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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 17:43:40 GMT
I don't understand why one album when she was starting out erases all her credibility? I wonder if people forgot that she wrote breakaway when she was around the same age, also darlin. I guess unless they're hardcore Avril fans, they wouldn't know.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Aug 21, 2015 20:50:32 GMT
I doubt Avril contributed all that much to Breakaway though. That was probably the main reason she gave it to Kelly, because she said it didn't suit her. Well, it probably didn't suit her if she didn't really contribute much.
But I do agree as Avril made more and more albums, she definitely proved herself as a songwriter. Most peoples' debut albums are created by the label with little involvement from the actual artist, it's not shocking. Of course when we were all kids when this album was around we probably believed every word that Avril was the primary writer and she was so real and blah blah blah. But who would really still be angry over it 10 years later? At the end of the day, the music business is an industry and they need to sell the product. Even if Avril was just as "pop" and "commercial" as the Britney Spears's of the day, they decided to make her seem "different" and the "anti" by saying she wrote the songs and that she sang live and that she dressed in baggy clothes instead of showing her belly and she played guitar instead of dancing. It made her seem more appealing than if they had made her just like everyone else. That was how they sold the product. Even Avril herself admitted her first album needed to be more pop because it was easier to "break." Again, most artists begin this way. I bet a lot of people don't know that Alanis Morissette began her career by making pop albums. So it's a little ridiculous for this girl to be mad over it when it's something that most artists do, not just Avril. And if you're gullible enough to believe everything a record label tells you, that's on you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 2:26:16 GMT
I don't think it's a secret to anyone that Avril wasn't the main writer on LG. Of course she contributed ideas, but given how young and inexperienced she was there was no way the label would have allowed her to write without some help from the pros. The reason they marketed the album the way they did is because, even if Avril wasn't the primary writer, she was still involved with the creation of the songs unlike other pop artists of that time like Britney, NSynch, and that sort of thing. A cowriter is someone who writes a song with someone else. If they are writing a song FOR another artist they are a songwriter. That is why the prefix "co" is in from of it because they are writing WITH someone else. My wrong. I originally intended to say that a co-writer(of my view) is 'a songwriter who collaborates and "co"-writes a song "with" and "for" another artist'.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 2:57:34 GMT
"And then I woke up one day and realised it was all written by the Matrix [songwriting and production team]. Teenage me still loves that record [Let Go], but why did they sell it like that? I was pissed off that it was being sold as real.”
This girl's 'huge letdown' was definitely caused by Matrix's statement on the press that "they wrote most of the song and Avril just changed a few words."
But wasn't that only about "Complicated"? Wasn't Avril involved with other hit songs, and rest of the tracks from the album, even if they were polished and re-written?
<Complicated> Lavigne is listed as one of the songwriters on this track, but there was some question as to how much she contributed. According to her co-writers The Matrix, they wrote most of the song and Avril just changed a few words. Lavigne insisted that she contributed a lot more to the song, including most of the lyrics and the melody. A huge part of Lavigne's appeal was that she wrote her own songs. This set her apart from singers like Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera, and let Arista Records position her as a singer-songwriter like Michelle Branch and Vanessa Carlton. (songfacts)
Though the Matrix is being talked about in the music business as if it were the pop-rock equivalent of the hip-hop hit-making producers the Neptunes, there has also been a backlash, with some music fans vilifying the Matrix as perpetuators of overproduced generic pop. Lavigne has tried to distance herself from the Matrix, possibly in an attempt to deflect criticism that she is a studio creation unable to write her own hit songs. (www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/05/31/1054177768479.html)
One-time songwriting partner Lauren Christie, part of the hitmaking production team The Matrix ("Sk8er Boi'' and "I'm With You''), suggested in a Rolling Stone article that the singer did little but "change a word here or there.'' Lavigne has insisted the pair crafted the melodies and lyrics together, saying she was deeply hurt by the comments and will never work with the hitmakers again. www.ctvnews.ca/avril-lavigne-s-songwriting-skills-under-fire-1.247325
-> this third article (about Kreviazuk's Contagious) seems to generalize Matrix's old statement - which was imo only about "Complicated" - to all tracks in Let Go era....
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Post by BogoGog24 on Aug 22, 2015 13:41:05 GMT
There is no way of knowing who is right in that situation. The Matrix probably wanted to take credit because the songs became hits, so that other artists would want to work with them. I bet if the songs had flopped, they'd say Avril was responsible. On the other hand Avril wanted to take credit for the sake of her own credibility and for her image. We'll never know how much she really contributed.
