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Post by pllforlife on Dec 1, 2016 16:34:05 GMT
I hope not. Avril is a nice escape from the bullshit. She doesn't try to shove her beliefs in anyones face and that is something very rare today. I think a lot of artists aren't singing about politics so I don't think it's very rare tbh.. I don't mind if she does it or not but I'm curious about subjects in her life wich affect her and I just hope she has some songs with a different genre. If they aren't singing about, they're tweeting about it, campaigning for politicians, or blabbing in some form. Avril hasn't done any of that, and it's awesome.
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Post by pllforlife on Dec 1, 2016 16:36:35 GMT
Throwing this out there. I'm all about her working with Twenty-One Pilots. They are a mix of like every genre and make songs about mental health that actually capture what it is like to suffer from mental illness. Not just a smattering of inspirational quotes, set to a pop tune, and a music video with models who try to make you think they have suffered a hard day in their life. I think their lyrical composition and metaphors would really capture what Avril has gone through with her Lyme disease.
I'd also love to hear her work with Sara Bareilles, who is also on Epic. IMO Sara is way better than Adele in talent, song writing, and vocally.
Songs like this. Not love songs, not ballads, but not electric guitar pop, meaningful.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 1, 2016 18:11:36 GMT
I always envisioned Avril releasing something similar to "Fight Song" by Rachel Platten - a commercial pop song but with meaning. I hope that the lead single of album 6 is not another GF/WTH/HTNGU.
I don't expect the sound of it to not be pop in some form or possibly a ballad like Fly, but I hope the subject matter is something more meaningful. After her well publicized battle with Lyme disease it would just look shallow to release another motherfucking princess party song. An inspirational song like KHO would be really good. But even if it ends up being about love or breakups per usual, that's still preferable for me over the party songs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 18:40:07 GMT
I agree, Avril should have some sort of self-empowerment song in the album.
I've been listening to Still Breathing by Green Day and realized how much that song could relate to Avril. I'm hoping the album will have something similar to that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 18:57:40 GMT
Wasn't Fly supposed to be her post-Lyme disease inspirational self-empowerment song? That's what I got out of it anyway. Granted, it's probably not a subject she's finished dealing with. It doesn't have to be another ballad though, just sayin.
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Post by Jack on Dec 1, 2016 19:04:28 GMT
I always envisioned Avril releasing something similar to "Fight Song" by Rachel Platten - a commercial pop song but with meaning. I hope that the lead single of album 6 is not another GF/WTH/HTNGU. I don't expect the sound of it to not be pop in some form or possibly a ballad like Fly, but I hope the subject matter is something more meaningful. After her well publicized battle with Lyme disease it would just look shallow to release another motherfucking princess party song. An inspirational song like KHO would be really good. But even if it ends up being about love or breakups per usual, that's still preferable for me over the party songs. I'd be surpised and extremely disappointed if she didn't release a VERY personal album, considering all the things she's gone through last years. In fact, I think a meaningful/personal song as lead single would be really good for her, not only because she might start to be considered as a "serious" artist but also because she would feel involved and excited to release and perform it on stage. If she wants to throw some "positive" songs showing how she's recovered from Lyme and the divorce and now she's in a happier place (with Ryan possibly), I'm fine with that; but I don't think that's an excuse to keep releasing "bratty" or "party" songs. Sonically, I'd rather she release an album that is as less pop as possible, but I might tolerate some poppier songs for singles if they're done the right way, and not half-assed like GL and especially AL "hitmaker" songs were.
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Post by edd on Dec 1, 2016 20:30:15 GMT
Throwing this out there. I'm all about her working with Twenty-One Pilots. They are a mix of like every genre and make songs about mental health that actually capture what it is like to suffer from mental illness. Not just a smattering of inspirational quotes, set to a pop tune, and a music video with models who try to make you think they have suffered a hard day in their life. I think their lyrical composition and metaphors would really capture what Avril has gone through with her Lyme disease. That's exactly what I think! An album inspired by Twnety One Pilots is all she needs now, they've got the sound and the lyrics, this kinda song fits her style and their songs are meaningful yet fresh. She should get some notes, even if they're like 5 years younger than her. I can totally listen to her singing Heathens, for example. This is the kind of sound that I honestly think that would take her career to another level (of course, inspiration is totally different from copy).
