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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 22:21:42 GMT
Gee, you ought run for office, gramps.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 9, 2018 23:16:00 GMT
That was seriously fantastic! So spot on. I have more thoughts on this subject I may add later because I’m on my phone right now. But seriously, every millennial needs to watch this video.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 23:01:34 GMT
While there is some truth in the speech, he's also pulling some pretty false claims. The economy, the job market, the standard of living has taken a beating since the 2008 economic downturn - there's plenty of statistics proving that the late Gen-X and Millennials did take the brunt of the meltdown. Secondly, he is describing the pre-internet/mobile era as some sort of "healthy lifestyle, healthy outlook, healthy social life" utopia, when the statistics show that it was far from sunshine and rainbows. Suicide statistics show that suicide rates in the West used to be higher in the early 80's than now, for example, same goes for alcohol consumption, which had a somewhat similar chart path as suicide rate. Murder rate is also a good indicator of how healthy a society is, and guess what? Yep, charts show the exact same bulge in the 70s-80s period as the previous ones. Rape, domestic violence, non-fatal assaults were also higher in history than they are now. Consequentially, it is not so much that the younger generations are spoiled, but that we got hit by a multi-year reduction and/or stagnation of standard of living, and at the same time entered a world where it is much easier to bring issues to the forefront, hence sometimes inflating relatively minor issues into national debates. I see discontent better than apathy/peace with the situation, because discontent breeds dialogue, and dialogue brings changes and solutions. Yeah, I agree SS. He comes across as the smartest guy in room or a Tony Robbins wannabe. Some of what he said is of course true because it’s true of every generation but he says it with such certitude it started bugging me halfway through.
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Post by katy on Nov 11, 2018 10:53:07 GMT
I hate the “millennial” thing. I was born in 92 and I’d say 99% of things said about “millennials” don’t apply to me lol. Nobody in my school was given medals for taking part. Most people I know barely use social media, we go for walks in the countryside and travel and don’t have to share it with everyone. I turn up to work everyday with no sense of entitlement and don’t need a “purpose”, I just want to earn money to pay the mortgage. I voted for Brexit and I’m not ashamed to say I lean more right than left politically.
“Millennial” doesn’t sum up a generation but the period most people go through in their life when you’re in your early teens and your social media likes are so very important and you think the world owes you a living. Honestly I’m completely sick of the word and the idea that you can sum up everyone born in a wide period of time with the same shitty inaccurate generalisations.
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Post by In Wonderland on Nov 11, 2018 11:19:20 GMT
Great feedback slapstick, @hookster57, BogoGog24, katy. Personally i am terrible to speak up on subjects in English.. But I'll try. I also belive the medal/diploma for participation is very cultural and not common. Never heard of it here - other than treesure hunts for kids were everyone get their candy coin. You may have your parents behind you, but if you want to achieve anything you have to work for it. You cant buy yourself out/to the top. Im outside at least once a day. I might take my phone out to take photos. But that isn't necessarily everytime. Its actually rare. My main intrigue to what he said is patience. How impatient we have grown. Just how fast a news reader is talking in comparison to a news reader from the 70's. How many can't wait for AL6 .. But that being said i think maybe we haven't become more impatient, its is just more vissible with social media etc. Every one gets to complain about anything all the time. And its vissible to everyone who is at the same page. Another fun fact for me, in Norway i see more people 40+ glued to their phones, rather than teens and people in their 20-30s. That you have your phone with you into meetings isnt equal to not being focused on the meeting. It can very well be a tool. Or just turned off. I mean if i want to daydream or be bored of anything i do it without my phone Not taking your phone to a party, going to dinner with friends. If you are so addicted to you mobile device that you have to leave it behind - you have a problem. He has a problem. Have it in your purse. Have it in your pocket. .. In cases of emergency .. the fact that your phone is your wallet .. photo device .. I think that as long as there are suicides, the rates will be high. There should be none. But that will never be the case. I know, cause i use social media my self, i feel less lonely. Its not giving you the benefits of being face to face with another human. Though it gives just enough human interaction to keep the day a bit more soically fulfilled. A bit less lonely. Im not using social media to avoid meeting people. For me its a tool to at all be social in one way or another. As i am bedridden most of the time. And a lot more
