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Post by goodbye on Jun 18, 2015 12:03:31 GMT
In this thread you can or have to re-create 1 full era from her. You can create everything you want. You can change the singles or the promo or the Tour everything is allowed.
I would re-create Goodbye Lullaby. I love it but I think she needs to do this to be a perfect album: 1. Keep the Photoshoot hair. It's awsome and the Black in it looks like UMS 2.0 2. The Tracklist. Put out Smile and WTH and re-make SST, WYWH and ILY. 3. The Promo. I Wish she would perform more songs in TV and Radio. Ellen would be great too. 4. The Tour. More Stripped Down songs and less Pop Songs and Travell the whole World.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 12:47:21 GMT
I'm recreating the AL era.
1. Change everything. The songs, the videos, the shoots, the performances, the interviews, the awkward fan meetups.... yes she's gorgeous, but even her hair and clothes didn't look great this last era, so I'll change those too. 2. Done?
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Post by thyarchery on Jun 18, 2015 21:41:49 GMT
I'm recreating the AL era. 1. Change everything. The songs, the videos, the shoots, the performances, the interviews, the awkward fan meetups.... yes she's gorgeous, but even her hair and clothes didn't look great this last era, so I'll change those too. 2. Done? Please spare that beautiful and avant garde cupcake skirt
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 19, 2015 1:53:37 GMT
I would recreate AL era too.
1. Make a more consistent album, or better yet, a double disc album. One disc of tripod songs, one disc of the Martin songs. Either way, the album needs to have one sound and image and stick with it.
2. Better singles. I would have started off the era with either 17 or Hello Heartache, then BS for a summer single, and ending with YASNY.
3. Better promo. The Unlock RNR campaign was a fail. Things could have been managed better.
4. I would have completely rearranged the tour. First off, have her tour in Europe and more places in NA, NOT as an opening act for BSB. And of course a better setlist, with only a few essential singles and the rest being new material. I would have done a concept tour, celebrating her 10 years in music, with different acts representing her different eras.
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Post by eismann on Jun 20, 2015 15:43:16 GMT
I would re-create TBDT-era. I know this era was a success but it was just too much, imo. - Reduce the pink and all the girly stuff. A bit for a change is okay, but all this pink stuff came suddenly and it was too much for many fans - No dancers!!!! Avril cant dance and her concerts were more "honest" when she didnt have a cheography - Different single choises: Hot and TBDT werent really good decisions - Reduce the modeling stuff. Combined with all the other girly-stuff it was a huge difference to the UMS-Avril.
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Post by katy on Jun 20, 2015 22:21:28 GMT
My least fave era from her is GL but nothing would've saved that era so I'd re-create AL cos it had potential...
1. I'd keep the rockier image she had to start with, the leather jackets etc. Why did she have to start prancing round on stage in a ridiculous tutu? 2. Singles should've been different - start with 17, GYWYL, Hello Heartache and YASNY. 3. Rock N Roll, HTNGU, HK and possibly LMG off the album 4. Better setlist, shes at a point in her career where her shows only really attract proper fans and they generally want to see new material and a few of her biggest hits, not the same songs they've already seen live 4 times and only new tracks if they're lucky enough to turn up to the right show. I'd have not bothered with the Backstreet Boys thing like Andrea said too, that was a bit embarrassing.
