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Post by Erik on Feb 11, 2019 18:28:16 GMT
WITH ALL MY RESPECT I don't understand this post. I mean, this is a forum, people will talk, people will always have an opinion. I understand that you had to make rules, but some of them are really unnecessary. I get it, if the album leaks, you don't want to if anybody will share the links in the forum. But via PM? Why not? I said this, but if someone wants to buy the album will buy it anyway. I'm not sure if we really need moderators or not. For me it seems also unnecessary. What I can really understand is the yesterday drama over here with the unreleased songs. Like, a person has it, if someone or some people (including me) wants to collect money and buy it, why the hell not? Maybe these songs will never see the light, and we are courious about them. Also the snippet fiasco, really??? These are just 15 sec snippets, recorded via a stupid phone. Also, if you fed up with people who violated the forum rules what you made up, and then harassing you via PM, WHY YOU DON'T BAN THEM OR GIVE THEM A WARNING? I had a breakdown and I got a 2 weeks ban for that.......... You can ban me for haveing a bad moment then you can easily ban other members also. I really hope you guys wont shut down the forum because YOU want to leave.
I'm pretty sure everything will be OK after the album release tho.
I completely agree with you about us not taking action as much as we could of - that’s absolutely a mistake I am willing to own up to. It may sound silly but part of it is fear and how we are perceived. We’ve never wanted to be viewed as a draconian staff team whom bans members all of the time, but, obviously there is a trade off with that. In hindsight we should of been more strict and I’m sorry. The PM thing is simply because PB (and only PB) can view them. It’s simply us covering all of our bases just in case. I mean you are the moderations, why you should care about that? If someone is violating the rules (I'll still sticking up with my opinion that sharing snippets are nothing),then yeah... BAN THEIR ASSES lol. They will survive. The 2 weeks away from this forum when I got banned actually did good for me.
About the new memebers. If I would be a new memeber, an Avril fansite would be the LAST option I would do for find the album leak lol
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Post by Erik on Feb 11, 2019 18:28:43 GMT
To add on to what I said before, I’m not sure about everyone else but I would much rather see the staff enforce the rules in a more strict manner and take more severe action faster against disrespectful and toxic people then see the staff leave and close down the forum. ok, but they have to chose the good rules and the stupid ones.
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Post by sam on Feb 11, 2019 18:30:35 GMT
I completely agree with you about us not taking action as much as we could of - that’s absolutely a mistake I am willing to own up to. It may sound silly but part of it is fear and how we are perceived. We’ve never wanted to be viewed as a draconian staff team whom bans members all of the time, but, obviously there is a trade off with that. In hindsight we should of been more strict and I’m sorry. The PM thing is simply because PB (and only PB) can view them. It’s simply us covering all of our bases just in case. I mean you are the moderations, why you should care about that? If someone is violating the rules (I'll still sticking up with my opinion that sharing snippets are nothing),then yeah... BAN THEIR ASSES lol. They will survive. The 2 weeks away from this forum when I got banned actually did good for me.
About the new memebers. If I would be a new memeber, an Avril fansite would be the LAST option I would do for find the album leak lol Because of who we are as people. I’ve been on many forums where the mods don’t give a shit what people think of them, but we do. Still, it creates issues like this and we absolutely could of banned them. We have been too lenient and I fully accept that
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Post by RIQUI on Feb 11, 2019 18:31:14 GMT
Is it possible to blacklist sites that are not approved? Automatically removing posts with shady links that directs to leaks, seem like it would make enforcing the rules much easier.
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Post by sam on Feb 11, 2019 18:32:58 GMT
Is it possible to blacklist sites that are not approved? Automatically removing posts with shady links that directs to leaks, seem like it would make enforcing the rules much easier. Unfortunately no. There is a censored word system but that would be impractical due to the nature of links
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Post by Erik on Feb 11, 2019 18:34:08 GMT
I mean you are the moderations, why you should care about that? If someone is violating the rules (I'll still sticking up with my opinion that sharing snippets are nothing),then yeah... BAN THEIR ASSES lol. They will survive. The 2 weeks away from this forum when I got banned actually did good for me.
About the new memebers. If I would be a new memeber, an Avril fansite would be the LAST option I would do for find the album leak lol Because of who we are as people. I’ve been on many forums where the mods don’t give a shit what people think of them, but we do. Still, it creates issues like this and we absolutely could of banned them. We have been too lenient and I fully accept that Well, if I were you, I would give out one warning in PM, and then if it wont stop, then BAN. That is all. I cant say more.
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Post by Amanda on Feb 11, 2019 18:37:29 GMT
Also — if we would decide after this week to keep the forum and make a new group of staff etc, the question is probably also who would want to join. As far as I know from have talked to the previous staff, there’s not a lot of interest in that. I’m wondering if that’s just because simply not being interested in it, or any other reasons. It would be good to clear all possible issues out for once before a possible restart.
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Post by RIQUI on Feb 11, 2019 18:41:30 GMT
I do think rules should be enforced stricter if mods want to prevent sharing of leaked content, at the end of the day rules are rules.
But I don't agree with the closing down of a whole album thread just because there were a few bad apples, as every other user had been negativity effected,just a thought.
