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Post by Dillon on Jul 17, 2015 2:22:50 GMT
This thread is for discussing animation, whether it be 2D animation, 3D animation, animated works such as television shows and movies, or working in animation, etc.
You can also talk about one-dimensional animation.
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Post by Dillon on Jul 17, 2015 2:44:31 GMT
It's a shame that 2D animation is being phased out almost completely and being replaced by 3D animation and CGI. I used to love the 2D animated Disney movies; I grew up on those.
But Dinsey let go almost all of their 2D animators and has ended that department. I know 3D animation is easier to create, but in my opinion, 3D animated films can't hold a candle to 2D animated films. They look so much better!
I saw 2D concepts from Disney's Frozen and I think it looks so much better in comparison to the actual film which was done in 3D animation. Leading studios in 3D animation like Pixar and Dreamworks are good at their job; but the leading 2D animation studio has always been Disney. I think it could have been wise for Disney to stick with 2D rather than trying to compete with the other 3D studios. Since the other big studios do strictly 3D, if Disney had remained the only 2D studio, they could have had a real edge, something different to make their movies more appealing.
Some people say that this generation of kids are most accustomed to 3D and therefore say that 2D animated films wouldn't have the same level of success as 3D in today's market, but I think they're wrong. But at the end of the day, I think Disney's choice to eliminate their 2D department was mostly about money since 3D films have smaller budgets for both time and monetary costs.
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Post by sam on Jul 17, 2015 11:31:02 GMT
Yeah, I miss 2D stuff too, me and my mum are always like "ugh, why on earth did they make it 3D? It looks awful now"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 12:25:07 GMT
It's a bit like the 'practical effects vs CGI' debate among film nerds. For every case you could make in favour of 2D animation, there's a counterpoint to be made in favour of 3D. All I know is that Toy Story would look weird in 2D.
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Post by Dillon on Jul 17, 2015 12:52:01 GMT
That's true about Toy Story, but it was a Disney & Pixar film. In my opinion Pixar knows what they're doing; Disney seeked out Pixar for the movie so obviously they thought so to.
When Disney does 3D on their own though, it doesn't look as good. I don't know, maybe I'm biased because I grew up watching Disney 2D animation films. And I've only ever known studios like Pixar to make 3D animated films, so there's nothing to compare there.
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Post by thyarchery on Jul 18, 2015 18:18:15 GMT
I agree with Harvey about Toy Story, but the Toy Story movies were precisely so good because Pixar took over the animation part. I don't think nowadays kids feel alienated by 2D animation either. My cousin is 5 and he enjoys watching Scooby Doo, which is not only 2D animated-but very old by now. It was already old when I was his age, to be honest -for the record, I still love Scooby Doo. Some other "new" cartoons that have met a lot of success are 2D-animated as well, like Phineas and Ferb, and, at the end of the day, Disney's biggest masterpieces kids still adore are mostly 2D animated films like the Lion King or The Jungle Book. The problem is that Disney has screwed it up, and not only in the animation department. Their movies have lost quality over time, and the modern ones are subpar compared to the old ones, and that's the real reason why their movies feel so artificial lately. In my opinion it's not the animation, it's the whole movie that fails. There are great 3D animated films by Pixar/ Dreamworks such as Shrek or Finding Nemo that are great precisely because the fantastic animation and flashy effects are backed by a great script. Disney has just lost the magic. Even the music, which used to be a department they mastered, is a pale shadow of what it used to be. I've not watched the full Frozen movie yet, but I've watched some parts of it-including the famous "Let it go" scene-and I sincerely can't understand all the fuss at those songs. They're standard old Disney at their best and none of them holds a candle to the Little Mermaid soundtrack. I still sing along to the Dat's why is hattah undah dah watah! in Under The Sea. I doubt any kid will sing like that to any Let It Go line when he's 24.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 7:17:02 GMT
I don't think adults can decide the worth of an animated movie for kids. The opinions of the target audience are the ones that count. If this stuff wasn't working then Disney would have gone back to the drawing board, pun intended.
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Post by thyarchery on Jul 19, 2015 18:03:07 GMT
I don't think adults can decide the worth of an animated movie for kids. The opinions of the target audience are the ones that count. If this stuff wasn't working then Disney would have gone back to the drawing board, pun intended. I get your point, but at the same time you can tell it isn't working the way it used to. Children in my family tend to like better movies by Pixar/Dreamworks than Disney's. Cars may be one of the few exceptions, but, again, it's just like Toy Story: a Pixar/Disney collaboration.