I think this album had SO much potential and it was just thrown away with ridiculous single choices. They literally chose the worst songs on the album as singles.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 23:15:29 GMT
I would re-create TBDT-era. I know this era was a success but it was just too much, imo. - Reduce the pink and all the girly stuff. A bit for a change is okay, but all this pink stuff came suddenly and it was too much for many fans - No dancers!!!! Avril cant dance and her concerts were more "honest" when she didnt have a cheography - Different single choises: Hot and TBDT werent really good decisions - Reduce the modeling stuff. Combined with all the other girly-stuff it was a huge difference to the UMS-Avril. I would re-create TBDT era too. This era was the beginning of the end for Avril in terms of her popularity with the GP and the huge loss of a lot of her original LG/UMS fans. I really like TBDT album now, but when it first came out I was like what the hell happened to her? She completely changed her image to something she told everyone she was against in both the LG & UMS eras - Peroxide blonde, cheerleader hoe. There are videos on YT (can't remember which ones but they are out there) where she said prior to TBDT era - "I would never dye my hair blonde" "I would never wear pink" etc. Her huge fan base existed because she was different to all of the female singers at the time of LG & UMS -"the anti-britney". She was tomboyish, her music had meaning and not generic like the majority of pop music at that time, she wouldn't sell her music via sexual images in her photoshoots/music videos... Then TBDT era arrived and everything she said she was against - Avril became. Anyway, I could write so much about this era and how it ultimately contributed to the floppage of Avril's career and next two era's (GL & AL), but I'm not gonna. By the way, I believe TBDT is Avril's third best album behind UMS and LG, but realistically it did drive away a vast amount of fans and her public image went slightly down hill at this point.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 21, 2015 0:06:24 GMT
I think it's honestly really stupid when fans complain that she dyed her hair blonde- because she did that WAY before TBDT era even started. Yes, she dyed her hair towards the end of 2004, during the beloved UMS rawker era. And she also said she started getting ideas for Abbey Dawn in UMS era as well. Also, she has always liked pink and HK. In LG era she wore a pink tank top and pink Converses at a concert. At her bedroom at home you can see a HK doll in the background.
The sad thing is that I honestly think Avril always had a somewhat girly side to her but she just never felt free to show it until TBDT era. In the early days her record company and Avril herself probably thought Avril would have more success by being the "anti" do they amped up the tomboy sk8er guurrrl image and downplayed anything and everything that was girly or feminine about her. Everyone says that the "new" her (TBDT era onwards) is fake and that the LG and UMS Avril is the "real" Avril, when I think it's actually the opposite. I'm not saying she was completely fake in 2002-2005, but I do think certain aspects of her personality were played up to create a certain image. What we saw from 2006 to now is the real Avril.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 0:32:33 GMT
I think it's honestly really stupid when fans complain that she dyed her hair blonde- because she did that WAY before TBDT era even started. Yes, she dyed her hair towards the end of 2004, during the beloved UMS rawker era. And she also said she started getting ideas for Abbey Dawn in UMS era as well. Also, she has always liked pink and HK. In LG era she wore a pink tank top and pink Converses at a concert. At her bedroom at home you can see a HK doll in the background. The sad thing is that I honestly think Avril always had a somewhat girly side to her but she just never felt free to show it until TBDT era. In the early days her record company and Avril herself probably thought Avril would have more success by being the "anti" do they amped up the tomboy sk8er guurrrl image and downplayed anything and everything that was girly or feminine about her. Everyone says that the "new" her (TBDT era onwards) is fake and that the LG and UMS Avril is the "real" Avril, when I think it's actually the opposite. I'm not saying she was completely fake in 2002-2005, but I do think certain aspects of her personality were played up to create a certain image. What we saw from 2006 to now is the real Avril. I couldn't care less about the colour of her hair tbh, she could shave it all off for all I care. I was just listing things she said she was against in the LG/UMS eras then completely changed her mind for TBDT era (and as you say somethings Avril changed prior to the TBDT era like 2006 or something). I also agree that what we saw from Avril 2006 - to present is probably the "real Avril"
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Post by Jack on Jun 21, 2015 0:48:36 GMT
The "real" Avril is the one who does what she wants at the moment, and I saw that during her first three albums/eras. Yes, she made a "big change" from UMS to TBDT, but even though the latter is my least favourite album for multiple reasons, I think she was still genuine and she really did what she wanted. After that, her labels have "suggested" her to go back to studio after having the album(s) done and she ended up not releasing the album she initially wanted and was excited for. And you could notice that during GL and AL, where she barely gave love to those albums while promoting them, and she performed a "singles-only" setlist that didn't satisfy her fans. She didn't have any kind of consistency, especially during AL era, which was "all over the place" like the album was.
If I had to re-create some era, I would definitely re-create GL era. Releasing the album SHE wanted, release it in April 2010 like she supposedly wanted and do an intimate, stripped-down theatre tour like she wanted. Of course, releasing EH as first single (I feel that's the song she wanted as 1st single) and try to leave the "motherfucking princess" image behind for good, something she hasn't been capable of doing yet.