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Post by sam on Nov 11, 2018 15:13:53 GMT
I hate the “millennial” thing. I was born in 92 and I’d say 99% of things said about “millennials” don’t apply to me lol. Nobody in my school was given medals for taking part. Most people I know barely use social media, we go for walks in the countryside and travel and don’t have to share it with everyone. I turn up to work everyday with no sense of entitlement and don’t need a “purpose”, I just want to earn money to pay the mortgage. I voted for Brexit and I’m not ashamed to say I lean more right than left politically. “Millennial” doesn’t sum up a generation but the period most people go through in their life when you’re in your early teens and your social media likes are so very important and you think the world owes you a living. Honestly I’m completely sick of the word and the idea that you can sum up everyone born in a wide period of time with the same shitty inaccurate generalisations. Literally this lol I cannot stress enough how alienated I feel by my generation; so much so that I feel out of touch lol - I use social media but I’m not obsessed over it, I don’t think the world owes me anything and I am of the view that hard work is the way to have a good living, not waiting for it to magically fall in your lap. I’m not afraid to voice my political views either (mostly centre-right + support and voted for brexit) but the exception is certainly with people in my age group; so many of them follow these left leaning views (and sometimes, very radical ones) and subscribe to such a ridiculous amount of political correctness and not to mention many of them find anyone whom has a different view to them as intolerable, so I don’t like to talk about political stuff with some of my friends - when I voted Conservative a few years ago my friends were pretty taken aback and spoke to me almost like I didn’t know what I was talking about, I thought it was crazy they all voted labour but I still respected it. And I don’t mean that in a holier than thou sense, but so many of people my age hate if you don’t agree with them. I literally know like one or two people around my age whom have similar views to me; you won’t find many people around our age with views which support some semblance of conservatism or libertarianism etc. Honestly some of my views do lean on the left but I won’t touch it with a ten foot pole. IMO the left has turned into something very, very ugly. It almost makes me feel as if those views are wrong when really all views should be voiced imo regardless of how they make you feel - it’s important everyone has their say. Don’t get me started on the entitlement or the other views the majority of them seem to support. I think it’s insane but I don’t think we should censor them. Just my two cents, probably a garbled mess lol
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Post by slapstick on Nov 11, 2018 15:36:50 GMT
Great feedback slapstick , @hookster57 , BogoGog24 , katy . Personally i am terrible to speak up on subjects in English.. But I'll try. I also belive the medal/diploma for participation is very cultural and not common. Never heard of it here - other than treesure hunts for kids were everyone get their candy coin. You may have your parents behind you, but if you want to achieve anything you have to work for it. You cant buy yourself out/to the top. Im outside at least once a day. I might take my phone out to take photos. But that isn't necessarily everytime. Its actually rare. My main intrigue to what he said is patience. How impatient we have grown. Just how fast a news reader is talking in comparison to a news reader from the 70's. How many can't wait for AL6 .. But that being said i think maybe we haven't become more impatient, its is just more vissible with social media etc. Every one gets to complain about anything all the time. And its vissible to everyone who is at the same page. Another fun fact for me, in Norway i see more people 40+ glued to their phones, rather than teens and people in their 20-30s. That you have your phone with you into meetings isnt equal to not being focused on the meeting. It can very well be a tool. Or just turned off. I mean if i want to daydream or be bored of anything i do it without my phone Not taking your phone to a party, going to dinner with friends. If you are so addicted to you mobile device that you have to leave it behind - you have a problem. He has a problem. Have it in your purse. Have it in your pocket. .. In cases of emergency .. the fact that your phone is your wallet .. photo device .. I think that as long as there are suicides, the rates will be high. There should be none. But that will never be the case. I know, cause i use social media my self, i feel less lonely. Its not giving you the benefits of being face to face with another human. Though it gives just enough human interaction to keep the day a bit more soically fulfilled. A bit less lonely. Im not using social media to avoid meeting people. For me its a tool to at all be social in one way or another. As i am bedridden most of the time. And a lot more You don't have participation trophies up there? I know that over here kids in primary