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Post by biggerwow on Apr 5, 2019 4:15:56 GMT
Like BogoGog24, I think Taylor Swift handles her career and relationship with her fanbase beautifully. And have also found myself appreciating other artists, like Carrie Underwood and Kelly Clarkson. I'm still not at the point of following every bit of their career as I do Avril but it's heading there. Carrie delivers that badass grown-up woman music with storytelling and adult topics. I actually never thought I'd be so into a country artist despite being pretty open with music genres. A little off topic but I think some country music today sounds a little like pop rock. Maybe Avril should have released those country songs? lmao I can imagine the horror on some of your faces considering the backlash to the soul-inspired tracks.
Anyways, I like what Kelly Clarkson did on Meaning of Life, it's a different sound for her. I saw an interview where she talked about the label restricting her to make pop rock music similar to Avril when she knew it wasn't what she really wanted. Then she finally finished her contract moving to another label where they let her do her thing and she came up with a pop/soul record. She seemed happy and energetic with her new music like she finally found herself as an artist. I really hoped Avril would do that with HAW but it still seems like she hasn't found her place. She hasn't evolved, not really. And it's something I've been waiting for a long time. I wish things were better for Avril and that her move to BMG could have helped her like it did KC.
I also think I have outgrown Avril despite still having an attachment to her that I doubt will ever go away. I became a fan during TBDT so I've only been around for the worst years of her career. And well I've had enough, I understand things are different now but there is no denying she's had so many chances to make her situation better but she keeps on dropping the ball. I don't get it. Why is she so complacent when it comes to her music career? At this point, I don't care about all the reasons/excuses many give her on here. I give her props for HAW but I still find myself straying from her. I am unhappy, disappointed with her (communication with the fans), and disillusioned by this era (performances). I hope things get better sxxn.
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Post by heaven on Apr 5, 2019 10:31:48 GMT
Lately Taylor Swift has been my go-to. Her lyrics are intelligent and poetic. Her shows are incredible and visually captivating. She speaks so eloquently in interviews and gives thoughtful answers to why she writes songs and how she comes up with the ideas. She's so creative with everything she does. I feel like she just meets my current tastes and expectations more than Avril has in the last several years. I feel like what's happened is Avril helped shape me as a kid and Taylor is now shaping me as a young woman. They are both special artists to me and both mean different things to me. They've both influenced me a lot and I admire both of them. But Taylor I feel like suits my current musical tastes and what I want to hear, not just with the music, but it's refreshing to hear someone be able to really speak thoughtfully about their own music and be able to say why they wrote it without going, "So um like this song is about like living the rockstar life and stuff like YAAASSSS RAWESOME KAWAII ABBEY DAWN!!!1!1!1" I said it before - I think most of us who grew up with Avril are beginning to realize she didn't grow with us. It's like mentally she is still stuck in a teen phase and her IG stories and interviews show it. I think sadly a lot of us have just outgrown her maybe. I feel execatly the same! I discovered Taylor in 2009 and she opened a new complete universe to me, never thought that lyrics could be so detailed, poetic, but in that time i was still a big fan of Avril and my hopes for the album (Goodbye Lullbay) were so high and she didn't let me down that much, to me GL is her second best album because i'm more into mellow sounds. But then Avril ''disappeared'' and Taylor released 2 more albums Speak Now and Red that made me stan harder and see the differences between her and Avril. I never releted to Avril lyrics, i loved the songs, but they never spoke to me maybe because i wasn't that angry teenager like she was so there wasn't a connection. The hilarious thing is that Avril lyrics are more general than Taylor's, but there are Taylor's lyrics that could have written by myself because there are execatly what i feel, despite being so personal and specific, i can bring them to my life experiences. When the album Red came out, my best friend stopped to speak to me without any reasons and that album helped me so much to get it through even if the songs talked about her ex love. But i was still curious about the new album of Avril since she said she went deeper with the lyrics, talked about things she never did..the original self-titled. When Here's To Never Growin Up came out, oh i went so damn crazy! I hated and still hate that song, i hate that she talked about a great theme in such a superficial and vulgar way.. So i compared it to Never Grow Up of Taylor , a 20 year old came out with a poetic and innocent ballad that sends a powerful message: not rush in growing up and enjoy your childwood and the little things while a 30years old with over 30 years old men came up with a such embarassing song with no-sense lyrics like you're running in the street yeeling kissin my ass.. like whaaaaaaat?? Are you serious? What it doesn't mean? I was 21 and i felt older than her, i didn't need those end of school, because i ended it 3 years before and i was so over it! Now i'm 27 and there are some songs on Head Above Water that do something to me like It Was In Me or even Birdie, but it's not the same Taylor does to me, it's not just the songs and the lyrics, but the whole package.. the essay about pop music that she wrote for Elle Magazine is everything, i feel so connected with her, and her ideas because in most of them are like mine, especcially in music.