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Post by Underclass King on Jun 21, 2015 2:12:57 GMT
I personally believe Goodbye Lullaby needed a single like What the Hell to lead off the album. Maybe it could have been worked to fit the album a bit more, although it's still a better lead than the likes of Push and Black Star (she stated she wanted both as singles before). As seen from the then-previous era, a ballad just didn't work as a single. Girlfriend is arguably the biggest song of Avril's career being her only #1 in the U.S., and it set up The Best Damn Thing era for some major success. Although releasing a ballad, When You're Gone, killed the monumentum of the era considerably. It only went top 30 in the U.S. and only saw #1 in Ukraine. Coming off of the buzz of Girlfriend, it should've at least gone top 20. It was also much harder for a ballad to become a success back then (aside from Adele) since it was all about dance music such as Gaga and Ke$ha. I do believe diversity is good and it's best for singles to represent the album as a whole, but there wasn't really any non-Max Martin tracks that we've heard that are strong enough to launch an era. Although this is all speaking from a commercial standpoint.
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Post by StrongSweet on Jun 21, 2015 3:51:56 GMT
Stop Standing There should have been the first single She needs more adult listeners
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Post by carcass on Jun 21, 2015 5:22:46 GMT
I'd recreate the LG era, starting off with adding the song, Let Go, onto the album and making it the second single after Complicated, then Sk8tr Boy as 3rd single, and then I'd have closed the album off with Why as the 15th track, make the entire album a 15 track record (including Why and Let Go.)
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jun 21, 2015 12:42:32 GMT
I think it's honestly really stupid when fans complain that she dyed her hair blonde- because she did that WAY before TBDT era even started. Yes, she dyed her hair towards the end of 2004, during the beloved UMS rawker era. And she also said she started getting ideas for Abbey Dawn in UMS era as well. Also, she has always liked pink and HK. In LG era she wore a pink tank top and pink Converses at a concert. At her bedroom at home you can see a HK doll in the background. The sad thing is that I honestly think Avril always had a somewhat girly side to her but she just never felt free to show it until TBDT era. In the early days her record company and Avril herself probably thought Avril would have more success by being the "anti" do they amped up the tomboy sk8er guurrrl image and downplayed anything and everything that was girly or feminine about her. Everyone says that the "new" her (TBDT era onwards) is fake and that the LG and UMS Avril is the "real" Avril, when I think it's actually the opposite. I'm not saying she was completely fake in 2002-2005, but I do think certain aspects of her personality were played up to create a certain image. What we saw from 2006 to now is the real Avril. I couldn't care less about the colour of her hair tbh, she could shave it all off for all I care. I was just listing things she said she was against in the LG/UMS eras then completely changed her mind for TBDT era (and as you say somethings Avril changed prior to the TBDT era like 2006 or something). I also agree that what we saw from Avril 2006 - to present is probably the "real Avril" I know, I didn't really say it right. I just meant that a lot of fans "blame" TBDT era for why Avril "changed" so much when a large portion of the changes actually happened in UMS era. In addition to dyeing her hair then and thinking about a clothing line, she also started wearing more skirts and dresses then. And she posed for Maxim for the first time in 2004, even if she wasn't naked or anything, she started doing sexier shoots as early as UMS era too. There are paparazzi pics of her with Nicky Hilton as early as LG era. But for whatever reason, nobody cares that she did all of that back then because that's the album/era they like best, so they're ok with it. They don't like TBDT album so they make it the scapegoat for everything. The only things TBDT era can be "blamed" for are the brattiness and dancers.
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Post by thyarchery on Jun 21, 2015 13:42:24 GMT
The "real" Avril is the one who does what she wants at the moment, and I saw that during her first three albums/eras. Yes, she made a "big change" from UMS to TBDT, but even though the latter is my least favourite album for multiple reasons, I think she was still genuine and she really did what she wanted. After that, her labels have "suggested" her to go back to studio after having the album(s) done and she ended up not releasing the album she initially wanted and was excited for. And you could notice that during GL and AL, where she barely gave love to those albums while promoting them, and she performed a "singles-only" setlist that didn't satisfy her fans. She didn't have any kind of consistency, especially during AL era, which was "all over the place" like the album was. If I had to re-create some era, I would definitely re-create GL era. Releasing the album SHE wanted, release it in April 2010 like she supposedly wanted and do an intimate, stripped-down theatre tour like she wanted. Of course, releasing EH as first single (I feel that's the song she wanted as 1st single) and try to leave the "motherfucking princess" image behind for good, something she hasn't been capable of doing yet.
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