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Post by tilak on Jul 23, 2015 18:34:46 GMT
^ I seriously don't think the hello kitty video is racist. And I don't get the point that why the people are commenting on the video when the video is not even for them? Why?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 18:37:12 GMT
^ I seriously don't think the hello kitty video is racist. And I don't get the point that why the people are commenting on the video when the video is not even for them? Why? Because people on the internet like to think they're high and mighty while being offended by everything and fighting fake battles that don't exist
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 2:53:34 GMT
^ I seriously don't think the hello kitty video is racist. And I don't get the point that why the people are commenting on the video when the video is not even for them? Why? 1. The Hello Kitty music video destroyed a lot of people's childhood. At least my chidhood.
2. Avril's look on Hello Kitty was tbh, unbearable even for me. 30 yr old woman with lots of makeup, wearing pink, cupcake-like dress, with her bright-golden hair shaved, she was even slightly chubby, marching with expressionless Asian women on ear-deafening EDM with sick lyrics. This music video is sick enough to be laughed at. This was worse than "Girlfriend feat. Lil Mama".
I myself is an Asian, am from a country right next to Japan. And oh you won't imagine how much the fans in my country loathe that song. (well we have nothing on the SONG. It's the music video we can't bear)
The reputation of Avril Lavigne was restored only after the lyme disease interview.
At the end of the tour in my country, Avril said "Bye, I have to leave fast, I'm going to Japan again 'cause I'm gonna shoot a music video."
We should have grabbed her. I still don't understand why Chad didn't stop her, even help her cowrite that song. IMO he's being too soft on her.
I didn't notice that the music video was released until a friend mine told me that he can't understand why I like Avril Lavigne, 'that her music is terrible and she's ugly'. (And I shut him up by showing him the music videos & live performances from Under My Skin era, plus the music video of Let Me Go.)
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 24, 2015 11:51:22 GMT
LOL I think some people take the HK video way too seriously IMO it's meant to be fun and silly and nothing else. We have heard from many of our Japanese members that Japan loves the song and video and those are the people she made it for. I think they edited the video to look like "Japanese style" if you know what I mean. Was there some cultural appropriation going on? Sure. She sort of stereotyped Japan by eating sushi, saki, and visiting a candy store, as well as having the expressionless Asian dancers that all looked alike. But that's far from being racist. Racist would have been if she mocked the culture or did something offensive, like ripping the Japanese flag, or wearing makeup to make herself look like she is Japanese. She didn't do that. IMO some people made too big a deal out of the video. It's actually one of my favorites of the AL era, I took it for what it is- stupid and fun.
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Post by Becky on Jul 24, 2015 12:26:58 GMT
As for what the media report, it's usually crap anyway. I see absolutely no problem in speculating what so ever. And all fanbases have fans that take things literally then flame the artist. People believe everything they read on the internet these days. It's not down to anything other than the people those particular fans are. People are too gullible, I would have thought as long as she confirmed it, we would assume it was simply speculation? Not only are some fans taking things literally, I think people are taking what fans are saying too literally. I can't believe we have to word everything so carefully as to not offend these days, but that's just me. People should be allowed to do what they want, and if they want to speculate, they should be free to. We'll have to agree to disagree. You missed my entire point. It's totally fine if people want to discuss whether or not she MAY be performing the song. What Keinware said though is NOT speculating. He said multiple times in this and other threads that Avril is performing it, as though this was confirmed info which it isn't. I understand that English isn't his first language and maybe he misunderstood the tweet or wrote it wrong but he should not have taken the tweet and said "She is also performing ABO" because it's not true. To speculate whether she will or not is fine but IMO it's not ok to write things here as though it's been confirmed when it hasn't been. There's a huge difference between she MAY perform it and she WILL perform it. That's what I'm trying to get at here. Sorry, I realise the conversation has moved on, just wanted to clarify. I misunderstood you because you said 'Sorry, but no' when I said people should be free to speculate so I thought you were against speculation. I probably would feel the same as you if the person saying it spoke perfect English. I completely get your point, I just personally don't see it as a big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 12:57:25 GMT
IMO some people made too big a deal out of the video. It's actually one of my favorites of the AL era, I took it for what it is- stupid and fun.