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Post by Jinkxx on Apr 5, 2019 11:35:35 GMT
Well I'll be an Avril fan because she is my idol since 2002. I'm 31 now and I love her! But as many of you agree I'd like to see more but I came to the conclusion I'm 50% okay with how she does things because she's Avril and well.. it's just the way it is but 50% I hate it because I see how other artists promote their stuff!! It's sad because the one artist I'm so involved with and want to know everything about; is kinda lazy. But long story short, I love her! I adore her and her new music is still satisfying me a lot! I think I listen to it daily and when I don't for a few days I wanna hear it again
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Post by lajra on Apr 5, 2019 11:40:14 GMT
I am Avril's fan since the beginning. I was kinda disappointed back then when she released TBDT, but I didn't stop to like her. It would have to be something drastic to make me stop to be a fan. I understand that some fans criticize her for some things, I also do for not performing other songs than HAW. I know it's the leading single, but honestly, I think performing it over and over won't change anything. Many people already heard it and it's not going to be a "bigger wow" for anyone. There are much better songs on her album than that. I believe, that if she would sing something else, like "Birdie" or "It was in me" it would catch people's attention, because it would be something new for them, that could eventually make them search for more. But I don' really understand people, who are on this forum and criticize her for nearly everything. It's also quite annoying that people are all the time comparing her to other artists. I see in almost every page of HAW thread people bring Taylor Swift to the topic. Taylor here, Taylor there, wtf, this is forum of Avril, not of the perfect Taylor Swift, stop this stupid comparison, they are two different person.
I wouldn't blame Avril for weak promo. That's something that her managment should be responsible for. They are either too bad to handle it well and Avril is blindly trusting them or it is Avril who for some unknown reason doesn't want bigger promotion, which I doubt. Seeing, that they actually use promo methods from 2000's makes me think that her managment is unprofessional.
About Avril's current behavior. Well... as I said before. It's probably caused by people who she's surrounded by. I actually think she was more mature in early 2000s' than she's right now.
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Post by katy on Apr 5, 2019 12:32:30 GMT
People bring up Taylor swift cos there’s no reason Avril can’t do what she does for her fans or have that relationship with her fans. It’s nothing to do with label or how successful she is, that makes no difference to communicating and making it fun to be a fan. Anyone can do it. Most people just can’t be arsed. I don’t follow Taylor closely, but from what I know of her I’m 99% sure even when she’s at the stage in her career that Avril is currently at she’ll still go above and beyond for her remaining fans. Avril could, Avril should, but she won’t.
Anyway, as usual I agree with most of what Bogo has said on this subject.
Shes just released her best album in years in my opinion. It’s mature, its fun in places, theres subjects she’s never touched upon before. But she just doesn’t seem interested in showing it off and I can’t understand why. She doesn’t need to be on a TV show to perform new songs for us, sure it’s lower quality but she can use social media for that. Instagram live. Or film herself at home and upload it to YouTube. I can’t speak on behalf of everyone but personally I’ve no interest in seeing her on IG blankly looking at herself on the screen going “yaaaaas bitch”. It’s childish. Her fans aren’t the age where YAAAAAS BATCH is cool. It’s annoying.
She’ll always have a place in my heart because i grew up with her and love her music, but in terms of her personally, i don’t feel any connection with her attitude, I think she takes her fans for granted and don’t feel shes as passionate about her music as she says she is.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 5, 2019 13:48:11 GMT
Most of us bring up Taylor because we’re also fans of her. And they do share some similarities with the types of artists they are. I hate it when people say not to compare her with anyone because there’s nothing wrong with looking at the way other artists do things and wondering why Avril doesn’t follow their lead. Especially artists that are in similar situations as her that are handling things better.