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Post by TomX on Dec 1, 2016 21:09:17 GMT
I'm aware that pop-rock isn't very popular anymore, but I care not. Heck, Avril isn't all that popular anymore, so it's not like she'd lose a lot by doing it. Maybe she'd lose some of her existing fans? Yeah because we're such easy people to please... Come to think of it, maybe AL was supposed to be a 'back to her roots' kind of album, at least with songs like HTNGU, RNR and 17. It just wasn't very well-executed imo. We've discussed AL a million times now and I think a lot of us innately know what's wrong with it. Point is the concept could be done again, only with more consistency, better lyrics, and with instruments that don't sound like they came from a Casio keyboard. You just earned a gold star with that comment
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Post by sammy2010 on Dec 1, 2016 22:36:27 GMT
With AL, you could tell the songs that were probably forced by the label. She tried to grow up, but I think forced into the pop. Hopefully she is allowed to go with music that she really wants.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 1, 2016 22:38:07 GMT
Wasn't Fly supposed to be her post-Lyme disease inspirational self-empowerment song? That's what I got out of it anyway. Granted, it's probably not a subject she's finished dealing with. It doesn't have to be another ballad though, just sayin. Sort of but she wrote Fly long before she ever contracted Lyme and it was released in support of the Special Olympics. It made her performance of it more special with the fact she was ill while singing it but I don't believe the writing or release of it had really much of anything to do with her sickness. I agree they don't all have to be ballads (and that would just be boring and predictable IMO). Self empowerment anthems along the lines of ABO, Who Knows, Freak Out, ICDB, DTM, He Wasn't, RNR (sound wise but less pop), etc. would be awesome for me.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 1, 2016 22:45:48 GMT
I'm not expecting that the entire album is going to be personal, aka UMS 2.0 or GL Part 2. She enjoys having fun and I expect there may be at least a couple songs like that on the album. The label may also force her to have a few songs like that for singles. She tried an all personal album before and got lots of pushback from the label. I just don't envision her being in that place anymore that she'd want to make an extremely intimate album again.
But I do expect that at least maybe half the album or more will be personal songs. And it doesn't matter to me if she makes pop songs as long as the production style is good and not so artificial sounding like AL. The only thing I will be disappointed about is if the first single is GF 4.0. I can't tell you how disappointed I was when I heard HTNGU and thinking she could do so much better. A pop song as lead single is one thing, but at least make it good. GF was excellent IMO. WTH, not as good, but still catchy and overall likeable. HTNGU, while I've grown to like it, is just a bad pop song IMO, bad production, terrible lyrics, and very generic, nothing unique.
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Post by TomX on Dec 2, 2016 4:13:27 GMT
Girlfriend was a masterpiece. No wonder it became one of the most successful songs of 2007 and the first video in history to have 100M views on YT. But, as Andrea said, that was a one-time formula. Ever since then, they've tried to reproduce that same effect again, but have failed enormously to achieve it. And it's all gone downhill: WTH was less successful than GF, and HTNGU was even less successful than WTH. There's no doubt she'll hit rock bottom if they force her to release another generic bland pop song. They should have learned their lesson by now, which is that GF 2.0 will never ever work. Her team is terrible, They've kept making her stick to the "motherfucking princess" persona since 2007, and it is not appealing to audiences. She should start off with a completely new one.New label and new management. That should do the trick, IMO.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 2, 2016 12:58:13 GMT
I agree. The reason GF worked is because it was something completely brand new for her. And it was executed well and she was super passionate about performing it and really sold the "image." Whereas I feel like she phoned it in with WTH and HTNGU because those songs were forced on her and went against her true vision for those albums.
I hope that maybe the label can reach a compromise for a single, something both label and Av are happy with. LA Reid did the same thing to Meghan Trainor, sending her back to the studio, and she came up with NO, which not only became a hit but I assume Meghan enjoys performing that song. She took her anger over being rejected by LA and turned it into this song. Sara Bareilles did the same thing with Love Song when the label wanted her to write a love song and the lyrics literally say "I'm not gonna write you a love song 'cause you ask for it." I wish Avril would do something clever like that, like disguise a message towards the label in a song like NO or Love Song. I kind of always wondered if WTH was.
But anyway, just because the label wants pop songs for radio doesn't mean she always has to play it safe and go for GF 4.0. She's made pop hits before that we're still very unique like Complicated and MHE.
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Post by goodbye on Dec 2, 2016 17:52:11 GMT
Can Avril make a duet with JoJo?
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Post by Red on Dec 2, 2016 18:29:04 GMT
A duet with Sara Bareilles would be great
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