I've also noticed that Evan's own song Best Years of Our Lives sounds very similar to a lot of songs they have written together, which makes me question how much she contributed to their songs as well. Although Evan once said she writes most of it and he just helps here and there. But if you compare a lot of her songs to her self written songs there is a huge difference in the style and lyrical quality.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 14:10:28 GMT
I think I read somewhere, that "Avril writes most of the lyrics, while Evan comes up with the melody and music". (maybe it was only about 'Take Me Away', I'm not sure. Evan definitely took a lot of credit for Don't Tell Me)
* I personally never saw the lyrical quality difference between Evan-Avril collab songs like Not Enough and Avril's Remember When.
*Now I see it.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Aug 22, 2015 15:05:59 GMT
How could Evan take a lot of credit for DTM when it was written by Avril? Evan wrote the music, but Avril wrote all of the lyrics and wrote the song before Complicated was even released. There's no way Evan could have written the bulk of that song.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 15:21:28 GMT
Well, maybe for the music. Not the lyrics. This song is about a girl not giving into the pressures of a guy. Avril considers it a 'girl-power' song. (thanks, Amanda - Hueytown, AL)
Avril first wrote this when she met guitarist Evan Taubenfeld. Taubenfeld was just screwing around on his guitar and came up with a beat. Lavigne liked it and began singing some lyrics from a song she was working on.
This was supposed to be on her first album but got pushed off for some other songs. Lavigne later decided to put it on her second album after an unexpected encounter with Limp Bizkit's lead singer Fred Durst. (thanks, Sam - Amesbury, MA, for above 2)
*the original reason that I said that "Evan took a lot of credit for DTM" was only based on one of his interview video, where he says that he was offered his recording contract after Don't Tell Me hit the charts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 15:52:59 GMT
There is no way of knowing who is right in that situation. The Matrix probably wanted to take credit because the songs became hits, so that other artists would want to work with them. I bet if the songs had flopped, they'd say Avril was responsible. On the other hand Avril wanted to take credit for the sake of her own credibility and for her image. We'll never know how much she really contributed. I've also noticed that Evan's own song Best Years of Our Lives sounds very similar to a lot of songs they have written together, which makes me question how much she contributed to their songs as well. Although Evan once said she writes most of it and he just helps here and there. But if you compare a lot of her songs to her self written songs there is a huge difference in the style and lyrical quality.
So, you mean not the songs like "Take Me Away" or "Don't Tell Me", but the songs they co-wrote since TBDT?
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Post by BogoGog24 on Aug 22, 2015 16:46:44 GMT
There is no way of knowing who is right in that situation. The Matrix probably wanted to take credit because the songs became hits, so that other artists would want to work with them. I bet if the songs had flopped, they'd say Avril was responsible. On the other hand Avril wanted to take credit for the sake of her own credibility and for her image. We'll never know how much she really contributed. I've also noticed that Evan's own song Best Years of Our Lives sounds very similar to a lot of songs they have written together, which makes me question how much she contributed to their songs as well. Although Evan once said she writes most of it and he just helps here and there. But if you compare a lot of her songs to her self written songs there is a huge difference in the style and lyrical quality.
So, you mean not the songs like "Take Me Away" or "Don't Tell Me", but the songs they co-wrote since TBDT?
I'm talking about her co-written songs in general versus her self written ones. There's an obvious difference in the quality and sound. Especially when you look at her self-writtens from GL.
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Post by katy on Aug 24, 2015 13:08:22 GMT
Nothing we didn't already know - her self written songs have never been anywhere near the quality of LG. not sure why whoever this band are have brought it up now, other than name dropping for attention.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 13:12:49 GMT
This band is actually well known in my country. A popular rock artist (who just started making synthpop music) from my country was accused by mass media, of plagiarizing one of their song "The Mother We Share," though personally I don't think it's plagiarism, just similar.
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Post by goodbye on Aug 29, 2015 9:47:07 GMT
She didn't wrote the songs on Let Go?
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Post by BogoGog24 on Aug 29, 2015 12:40:33 GMT
She didn't wrote the songs on Let Go? Well she contributed ideas but she wasn't the primary writer as she and Arista tried to make everyone believe back then.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 16:51:52 GMT
F*cking liars! My life is over! I quit!!
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