If Nicki Minaj shoot that video, and if (IF.) her love for Japan and HK was publically very well known, people would have simply said "Yeah that vid's crazy, but lol it's Nicki Minaj".
But Avril Lavigne's original image had nothing to do with Hello Kitty.
Everybody remembered her as the bratty, but hot chick who sang Complicated and Girlfriend.
Hello Kitty was so different from her original persona (and she didn't even look hot anymore), and it shocked the whole media even before people started to talk about that "racist" thing.
And btw everybody hates dubstep
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Post by tilak on Jul 24, 2015 15:43:03 GMT
IMO some people made too big a deal out of the video. It's actually one of my favorites of the AL era, I took it for what it is- stupid and fun.
If Nicki Minaj shoot that video, and if (IF.) her love for Japan and HK was publically very well known, people would have simply said "Yeah that vid's crazy, but lol it's Nicki Minaj".
But Avril Lavigne's original image had nothing to do with Hello Kitty.
Everybody remembered her as the bratty, but hot chick who sang Complicated and Girlfriend.
Hello Kitty was so different from her original persona (and she didn't even look hot anymore), and it shocked the whole media even before people started to talk about that "racist" thing.
And btw everybody hates dubstep
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"And btw everybody hates dubstep " just to tell you, don't assume your taste as everybody's. I actually quite like the song. And Liking and persona has nothing in common. She likes hello kitty, and I don't know why people had to judge someone's liking. Sometimes people here are like "Ah, Avril needs to do something new" and when she does "WHY this one?". I mean experiments are always like that. I think you like Britney's Pretty girls Imo its the worst song I have heard in my whole life and the video is even shitty. Back to the point- That's how asia is, colorful...creative and stuff like that. And I think here "Racism" is confused with someone's image. How can a song judge anyone's image. And btw, I would love to know how it ruined your childhood(Pls Message me how it did). And coming to the people thinking racist... Okay so here is how it goes. If you see anyone talking good about a thing.. Even if you hate the thing.. You will start liking it. Lets take an example of a car advertisement. The car is very small and shitty and you hate it already but when you see it's commercial which says "Spacious, good" your thinking start to change. And you start liking the car when some bad ass celebrity is in the commercial saying "This is my favorite car". Then you suddenly change your mind. Same has happened here. When billboard said the video is RACIST..people started to think in that way.. Because "It's THE BILLBOARD".I'm sure if idolator said anything like that no one would even bother. Coming to Billboard they are racist. They rank Prwtty girls and bad blood(Of one the shittiest video I may have ever seen, Not to mention "A Video which is copied from A KPop girl group from Japan. Why people didn't thought this was racist) as best videos and people agrees because once again its "THE BILLBOARD". It's all about how someone creates the image in front of you. And Avril's had a huge loss because 1.She was already not that popular and people didn't know what actually are her type of songs. 2. billboard started it. People didn't had the time to think and have time to make a decision of the video. I've seen people who have never actually seen the video and will still Say "Ah she's racist". And does your friend even know her? If he knew her then he would've slapped himself after asking that question. And you should have answered that "She's unique... At least she doesn't sells her body and sells huge number of albums and singles and that's the reason why I love her". Fans Seriously dont need to show her other videos to prove she's relevant. Wow.