I think promo is the way it is because of her health situation. It’s not the label but I don’t think Avril is being lazy or doesn’t want big promo, just that she has to listen to her body and take things slow.
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Post by birdie2020 on Apr 5, 2019 20:43:09 GMT
Just to weigh in on Taylor since we're going slightly off topic...The only thing I ever really enjoyed from her is "Mean". The only song I own from her and love it. I felt like she kinda "sold out" when she did "Shake It Off". Sorry just not a fan of the music. Sounds like she is great to the fans, awesome for her and the fans, but just can't say I'm one.
Now as far as Avril growing up with us...yeah she doesn't show it (cameltoe part 2 anyone?). I miss the deeper speaking voice and Canadian accent honestly, but it is what it is. If she continues to amaze me with her music like HAW, then I'll hang around. The IG stuff is a bit shallow I think with the filters and such, but other celebs do the exact same thing so I can't really hate on her for being "girlie". In fact when I saw her in 2014 I was really surprised at how cutsie and girlie she was live. Nothing like Avril of the first three albums. She has changed, but so have I. Maybe that's why I can still really love the HAW album and also really love LG.
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Post by Mohican. on Apr 5, 2019 23:48:34 GMT
This seems to be the thread to empty your heart. So I'll add my two cents. Avril used to be my idol. *rolling a cigarette knowing it will take longer* There have been times where I just wanted to be as cool as her. But I was a kid back then. Now I'm all grown up and I'm thinking what the hell? The way you act, the way you talk, girl, you make it appear you have so little self-esteem. And then you open your mouth (in songs) and scream what's going on and I'm like yes. Why though? There's no reason to be unsure. I'm still younger, but I know when to fight. I get the felling you don't want to. Maybe you don't need to. But when you sing it feels real (songs like IFILWTD or Birdie or IWIM) and then you're sitting in an interview and you appear to be 12 years old. That insecurity you carry on stage. Why. Again, why? You've been through it all. All you sing about should give you enough courage to be standing in front of a crowd and screaming it out loud. But you don't. Why? I simply don't get you. It's frustrating cause there's so much power and it seems you don't know how to use it. I am tired of waiting for you to come out.
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Post by slapstick on Apr 6, 2019 9:02:05 GMT
I wanted to say something but y'all wrapped things up pretty nicely before me, so there's little I could add. I quietly never expected much to come from this album because its a tendency for many artists to begin dropping flops after flops, but a good portion of the album turned out much much better than I expected. With that said, there's still plenty of room where these songs should've been improved. Promo sucks, but then again, I generally followed promo of any artist very very passively, so that doesn't really affect me, although it is kinda shame for Avril to just let go of the high recognition she has/had. I don't know much about Taylor Swift, I am no fan of hers, partially because I just don't find her songs appealing, and partially because I dislike how her parents bought her way into the mainstream through wealth and nepotism - but I can say 'kudos' to her if she really is as friendly to her listeners as y'all say so.
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Post by NowISee on Apr 6, 2019 11:05:29 GMT
I always thought Avril is and always will be the artist I love the most. But this record cycle has proofed me she is holding off. She isn't reaching the full potential she is as a performer and a songwriter. And now I've found someone better.
She is Aurora. Norwegian 20 something year old, who is about to release her third record this summer. I've just found her, so I haven't been able to grow along with her career - like I did with Avril, but I've indulged videos from Youtube and found that early on she was really shy, but still managed to give greater feels that Avril ever could through her performances.
I am saddened, that I've lost touch with Avril. HAW as a record is mostly really good, but the performances are not convincing me. It feels like she is in the rut. Performing things over and over with the same style, not changing things up, not making things interesting. I love Head Above Water as a song, but I cannot listen any more live performances of it, because it's always the exact same style.
And here there is this younger artist who can create multiple different types of acoustic performances from a same song. One with only a guitar player, one with guitar player and the drum that you sit on, one with just a bass guitar and a backup singer etc. It's interesting that way! I can't realize how Avril can't see it! She is just repeating everything over and over.
Also, if I may say. Aurora has really good style to promote her stuff. You can be friends with her on Messenger and you get messages from her. It's obviously an ai-type thing. It creates a conversation with you and her. You just choose your own answers by clicking the options. And the results are different depending on what you click. It's at the same time very silly, but still nice way to be connected to an artist (or her people behind) and know what's new with them. She has promoted her singles, private shows and merch with that.
