There’s just something missing in these new singles that was also missing in HTNGU... has nothing to do with what type of music she chooses to create. And I would hardly consider TMIO deep... it’s a generic break up song. She’s 34 and still singing about that crap. HAW, different story. But you can’t say TMIO is deeper than Not Enough without sounding biased, since that was about the divorce she went through an entire decade prior... The subject matter for HAW is definitely elevated, but the construction of the song is no better than anything else she’s released. TMIO has great musicality, but terrible lyrics. I just wish that someday people wouldn't see break-up or love songs like crap. Love is, maybe, the most important feeling in the world? That happen to every people? You should understand that love is a very vast theme to talk about, love makes you feel different things.. So it's not crap. Where is the difference between Not Enough and Tell Me It's Over? Well, they talk about 2 different things: Not Enough talks about Avril saying to her ex that he hasn't done enough for her, in the other one she talks about how she wishes to go over him, but she is still connected with the man. Not Enough has vague and basic lyrics, the other one doesn't. I'm so tired of the people thinking that talking about love is not mature, while talking about social things is superior. Just stop it, it's not the theme that make the song generic or not, it's the way you talk about it. She could have made every upbeat song from GL to the self titled mature and great, but she chose to make them so immature and childsh. Here's To Never Growing Up is generic because they wrote it like that: it doesn't say anything, it's empty..look at Never Grow Up by Taylor: same theme, but 2 different ways of making it. Talking about sex is not vulgar if you do it like she did with Give You What You Like. On the other hand, you can bring a very important theme and make it stupid. It's always how you write the song. I wish people would understand this.
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Post by firdaus92 on Dec 17, 2018 12:41:05 GMT
I get it, some of us hate her because of the different route she's going based on the 2 singles. She moved on from her motherfucking princess swearing era/phase, and I hope all of us can move on as well. I'm totally fine with it, in fact, I love it! No matter what she's going to release, there's always some who love it and some who don't. That's life, we can't satisfy everyone. I always wanted her to discover/try something new, because I love to try something new.
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Post by Sara on Dec 17, 2018 13:02:04 GMT
I myself a pop/rock person, but I like also listening to other genres, especially blues. It's true, pop/rock will always be part of Avril's music, but it's right for her as artist after almost twenty years of career, to experiment something different. However, I'm sure there will be some rock song on the new record, but I'm also too curious to listen the other tracks with different genres either.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 17, 2018 13:07:31 GMT
What I’m going to say may be an unpopular opinion but I think especially TMIO is not only one of the most mature singles she’s put out in a long time, but it’s also one of the most musically sophisticated, if that makes sense. I’m sure pop/rock will always be part of her sound but it’s time to get over that phase. Clearly Avril is ready to move on to other sounds and this isn’t 2004/2007 anymore. She has matured. When she was a teen all she listened to was punk pop bands like Green Day and Blink-182. Now she listens to Frank Sinatra and Ella Fitzgerald. She is a grown woman with a more sophisticated palate at this point. I think HAW and TMIO are far more promising efforts than another Complicated/MHE/RNR/generic ballads with no lyrical depth like WYWH and EH. Those kinds of songs were fine when she was a teen and twenty-something who had minimal musical knowledge and life experience. But now that she’s over 30 and has been through a lot, it’s appropriate at this point for her taste to change and for her to grow musically. Most of her fans listen to rock, punk, or pop/rock, metal, etc. So it’s not surprising that they aren’t catching on to her new gospel/Motown/blues/jazz sound. But I do think it’s something her fans should try to accept and give it a fair chance. I’ve been wanting her to dabble in jazz, country, and blues since 2015... it’s not the genre of music that makes a good song, it’s the energy. There’s just something missing in these new singles that was also missing in HTNGU... has nothing to do with what type of music she chooses to create. And I would hardly consider TMIO deep... it’s a generic break up song. She’s 34 and still singing about that crap. HAW, different story. But you can’t say TMIO is deeper than Not Enough without sounding biased, since that was about the divorce she went through an entire decade prior... The subject matter for HAW is definitely elevated, but the construction of the song is no better than anything else she’s released. TMIO has great musicality, but terrible lyrics. I didn’t say anything about the lyrics, I just said musically it’s one of the most sophisticated things she’s put out because of its throwback sound. In a million years, I’m sure none of us thought she’d put out a song like this. As I said, I think it’s a sound most of her fans don’t normally listen to. As far as energy goes, she doesn’t represent the song well in the music video. But she sings it on the recording just fine.
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