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Post by tilak on Jul 24, 2015 15:46:23 GMT
And btw even I can get the hate searches by googling "Hello Kitty Wtf/Hate/Racist" dont play smart with me. I can get you 1000 good posts about it by typing "Hello Kitty good". And it is well appreciated in my country. I saw all the articles here and times of India bashed billboard's article.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 15:57:39 GMT
"And btw everybody hates dubstep " just to tell you, don't assume your taste as everybody's. I actually quite like the song. And Liking and persona has nothing in common. She likes hello kitty, and I don't know why people had to judge someone's liking. Sometimes people here are like "Ah, Avril needs to do something new" and when she does "WHY this one?". I mean experiments are always like that. I think you like Britney's Pretty girls Imo its the worst song I have heard in my whole life and the video is even shitty. Back to the point- That's how asia is, colorful...creative and stuff like that. And I think here "Racism" is confused with someone's image. How can a song judge anyone's image. And btw, I would love to know how it ruined your childhood(Pls Message me how it did). And coming to the people thinking racist... Okay so here is how it goes. If you see anyone talking good about a thing.. Even if you hate the thing.. You will start liking it. Lets take an example of a car advertisement. The car is very small and shitty and you hate it already but when you see it's commercial which says "Spacious, good" your thinking start to change. And you start liking the car when some bad ass celebrity is in the commercial saying "This is my favorite car". Then you suddenly change your mind. Same has happened here. When billboard said the video is RACIST..people started to think in that way.. Because "It's THE BILLBOARD".I'm sure if idolator said anything like that no one would even bother. Coming to Billboard they are racist. They rank Prwtty girls and bad blood(Of one the shittiest video I may have ever seen, Not to mention "A Video which is copied from A KPop girl group from Japan. Why people didn't thought this was racist) as best videos and people agrees because once again its "THE BILLBOARD". It's all about how someone creates the image in front of you. And Avril's had a huge loss because 1.She was already not that popular and people didn't know what actually are her type of songs. 2. billboard started it. People didn't had the time to think and have time to make a decision of the video. I've seen people who have never actually seen the video and will still Say "Ah she's racist". And does your friend even know her? If he knew her then he would've slapped himself after asking that question. And you should have answered that "She's unique... At least she doesn't sells her body and sells huge number of albums and singles and that's the reason why I love her". Fans Seriously dont need to show her other videos to prove she's relevant. Wow.
Whoa boy, stop right there.
I was just giving my opinions - the reason of those harsh views of media on Avril Lavigne's Hello Kitty.
Can't answer you completely 'cause I don't have enough time.
And please, I swear that K-Pop group is NOT from Japan, and Asia is not colorful at all.
And I have never listened to "Pretty Girls". I don't give a shit to mainstream music of nowadays.
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Post by tilak on Jul 24, 2015 16:20:55 GMT
You can't answer because you actually don't have any answer because I made some valid points there. And I am Asian and I know it is colourful.
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Post by Kaiye on Jul 24, 2015 16:59:45 GMT
I am also asian but can one of you guys explain me what you guys mean by "colourful"?
And as much as I hate the Hello Kitty Music Video and the song, and the cartoon character itself, my liking for Avril isn't lessened by it. She's been talking about HK for some time before the record comes out. And with Avril, there's always changes - and drastic ones at that, and that's part of what I love about her. (From a skater chick to a gothic teen to girlfriend to a victorian look on goodbye.) The media will always be media, exaggerating and heating up/labelling things and stuff that artists put out- that's their job. But for the fans, who had been rocking out to complicated as a middle school student, to have that much of a response like "WTF is she doing? It's racist" is just ridiculous. If you don't like the song, don't listen to it or don't watch the video. If people can't bear somewhat of a change or of new things, I don't even know how they even became her fans. There's no point for Avril to discriminate/ridicule Japan, since it remains the only market that her music is selling substantially these days.
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Post by Becky on Jul 24, 2015 17:16:18 GMT
I know it's not my place to say, but this has gotten really off topic
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Post by Dillon on Jul 24, 2015 18:59:06 GMT
^ You're right. It is really off topic. It's not necessarily my place to say either, but something that I think members don't realize is that you can hit the quote button, copy the quoted text, and then paste it in an appropriate thread. Quotes aren't limited to the thread they are taken from. Quotes shouldn't be taken willy nilly and spread throughout the forum, which would create chaos, but when you want to continue on a conversation that started in the wrong thread, you can change the path of the conversation to the correct thread.
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Post by In Wonderland on Jul 24, 2015 21:13:05 GMT
Who are interested in the Special Olympics not only because Avril is performing?
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Post by Uncle Bob on Jul 24, 2015 21:50:59 GMT
Who are interested in the Special Olympics not only because Avril is performing? Not me. No way. I have no interest in sports whatever. I have ESPN in my cable package but, I don't even know the channel number. I'm going to have to look it up. I'm going to set my DVR to record the opening, watch Avril's performance and that's it.
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