Anyways, this is Aurora:
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Post by RockBitch on Apr 6, 2019 12:31:13 GMT
Well I'll be an Avril fan because she is my idol since 2002. I'm 31 now and I love her! But as many of you agree I'd like to see more but I came to the conclusion I'm 50% okay with how she does things because she's Avril and well.. it's just the way it is but 50% I hate it because I see how other artists promote their stuff!! It's sad because the one artist I'm so involved with and want to know everything about; is kinda lazy. But long story short, I love her! I adore her and her new music is still satisfying me a lot! I think I listen to it daily and when I don't for a few days I wanna hear it again Same!! I'm fan since the beginning, I still love to collect everything about here, I still wear a Avril Lavigne UMS hoody, that kind of things.. But, there was, and is a time that I was A little disappointed in here.. true story.. sorry.. And here insta stories.. hmz?! What the hell is/was she doing?! But ist ok, she is having fun I guess! haha.. Ist ok for know.. Because I Love the new album..!! But I still 'miss' here somethimes.. hard to explain...
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 6, 2019 12:38:48 GMT
I wanted to say something but y'all wrapped things up pretty nicely before me, so there's little I could add. I quietly never expected much to come from this album because its a tendency for many artists to begin dropping flops after flops, but a good portion of the album turned out much much better than I expected. With that said, there's still plenty of room where these songs should've been improved. Promo sucks, but then again, I generally followed promo of any artist very very passively, so that doesn't really affect me, although it is kinda shame for Avril to just let go of the high recognition she has/had. I don't know much about Taylor Swift, I am no fan of hers, partially because I just don't find her songs appealing, and partially because I dislike how her parents bought her way into the mainstream through wealth and nepotism - but I can say 'kudos' to her if she really is as friendly to her listeners as y'all say so. Not to go too off topic here but the story about Taylor’s family “buying” her a record deal is embellished. Her dad did invest a quarter of a million dollars into Big Machine when it was first getting going, and that’s certainly more money than most families have to just drop on something like that, but it was still only a 3% stake in the label. Taylor definitely had advantages and certain privileges that most kids don’t and that helped her a lot. But over the years she has proven her worth as an artist and given back ten fold to people in need. If she wasn’t that talented, her parents buying her a record deal wouldn’t have necessarily made her a star. She wouldn’t have lasted more than a few years in the business if she didn’t truly have what it takes. I think she would have become famous and successful regardless of her family’s financial situation. And over the years she has given back a lot and made donations to lots of charities or her own fans in need. Even back when she was a kid and she wanted to go to Britney Spears’ music camp it was only for underprivileged kids but they agreed to let her in if her parents made a donation instead. Her parents I’m sure were also aware of their wealth and gave donations to those in need whenever possible. I don’t think the Swifts were ever the type of people who flaunted their wealth.
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Post by paperbackwriter on Apr 6, 2019 13:25:47 GMT
I think a big reason why Avril rarely changes things up with her songs is because she's not that gifted musically. She knows the basics and I'd say she's quite capable as a songwriter but she's still just ok at playing guitar and piano. She probably doesn't know how to change it up other than playing acoustic. She has a very talented band though and a musical director in Steve. They should make more suggestions about how they can change up songs when performing live.
I know she changed up LG for TBDTour but she had a stage director for that show who helped stage everything up for her. He could have suggested it.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 6, 2019 13:53:28 GMT
Right. She doesn’t have a lot of formal training in music and is mostly self-taught. The extent of her training was taking piano lessons for 2 years but she never took guitar lessons or studied music history or theory. Which explains why a lot of her self-written songs basically use the same chords and structure. She is just very limited in her knowledge and skills of music and she can only do so much. It goes back to my saying how she didn’t like school growing up (I remember her saying she failed a classical guitar class) and how she was restricted with what music she could listen to. I remember when she was first coming out her band bought her a lot of classic rock and punk albums for her to listen to, probably to help with her “street cred.” Thankfully nowadays she has expanded her tastes more and listens to jazz and stuff. That at least shows some growth and maturity.
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Post by heaven on Apr 6, 2019 14:21:57 GMT
If money can make you the biggest star of the world, Paris Hilton must have done something wrong then since she flopped with ber songs LOL
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