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Post by Srrrrr on Jul 25, 2015 20:01:26 GMT
Song Of The Sea is a great 2D film that came out last year ! These type of indie movies give me hope that animating on paper is still not going away. It was such a poetic movie, too .
but then these projects are so rare. The only 2D stuff worth watching these days are basically short films made by students. Big productions don't care anymore. There's some rumors that Brad Bird is working on a 2D movie. If someone can make tradiotionnal animation alive again i'm sure it's him. We'll seeee
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Post by Monet ♥ on Jul 25, 2015 23:26:23 GMT
Some movies should just stay 2D. I'm not necessarily talking about animated movies but rather about normal ones. 3D adds a nice effect but often it is not worth it. Aaaand.. you need to pay more money if you don't have the option to watch it in 2D. 3D works fine with animated movies most of the time. The effects make kids believe that they're inside the movie.. so it has something realistic.
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Post by TheRaven on Dec 14, 2015 9:57:40 GMT
Anyone here doing some animation work every now and then?
If so, what codec do you usually use for rendering?
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Post by helloheartache on Dec 22, 2015 20:01:15 GMT
Anyone here doing some animation work every now and then? If so, what codec do you usually use for rendering? I don't do any animation work, however I have a few questions about it. What is it like to work with animation? What kind of programs must/do you use in order to do it? And what kind of skills does one need to have, if any, in order to be good at animation? Are there any difficulties and what are they?
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Post by TheRaven on Dec 23, 2015 6:41:54 GMT
Anyone here doing some animation work every now and then? If so, what codec do you usually use for rendering? I don't do any animation work, however I have a few questions about it. What is it like to work with animation? What kind of programs must/do you use in order to do it? And what kind of skills does one need to have, if any, in order to be good at animation? Are there any difficulties and what are they? What is it like to work with animation? This is our first year working with animation, so far it is quite fun, at least for me. You have so many possibilities to build stuff out of simple basic forms! What kind of programs must/do you use in order to do it? You need software, that allows you to build that stuff. We specifically do 3D animation. At school we have Cinema 4D to build our figures or landscapes etc. and give them a way to move. After rendering that into pictures we use Adobe AfterEffects for composing that into small videos. So far we only completed one little project but on our Open Day I will be doing that - my friend and I were thinking about building a Minion But those two programs cost money; our teacher once told us that Blender is a good animation software too (and it is freeware) - but I don't know whether you are able to compose with that or not. If not then you need another program for composing if you desire to not only do single pictures but moving clips. (I haven't worked with it yet but I was planning on trying it sometime,!) And what kind of skills does one need to have, if any, in order to be good at animation? I seriously don't really know. You should have patience. When you build anything you need that until it looks like you desire and when you give it colour and sparkle and all that stuff you need patience also. And maybe here and there something to inspire you. Are there any difficulties and what are they?Losing your patience I guess. Or a lack of inspiration now and then. Most of the time it's good for me to close it up and do something different for a bit and get my mind off it. Usually that works good for me. Other than that I cannot think of anything (yet). But like I mentioned, we only started with it this school year. (Well, as long as we're not talking about Writer's Block, that one is a b*tch.) I hope I could help you a bit
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Post by Srrrrr on Dec 28, 2015 9:18:33 GMT
I don't do any animation work, however I have a few questions about it. What is it like to work with animation? What kind of programs must/do you use in order to do it? And what kind of skills does one need to have, if any, in order to be good at animation? Are there any difficulties and what are they? What is it like to work with animation? This is our first year working with animation, so far it is quite fun, at least for me. You have so many possibilities to build stuff out of simple basic forms! What kind of programs must/do you use in order to do it? You need software, that allows you to build that stuff. We specifically do 3D animation. At school we have Cinema 4D to build our figures or landscapes etc. and give them a way to move. After rendering that into pictures we use Adobe AfterEffects for composing that into small videos. So far we only completed one little project but on our Open Day I will be doing that - my friend and I were thinking about building a Minion But those two programs cost money; our teacher once told us that Blender is a good animation software too (and it is freeware) - but I don't know whether you are able to compose with that or not. If not then you need another program for composing if you desire to not only do single pictures but moving clips. (I haven't worked with it yet but I was planning on trying it sometime,!) And what kind of skills does one need to have, if any, in order to be good at animation? I seriously don't really know. You should have patience. When you build anything you need that until it looks like you desire and when you give it colour and sparkle and all that stuff you need patience also. And maybe here and there something to inspire you. Are there any difficulties and what are they?Losing your patience I guess. Or a lack of