schools have been often getting participation awards already in 80's Yugoslavia and onwards, so if you for example got into a chess or math tournament, you'd either get a gold, silver or bronze medal if you were from 1st to 3rd, then the rest would get a "congratulations on participation on a tournament for the most talented individuals" certificate. Regarding "impatience", I think that while there is a problematic tendency these days that people have very short-spans of attention, there also is the need to live in a fast-paced scheme, because it increases efficiency per unit of time, and the world relies on increasing efficiency, which in economy means increasing productivity, and hence, a positive GDP growth. There's also another non-negligible factor causing people to be rushing all the time - fear of death as a consequence of the fall of religiosity. Back in "Ye olde days" people were pretty uniform in belief that there awaits a grand new world beyond this one, and hence mortality was seen merely as a passage. It hurt, people mourned, but they also knew they are going to be reunited. Technological revolution and new scientific methods that emerged not so long ago made significant dents into the narrative that was built upon the holy scriptures, and consequentially caused a pronounced fall in belief, and this existential crisis was for a time significantly mitigated by emerging nationalism, which provided a new meaning to an individual's life. In the epilogue of WW2, nationalism was in shambles, and Europe was being rebuilt upon "grounds that shall not be based in emotions and the unprovable", but upon rationality and technological advancement. As a result, we have a good standard of living, completely operational and reasonable institutions and agencies, but also a good degree of searching for a meaning, and awareness of "time running out". To squeeze as much as possible from life, you then have to be running on a pretty tight schedule. This sense of "impending doom" hits many many people, even those who are believers. Regarding social media and phones and stuff - yeah, I think the 40-60 group is just as 'obsessed' with social media if not even more than the kids. But like you said, social media is not a curse by itself, its merely a tool that can be misused. I think those who promote "delete facebook" stuff these days are pretty short-sighted, facebook is merely a tool to keep a line of contact with people in a simple and very effective way. Hell, I've got friends with whom I'd lost touch in the pre-internet era 20 years ago, but because of FB I am able to have a chat with them at least once a year. Americans use it to maintain familial ties more efficiently - grandparents that live states away from their grandchildren no longer have to wait for mailed photographs or thanksgiving dinner to see them, they can simply hop on social media to see their pics, and even talk to them through camera. With that said, this form of communication can't be a substitution of face to face communication - those previously mentioned kids still should be trucked to their grandparents on thanksgivings, even though they might talk with granny and pops every other day on skype or facebook or something. Also, you're bedridden most of the time??! That must suck.. I'm sending you a few hello kitties your way, maybe you just need to see the beautiful puss just a few more times to get better, hehe ˇˇˇˇ
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Post by slapstick on Nov 11, 2018 15:40:06 GMT
I hate the “millennial” thing. I was born in 92 and I’d say 99% of things said about “millennials” don’t apply to me lol. Nobody in my school was given medals for taking part. Most people I know barely use social media, we go for walks in the countryside and travel and don’t have to share it with everyone. I turn up to work everyday with no sense of entitlement and don’t need a “purpose”, I just want to earn money to pay the mortgage. I voted for Brexit and I’m not ashamed to say I lean more right than left politically. “Millennial” doesn’t sum up a generation but the period most people go through in their life when you’re in your early teens and your social media likes are so very important and you think the world owes you a living. Honestly I’m completely sick of the word and the idea that you can sum up everyone born in a wide period of time with the same shitty inaccurate generalisations. Now I'm curious, why did you vote for Brexit?
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 11, 2018 15:42:16 GMT
The thing that honestly makes me really sad, maybe this is less a millennial thing and more of a Gen Z thing, is that kids these days are completely obsessed with how many followers and likes they can get. I follow a few Taylor Swift trivia accounts on Instagram, one of which has been doing it for years and built up a solid following because she consistently posts quality content, guaranteed there is always “that” person that spams the comments asking for follows and to check out their account, completely ignoring the person’s post that they worked hard on. It’s just so rude. And they aren’t making an account because they enjoy posting content, it’s just to get attention and people do anything now for follows, whether it’s spamming or buying followers. It’s incredibly sad and shallow.