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Post by sliperslip on Feb 11, 2019 18:49:07 GMT
Two years ago I told you guys aka staff that you guys will crush the forum in 2-3 years, funny how non of you stuff members, can see what is wrong with your behavior, and for you to be here,saying that you guys will close the fourm, cuz of people, I'm sorry but how dare you? People are tired of sucking your dicks, of your double standarts and of your dragging memebers. And you still are here saying that is members foult, it's not!! Own up your actions instead of blaming pepople for your fail. None of you 13 staff members know how to run things, that's why forum it is how it is, most of staff mambers are nothing but group of ingorant judgmental bullies who are running forum for wrong reasons. You brought one of the greates forums among all fandoms, so down. Shame on you! Don't you EVER, EVER dare to blame people for what is happening!! That's why forum is crushing, instead of taking your repsonisbilites for what you did to peopole and forum, you are here blaming others?!? DON't YOU EVER. If you can't see why forum is going down, maybe is time for you guys to leave it. And for you to try guilt trip people into thinkig that's their foult, can see that you become even more manipulative.
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Post by slapstick on Feb 11, 2019 18:49:50 GMT
Also — if we would decide after this week to keep the forum and make a new group of staff etc, the question is probably also who would want to join. As far as I know from have talked to the previous staff, there’s not a lot of interest in that. I’m wondering if that’s just because simply not being interested in it, or any other reasons. It would be good to clear all possible issues out for once before a possible restart. A question - how many of y'all are active as 'supervisors'? How much time do you spend on mod/admin duties a day/week? Secondly - what's the point of having the option of shutting off the forum on the table? If its closed, its closed, and folks wont come here any more, so in that case might as well keep it open, in the worst case it'll get shut down either way.
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Post by katy on Feb 11, 2019 18:54:56 GMT
Two years ago I told you guys aka staff that you guys will crush the forum in 2-3 years, funny how non of you stuff members, can see what is wrong with your behavior, and for you to be here,saying that you guys will close the fourm, cuz of people, I'm sorry but how dare you? People are tired of sucking your dicks, of your double standarts and of your dragging memebers. And you still are here saying that is members foult, it's not!! Own up your actions instead of blaming pepople for your fail. None of you 13 staff members know how to run things, that's why forum it is how it is, most of staff mambers are nothing but group of ingorant judgmental bullies who are running forum for wrong reasons. You brought one of the greates forums among all fandoms, so down. Shame on you! Don't you EVER, EVER dare to blame people for what is happening!! That's why forum is crushing, instead of taking your repsonisbilites for what you did to peopole and forum, you are here blaming others?!? DON't YOU EVER. If you can't see why forum is going down, maybe is time for you guys to leave it. And for you to try guilt trip people into thinkig that's their foult, can see that you become even more manipulative. What on Earth? Were you on the old Bandaids at the end? Some of the staff made that a horrendous place to be, this place is a complete 360 in comparison.
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Post by Amanda on Feb 11, 2019 18:55:45 GMT
Also — if we would decide after this week to keep the forum and make a new group of staff etc, the question is probably also who would want to join. As far as I know from have talked to the previous staff, there’s not a lot of interest in that. I’m wondering if that’s just because simply not being interested in it, or any other reasons. It would be good to clear all possible issues out for once before a possible restart. A question - how many of y'all are active as 'supervisors'? How much time do you spend on mod/admin duties a day/week? Secondly - what's the point of having the option of shutting off the forum on the table? If its closed, its closed, and folks wont come here any more, so in that case might as well keep it open, in the worst case it'll get shut down either way. The shutting down option is since the staff has told me they no longer want to be staying, and I don’t really like the idea of a forum without any staff at all. Especially since pro boards has rules has to be followed etc etc. About administrator duties my task has been through the social media channels and not the forum in the recent years - but since major parts of the staff reported to me they’re leaving, I am willing to help and keep it running, but we of course would need a new staff. Cause if there’s no staff, there’s no way to run it. (In my eyes)
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Post by MPone01 on Feb 11, 2019 18:56:15 GMT
I've sent a personal message to Sarah who closed the thread. I was polite and humble as my education was built upon these characteristics. I think some people here could use a little bit more of those as well.
The closing of bandaids is indeed one of the saddest news as an Avril fan myself. Some have mentioned it already, but bandaids is THE fan site to everyone that likes Avril and since the very beginning.
People should honestly take it down a notch. Either members with lack of respect and some staff that may have abused their "power".
I suggest we try to find a balance here.
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Post by MPone01 on Feb 11, 2019 18:57:17 GMT
Plus this is the beginning of a new era and should definatly be a time to be together instead of fighting each other. Just saying.
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Post by sam on Feb 11, 2019 18:57:43 GMT
Two years ago I told you guys aka staff that you guys will crush the forum in 2-3 years, funny how non of you stuff members, can see what is wrong with your behavior, and for you to be here,saying that you guys will close the fourm, cuz of people, I'm sorry but how dare you? People are tired of sucking your dicks, of your double standarts and of your dragging memebers. And you still are here saying that is members foult, it's not!! Own up your actions instead of blaming pepople for your fail. None of you 13 staff members know how to run things, that's why forum it is how it is, most of staff mambers are nothing but group of ingorant judgmental bullies who are running forum for wrong reasons. You brought one of the greates forums among all fandoms, so down. Shame on you! Don't you EVER, EVER dare to blame people for what is happening!! That's why forum is crushing, instead of taking your repsonisbilites for what you did to peopole and forum, you are here blaming others?!? DON't YOU EVER. If you can't see why forum is going down, maybe is time for you guys to leave it. And for you to try guilt trip people into thinkig that's their foult, can see that you become even more manipulative. What on Earth? Were you on the old Bandaids at the end? Some of the staff made that a horrendous place to be, this place is a complete 360 in comparison. Nope. Sliper was part of a small discord group with Neil who started all this really weird - and extremely confusing- drama two summers ago. To this day we still don’t understand what we did wrong to any of them.
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