inspiration now and then. Most of the time it's good for me to close it up and do something different for a bit and get my mind off it. Usually that works good for me. Other than that I cannot think of anything (yet). But like I mentioned, we only started with it this school year. (Well, as long as we're not talking about Writer's Block, that one is a b*tch.) I hope I could help you a bit Yay anim school. What school are you going to ? and uggg 3D! i tried this! Are you using Maya? I guess you are.. Maya..she's not for me to say the least. I wish it was..but..no.it's Maya. Maya is the worst of all of the evil things. I think she does it on purpose. Maya doesn't want you good. She will crash on every occasion.She will make you suffer until you sell her your soul and mental health. I did one semester and then switched to 2D...where Maya can't get me...where she's not around. On a personnal note, I use tvpaint .it's the only none-vector software I found ( I can't stand flash) but ehh it gives me headaches sometimes.(nothing close to Maya tho) It's not your usual user friendly software but it does the job . on the other hand, School forces us to do everything on paper so that's still where i'm the most comfortable. Flipping pages..crying.. redoing everything.. crying again..testing.. I should scan my animations one day and put them on the net. but then there's nothing very interesting. yes if you didn't already guess I'm not a major fan of animating. The fun part is drawing characters or background. Actually the only fun thing with animating in the final result. At school there is an old saying on the wall..: Animation is like riding a bike except the bike is on fire and you're on fire. Everything if on fire because animation is hell. or something like that.. I feel like this was stolen from somewhere online . probably 9gag or something but still, it explains all the things .
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Post by TheRaven on Jan 18, 2016 10:24:46 GMT
What is it like to work with animation? This is our first year working with animation, so far it is quite fun, at least for me. You have so many possibilities to build stuff out of simple basic forms! What kind of programs must/do you use in order to do it? You need software, that allows you to build that stuff. We specifically do 3D animation. At school we have Cinema 4D to build our figures or landscapes etc. and give them a way to move. After rendering that into pictures we use Adobe AfterEffects for composing that into small videos. So far we only completed one little project but on our Open Day I will be doing that - my friend and I were thinking about building a Minion But those two programs cost money; our teacher once told us that Blender is a good animation software too (and it is freeware) - but I don't know whether you are able to compose with that or not. If not then you need another program for composing if you desire to not only do single pictures but moving clips. (I haven't worked with it yet but I was planning on trying it sometime,!) And what kind of skills does one need to have, if any, in order to be good at animation? I seriously don't really know. You should have patience. When you build anything you need that until it looks like you desire and when you give it colour and sparkle and all that stuff you need patience also. And maybe here and there something to inspire you. Are there any difficulties and what are they?Losing your patience I guess. Or a lack of inspiration now and then. Most of the time it's good for me to close it up and do something different for a bit and get my mind off it. Usually that works good for me. Other than that I cannot think of anything (yet). But like I mentioned, we only started with it this school year. (Well, as long as we're not talking about Writer's Block, that one is a b*tch.) I hope I could help you a bit Yay anim school. What school are you going to ? and uggg 3D! i tried this! Are you using Maya? I guess you are.. Maya..she's not for me to say the least. I wish it was..but..no.it's Maya. Maya is the worst of all of the evil things. I think she does it on purpose. Maya doesn't want you good. She will crash on every occasion.She will make you suffer until you sell her your soul and mental health. I did one semester and then switched to 2D...where Maya can't get me...where she's not around. On a personnal note, I use tvpaint .it's the only none-vector software I found ( I can't stand flash) but ehh it gives me headaches sometimes.(nothing close to Maya tho) It's not your usual user friendly software but it does the job . on the other hand, School forces us to do everything on paper so that's still where i'm the most comfortable. Flipping pages..crying.. redoing everything.. crying again..testing.. I should scan my animations one day and put them on the net. but then there's nothing very interesting. yes if you didn't already guess I'm not a major fan of animating. The fun part is drawing characters or background. Actually the only fun thing with animating in the final result. At school there is an old saying on the wall..: Animation is like riding a bike except the bike is on fire and you're on fire. Everything if on fire because animation is hell. or something like that.. I feel like this was stolen from somewhere online . probably 9gag or something but still, it explains all the things . I forgot to response I'm attending a school with a part in communication and media design. And no, we don't use Maya, we have Cinema 4D. It doesn't crash too often but you have to be careful; when you zoom in too much you can't really move around, I once thought the software crashed so I closed it and opened it again... But I disagree at your point of "the only fun thing with animating is the final result", I love modelling, no matter how long it might take. We had our open night on Thursday and open day on Friday and I started to work on Olaf from Frozen. He doesn't have a mouth, nose, eyes or fingers but apparently you can make out what it is supposed to be.
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