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Post by StrongSweet on Sept 3, 2015 3:15:00 GMT
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Post by TheRaven on Sept 3, 2015 13:39:00 GMT
It makes sense why Evan would want to write such a public post about it- to bring awareness. Just like Avril brought awareness to Lyme and told people to be careful in the woods and around bugs, and Taylor told everyone to get tested when her mom got breast cancer. It's good for Evan to put his story out there so that maybe if there are others suffering the same thing they might find the strength to tell someone just like he did. I think there are different symptoms of an eating disorder, depending on the nature of the disorder. Anorexic people rarely eat at all and eventually could become unnaturally thin, with bones showing through the skin, and fainting from lack of nutrition. Bulimic people eat but immediately throw up everything they've eaten. If they always go to the toilet immediately after eating that could be a red flag. Then there are binge eaters who overeat. But, this is not to say that everyone who is skinny or eats a lot or whatever necessarily has an eating disorder, so do be careful about that. I get accused all the time of being anorexic simply because I am naturally thin, but I eat several times a day. So physical signs aren't enough to determine an eating disorder. Very well said. A friend of mine is skinny but everyone who knows her, is also aware of the fact that she just loves to eat whenever she's hungry. Which is actually quite often. Sometimes she walks through the door opens her bag and eats her first breakfast. 30 minutes later she might be hungry again, overall it depends on what our days are like, but most people really think she's sick. I on the other side used to be a bit different, eating sweets all the time, hungry or not. So I wasn't think but also not fat. (well, fat enough for the freaking school doctor to tell me I need to lose weight, she should have had a look into a mirror) That somehow ended around 8th to 9th grade (maybe because I'm around different people now), now my family thinks I don't eat enough because of the weight loss that came with only eating when I'm hungry. (I'm still moving in the healthy part of that BMI, always have)
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Post by Dillon on Sept 3, 2015 14:24:53 GMT
I've struggled with weight and body issues growing up, starting around age 10. After then I was always slightly overweight. I was never close to being obese at all, but I wasn't as thin as I wanted to be and so I constantly hated my own body. I always had low self-esteem, was always uncomfortable, and self-conscious. I constantly physically felt the weight as a burden.
I struggled for almost 10 years with this. I wasn't physically unheathy, but I wasn't exactly mentally or emotionally healthy since I had often self-loathing thoughts. But aside from own body issues, I had a good life in the meantime so I was never depressed or generally unhappy. I don't why it was so difficult for me to change things and finally takes steps forward to having a body I could better accept and appreciate, but it wasn't until the latter half of my senior year in high school (roughly a year and a half ago) that I finally started to lose weight and feel better about myself. I still don't believe that I'm at the finish line though. But hearing Evan's story definitely makes me feel better about myself throughout the years. I didn't go through nearly anything as emotionally traumatizing as he did. I'm not saying that I'm better than he is or that I'm glad I can compare myself to him and look better off. I appreciate his hardships in the nicest way possible because they somewhat helped me. I'm sympathetic for anyone who endures similar thoughts or issues concerning their bodies regardless of the severity.
But like theraven said, I too get comments by my family sometimes about my weight (now that I'm thinner than I had been for nearly a decade). Comments like "wow you're really thin" and "did you get enough to eat, are you still hungry?". It rarely ever comes up, but I absolutely hate when someone makes a similar comment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 14:55:03 GMT
I know we're not supposed to compartmentalize these things, because political correctness. I also understand that people with mental illnesses don't follow the same rationalizations that people without them do. But fuck it, I'm asking anyway:-
How do men develop this way of thinking in the first place? I can understand what happens when impressionable young girls [and grown women for that matter] are assaulted with images of unnaturally thin women, but guys? I would have thought the "ideal" male body would look like Chris Hemsworth's or whatever. What's the deal with guys who want to be as thin as possible?