I admit I am pretty addicted to my phone and social media but it’s mostly because I follow lots of accounts and there’s always new posts to catch up on. I get a bit of anxiety seeing stories that haven’t been opened or emails that haven’t been read, it’s like I need to clear them all even if I don’t watch or read them. I get Facebook notifications as well, there’s like something about the number being there that gives me anxiety and I need to clear it out. However, when I’m at work or driving or with friends, I can leave my phone off. I mostly check stuff in the morning, on my lunch break, and when I get home. Of course Bandaids is also something I largely partake in so I don’t think social media is necessarily a bad thing depending on how you’re using it. I try hard to stay away from Facebook and especially Twitter these days though. Social media used to be a fun place to write funny things or post pictures or funny videos, now everything’s become a sounding board for political opinions. Nobody wants to constantly be reading that shit. Social media used to be a way to escape from that. IMO it’s one of the reasons everyone is so stressed out all the time. Not because of social media itself but because of what people put on it now.
As for the millennial thing, I too hate the stereotypes. There are certainly people that do fit the bill but I’ve personally seen the older generation lump us all together and act like we’re all like that. It’s insulting. But if you try to say anything about it, they think you’re being offended or overly sensitive. It’s a lose-lose situation. And yeah growing up participation trophies were not a thing. Parents could not convince teachers to give their kids an A. We weren’t complimented constantly. That might be true of some places but not for everyone and if anything, all that might be more of a Gen Z thing.
That reminds me of something else that really bothers me. There’s a trend now of kids who want an A or a scholarship and instead of actually earning it, they just need to get a certain number of retweets. Irks me to no end.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 16:33:38 GMT
I gotta ask, Bogo. Do you follow more than 10?
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Post by katy on Nov 11, 2018 17:20:44 GMT
I hate the “millennial” thing. I was born in 92 and I’d say 99% of things said about “millennials” don’t apply to me lol. Nobody in my school was given medals for taking part. Most people I know barely use social media, we go for walks in the countryside and travel and don’t have to share it with everyone. I turn up to work everyday with no sense of entitlement and don’t need a “purpose”, I just want to earn money to pay the mortgage. I voted for Brexit and I’m not ashamed to say I lean more right than left politically. “Millennial” doesn’t sum up a generation but the period most people go through in their life when you’re in your early teens and your social media likes are so very important and you think the world owes you a living. Honestly I’m completely sick of the word and the idea that you can sum up everyone born in a wide period of time with the same shitty inaccurate generalisations. Now I'm curious, why did you vote for Brexit? Many, many reasons but mostly the ability to make decisions about the UK in the UK, and not in European courts, immigration was a major factor - absolutely not against immigration but not at the rate the UK has seen and the freedom of movement is quite frankly dangerous and irresponsible, rights over our own fishing waters to help local fisherman, farmers not having to bow to ridiculous rules, the fact I (in fact nobody in the UK) elected those running the EU therefore they aren’t accountable for any decisions made. I did not however vote for the mess we’re currently seeing - we were given an option of leave or remain and 17 million leave votes should’ve seen a hard brexit. the bodged version we will inevitably end up with isn’t what anyone voted for.
