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Post by In Wonderland on Nov 11, 2018 22:00:35 GMT
You read Sam's post. Im off to bed. Stay 'friends' - or pm eachother if its to intersting to leave the conversation. I hope to find this thread in a good way in the morning
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 22:29:30 GMT
SS. I like most of your post. They are interesting and funny. That’s why I nominated you for MOTM. But dude, you’re really crossing the line here. Please drop it, and if you felt I was laying some snark on you, well then I apologize.
F5-7.
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Post by slapstick on Nov 11, 2018 23:33:37 GMT
SS. I like you. I like most of your post. They are interesting and funny. That’s why I nominated you for MOTM. But dude, you’re really crossing the line here. Please drop it, and if you felt I was laying some snark on you, well then I apologize. F5-7. Sure thing H, I can roll it all the way back. I can also give you my full thoughts on the gun debate in America. I know that bearing arms carries a symbolic weight in the United States - a honest, hard working farmer, who has built his life on a land that was once wilderness, and is willing to protect his belongings and his other natural/god-given liberties, is a long standing ideal, and then there's the practical usage of weapons, which ranges from hunting animals, protecting livestock from predators, and finally as a mean to protect yourself when the nearest sheriff may be miles upon miles away. From roots, gun ownership has spread into sports, hobbies and all in-between. In America, liberties originate not only from the people as a mass, but from the individual, it all starts at an individual, it all ends at the individual, and hence, the individual has the privilege of having the means to guard himself from injustice, even if the injustice originates in the people, for example in the form of law, and consequentially, it is hard to accept any strict interventionism on gun-ownership by the state, without breaking the spirit of the second amendment. With that said, America also has a mass shooting issue, there's no way around it. The question that poses itself is - how far is it possible or sensible to intervene in the whole matter? Should gun laws remain as-is, while the solution is sought elsewhere, like in more strict surveillance of mental well-being, or should the U.S. go down the route that the rest of the OECD, and try federally increasing control and supervision of arms? State-side interventionism, like in California obviously doesn't work, because there's really no way to prevent illegal arms trafficking from one state into another. If a federal reform is picked, then how far should, or could this arms supervision even reach? an EU/Australia/etc. level of control seems to be out of reach, given the abundance of weapons already in possession of Americans, but would a reduced level even have any notable effects? Anyway, quite a number of people are proposing the opposite - encouraging either open or concealed carry at all times, which would enable "good guys with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun". Does such a principle work? Sometimes it does, there's been cases of prematurely ended shooting sprees. There have also been cases where good guys with guns were mowed down, like in this last massacre in Thousand Oaks, where a deputy sheriff lost his life, or cases where policemen shot at wrong people, like an incident I recall from some years ago in NYC. Consequentially, there is heavy scepticism that a group of armed civilians, over 200 people in the case of Thousand Oaks massacre, could bring a happy ending. If one person pulls a gun to stop an initial shooter, how will the third person who didn't see the prelude determine who to aim for? And who will any subsequent armed civilian aim for? So, 57, these are my thoughts, I hope we can roll this barrel forward in a more constructive way this time around.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 0:12:16 GMT
Except I don’t want to have a gun debate with you Slap. Or a political debate. I come here to escape all dat chit. If I want to roll into existential angst without consulting Neitzsche I’ll cruise over to Twitter. Have you spent much time in the States? You’ve got parts of the narrative wrong. The 2nd Amendment is really all about this: www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond.com/2nd-amendment.html....and not about farmers plinking wayward varmits. Ciao
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Post by slapstick on Nov 12, 2018 9:09:22 GMT
Except I don’t want to have a gun debate with you Slap. Or a political debate. I come here to escape all dat chit. If I want to roll into existential angst without consulting Neitzsche I’ll cruise over to Twitter. Have you spent much time in the States? You’ve got parts of the narrative wrong. The 2nd Amendment is really all about this: www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond.com/2nd-amendment.html....and not about farmers plinking wayward varmits. Ciao ^^ from your own source. 2nd amendment was co-created by more federalist elements, hence the emphasis on a militia, but the core idea around armed citizens is protection of own rights, including regarding possessions. I am a bit puzzled that you say you didn't come here for a "political debate", given that it was you who self-initiated it in the first place. Anyway, whatever floats your boat, have a nice day!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 16:35:07 GMT
While there is some truth in the speech, he's also pulling some pretty false claims. The economy, the job market, the standard of living has taken a beating since the 2008 economic downturn - there's plenty of statistics proving that the late Gen-X and Millennials did take the brunt of the meltdown. Secondly, he is describing the pre-internet/mobile era as some sort of "healthy lifestyle, healthy outlook, healthy social life" utopia, when the statistics show that it was far from sunshine and rainbows. Suicide statistics show that suicide rates in the West used to be higher in the early 80's than now, for example, same goes for alcohol consumption, which had a somewhat similar chart path as suicide rate. Murder rate is also a good indicator of how healthy a society is, and guess what? Yep, charts show the exact same bulge in the 70s-80s period as the previous ones. Rape, domestic violence, non-fatal assaults were also higher in history than they are now. Consequentially, it is not so much that the younger generations are spoiled, but that we got hit by a multi-year reduction and/or stagnation of standard of living, and at the same time entered a world where it is much easier to bring issues to the forefront, hence sometimes inflating relatively minor issues into national debates. I see discontent better than apathy/peace with the situation, because discontent breeds dialogue, and dialogue brings changes and solutions. Seems like I responded to this post from you (and agreed with you)......so who started it? Slap, I see how you want to interpret the 2nd Amendment to fit your narrative, the exact same thing is used here by liberals. You'll notice I didn't say which side I'm on......just reported the history. That's because I don't want to debate someone who lives in a country the size of one of our small states. And that's not snark, it is simple fact. Have you been to the USA? Intimate knowledge of the American Experience may change your views. Look me up when you get here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 16:44:46 GMT
Which one became your boyfriend? Tom, the one who I was best friends with I remember that now. That was a while ago. Congrats!
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Post by slapstick on Nov 12, 2018 20:46:53 GMT
While there is some truth in the speech, he's also pulling some pretty false claims. The economy, the job market, the standard of living has taken a beating since the 2008 economic downturn - there's plenty of statistics proving that the late Gen-X and Millennials did take the brunt of the meltdown. Secondly, he is describing the pre-internet/mobile era as some sort of "healthy lifestyle, healthy outlook, healthy social life" utopia, when the statistics show that it was far from sunshine and rainbows. Suicide statistics show that suicide rates in the West used to be higher in the early 80's than now, for example, same goes for alcohol consumption, which had a somewhat similar chart path as suicide rate. Murder rate is also a good indicator of how healthy a society is, and guess what? Yep, charts show the exact same bulge in the 70s-80s period as the previous ones. Rape, domestic violence, non-fatal assaults were also higher in history than they are now. Consequentially, it is not so much that the younger generations are spoiled, but that we got hit by a multi-year reduction and/or stagnation of standard of living, and at the same time entered a world where it is much easier to bring issues to the forefront, hence sometimes inflating relatively minor issues into national debates. I see discontent better than apathy/peace with the situation, because discontent breeds dialogue, and dialogue brings changes and solutions. Seems like I responded to this post from you (and agreed with you)......so who started it? Slap, I see how you want to interpret the 2nd Amendment to fit your narrative, the exact same thing is used here by liberals. You'll notice I didn't say which side I'm on......just reported the history. That's because I don't want to debate someone who lives in a country the size of one of our small states. And that's not snark, it is simple fact. Have you been to the USA? Intimate knowledge of the American Experience may change your views. Look me up when you get here. Ok, how am I reinterpreting the 2nd Amendment to "fit my narrative"? If you find a good line I'll give you one nice juicy like. What has the size of a country I live in got to do with anything? In what part was I wrong about why gun ownership holds such a high status in the American society? I haven't been to the USA, and it would make a pretty sharp cut into my budget to attempt to get there at this point, but I do frequent /conservative, /thedonald and /askthedonald on reddit often, which are basically an online epicentre of republican voters. I do not claim I know everything, that's why I welcome your input, there's always room for improvement.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 21:25:38 GMT
But then I’d have to debate politics, which I already said I don’t want to do. I will say almost everything you wrote is “your narrative” so it’s subjective, not objective, which is fine if you recognize it for what it is. And what I really mean is don’t judge from afar a society you only actually know from TV, movies and reddit. Especially reddit. That’s where all the nut jobs live! Come see us sometime. Then judge.
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Post by slapstick on Nov 12, 2018 22:06:13 GMT
But then I’d have to debate politics, which I already said I don’t want to do. I will say almost everything you wrote is “your narrative” so it’s subjective, not objective, which is fine if you recognize it for what it is. And what I really mean is don’t judge from afar a society you only actually know from TV, movies and reddit. Especially reddit. That’s where all the nut jobs live! Come see us sometime. Then judge. First I thought Imma just leave a like on this post of yours, but I can't keep my trap shut, so here I am. Praise be, if I manage to get "rich" enough to be able to afford vacations in the USA. Praise be!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 22:25:44 GMT
We’d love to have you! Until your Visa runs out. Then it’s adios amigos.
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Post by 7999 on Nov 13, 2018 20:24:30 GMT
Tom, the one who I was best friends with I remember that now. That was a while ago. Congrats! but the question is do you have that boyfriend now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 22:08:03 GMT
Haha. It’s definitely a scam. They’ve been yanking that post all over here lately. But I agree with your assessment.
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Post by In Wonderland on Dec 7, 2018 22:20:43 GMT
Yes we are aware. Thanks B
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Post by katy on Dec 8, 2018 1:47:24 GMT
I’ve just got back to the hotel from a work-related Christmas party in London and the place was so bloody posh there was a celeb everytime I looked round and strictly come dancing were there so there was paparazzi outside. Surreal.
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