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Post by katy on Nov 11, 2018 17:22:16 GMT
I hate the “millennial” thing. I was born in 92 and I’d say 99% of things said about “millennials” don’t apply to me lol. Nobody in my school was given medals for taking part. Most people I know barely use social media, we go for walks in the countryside and travel and don’t have to share it with everyone. I turn up to work everyday with no sense of entitlement and don’t need a “purpose”, I just want to earn money to pay the mortgage. I voted for Brexit and I’m not ashamed to say I lean more right than left politically. “Millennial” doesn’t sum up a generation but the period most people go through in their life when you’re in your early teens and your social media likes are so very important and you think the world owes you a living. Honestly I’m completely sick of the word and the idea that you can sum up everyone born in a wide period of time with the same shitty inaccurate generalisations. Literally this lol I cannot stress enough how alienated I feel by my generation; so much so that I feel out of touch lol - I use social media but I’m not obsessed over it, I don’t think the world owes me anything and I am of the view that hard work is the way to have a good living, not waiting for it to magically fall in your lap. I’m not afraid to voice my political views either (mostly centre-right + support and voted for brexit) but the exception is certainly with people in my age group; so many of them follow these left leaning views (and sometimes, very radical ones) and subscribe to such a ridiculous amount of political correctness and not to mention many of them find anyone whom has a different view to them as intolerable, so I don’t like to talk about political stuff with some of my friends - when I voted Conservative a few years ago my friends were pretty taken aback and spoke to me almost like I didn’t know what I was talking about, I thought it was crazy they all voted labour but I still respected it. And I don’t mean that in a holier than thou sense, but so many of people my age hate if you don’t agree with them. I literally know like one or two people around my age whom have similar views to me; you won’t find many people around our age with views which support some semblance of conservatism or libertarianism etc. Honestly some of my views do lean on the left but I won’t touch it with a ten foot pole. IMO the left has turned into something very, very ugly. It almost makes me feel as if those views are wrong when really all views should be voiced imo regardless of how they make you feel - it’s important everyone has their say. Don’t get me started on the entitlement or the other views the majority of them seem to support. I think it’s insane but I don’t think we should censor them. Just my two cents, probably a garbled mess lol Completely agree. Some of my friends were horrified i’d voted leave. A woman I work with unfriended me on Facebook over it lmao (oh no!!). I really don’t like how left leaning our generation is. Where i live is a solid Tory town but everyone around my age was voting labour, a mystery to me.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 11, 2018 17:44:36 GMT
I gotta ask, Bogo. Do you follow more than 10? Yes, I follow quite a few accounts. I follow 3 Taylor trivia accounts that all post nearly daily so that alone creates a lot to catch up on.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 11, 2018 17:46:37 GMT
The youth in America is also really left-leaning. I’m personally somewhere in the middle.
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Post by sam on Nov 11, 2018 18:41:27 GMT
Literally this lol I cannot stress enough how alienated I feel by my generation; so much so that I feel out of touch lol - I use social media but I’m not obsessed over it, I don’t think the world owes me anything and I am of the view that hard work is the way to have a good living, not waiting for it to magically fall in your lap. I’m not afraid to voice my political views either (mostly centre-right + support and voted for brexit) but the exception is certainly with people in my age group; so many of them follow these left leaning views (and sometimes, very radical ones) and subscribe to such a ridiculous amount of political correctness and not to mention many of them find anyone whom has a different view to them as intolerable, so I don’t like to talk about political stuff with some of my friends - when I voted Conservative a few years ago my friends were pretty taken aback and spoke to me almost like I didn’t know what I was talking about, I thought it was crazy they all voted labour but I still respected it. And I don’t mean that in a holier than thou sense, but so many of people my age hate if you don’t agree with them. I literally know like one or two people around my age whom have similar views to me; you won’t find many people around our age with views which support some semblance of conservatism or libertarianism etc. Honestly some of my views do lean on the left but I won’t touch it with a ten foot pole. IMO the left has turned into something very, very ugly. It almost makes me feel as if those views are wrong when really all views should be voiced imo regardless of how they make you feel - it’s important everyone has their say. Don’t get me started on the entitlement or the other views the majority of them seem to support. I think it’s insane but I don’t think we should censor them. Just my two cents, probably a garbled mess lol Completely agree. Some of my friends were horrified i’d voted leave. A woman I work with unfriended me on Facebook over it lmao (oh no!!). I really don’t like how left leaning our generation is. Where i live is a solid Tory town but everyone around my age was voting labour, a mystery to me. How dare you have an opposing opinion? Literal human garbage
I have lost quite a few followers on Twitter since 2016 Some friends I think, yet I still follow them; I just laugh at this point. One of my friends retweeted how people can't be friends with opposing politcal views and imo that's just complete nonsense Of course you can, there's more to a friendship than what your own personal views are, jesus christ.
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