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Post by Dillon on Sept 3, 2015 18:17:51 GMT
I know we're not supposed to compartmentalize these things, because political correctness. I also understand that people with mental illnesses don't follow the same rationalizations that people without them do. But fuck it, I'm asking anyway:- How do men develop this way of thinking in the first place? I can understand what happens when impressionable young girls [and grown women for that matter] are assaulted with images of unnaturally thin women, but guys? I would have thought the "ideal" male body would look like Chris Hemsworth's or whatever. What's the deal with guys who want to be as thin as possible? I don't think eating disorders necessarily have anything to do ideal body images; at least not all cases do. I think that for some people with diagnosable eating disorders, it's not so much that they want a certain idealized body, but that they just don't want to have a certain body type (i.e. an overweight body type). People with eating disorders tend to have misconstrued views concerning their own body, so when or if they shed any fat they may have had, they still see themselves as the person they were and then continue to make the matters worse. Their mentality is damaged so badly that they stop caring about being healthy and instead avoid being anything reminiscent of fat. I think that in some cases, the person stops caring about striving for a healthy body or striving for the ideal body, all they care about is being as far away as possible from the body they had when they were unhappy with themselves. This is just based on what I know about eating disorders and how I think someone would think if they had one. I guess it truly does take one to know one; or understand one, I should say. I'm no expert. But in a general sense not talking about guys with eating disorders, not all guys want to be muscular. I personally have never had a desire to be. Not every guy wants the ideal body (regardless of what this ideal body image looks like). Some people just want to have a body that they feel comfortable in. Kind of like those songs like All About That Bass that try to encourage people to love themselves for who they are. Some people don't mind being big whereas some people wouldn't dream of it, and vice-versa. It's all about personal preference. Some people want a body that the media displays as perfect and some people want the body that they want regardless of what the media portrays.
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Post by avriladdicted7 on Sept 3, 2015 19:26:18 GMT
I know we're not supposed to compartmentalize these things, because political correctness. I also understand that people with mental illnesses don't follow the same rationalizations that people without them do. But fuck it, I'm asking anyway:- How do men develop this way of thinking in the first place? I can understand what happens when impressionable young girls [and grown women for that matter] are assaulted with images of unnaturally thin women, but guys? I would have thought the "ideal" male body would look like Chris Hemsworth's or whatever. What's the deal with guys who want to be as thin as possible? This kind of issues like orthorexia nervosa, fall in the category of paranoia with some kind of trauma in the middle If you think you have this problem, and you think every single fucking day about it during months, years, in a long term becomes an habit that is very hard to break, and starts to drain you mentally The most screwed kinds of paranoia are related with pain, for example you had some kind of health issue in some part of your body, that took quite long to heal and it was painful, you became sorta paranoid, always trying to feel if it's becoming better, or if its still hurting or sensitive, and your are still comparing it to the other side that its equal because your body its actually symmetric You created an habit that it's hard to break and very self-concious, even if it has already passed
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Post by niccolo on Sept 4, 2015 1:39:15 GMT
It's a general misconception that eating disorders are solely based on an image or weight gauge. It normally initiates there, but it becomes an entity of its own and generally becomes a grave issue when th aforementioned habitual aspect of it kicks in. Even in Evan's case, it was clear that though he was unhappy with his weight when he was younger, it was his need for perfection that caused the disorder to flourish, and then his (and I hate to say this) lack of commercial success is probably what enoucraged the obsession- it becomes a sustainable thing that you can "control" and succeed at, a perfect distraction from what's really happening in life. It really should be an outdated idea that eating disorders are only for young girls with fashion magazines. That's like saying only people who don't wear jackets get colds.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Sept 4, 2015 2:57:23 GMT
It's also worth noting that eating disorders are a mental illness. Not everyone who sees a skinny girl in a fashion magazine automatically thinks "I need to go on a diet so I can look like that." Generally the people who are triggered by that sort of thing do so because it's technically a mental illness.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 6:21:28 GMT
It really should be an outdated idea that eating disorders are only for young girls with fashion magazines. That's like saying only people who don't wear jackets get colds. Um, that's not what I'm saying at all. What I find interesting is how the illness manifests in the same way. As "outdated" as it might sound, I would have thought it worked a little differently for guys with eating disorders, but apparently I'm completely wrong about that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 6:55:35 GMT
It's also worth noting that eating disorders are a mental illness. Not everyone who sees a skinny girl in a fashion magazine automatically thinks "I need to go on a diet so I can look like that." Generally the people who are triggered by that sort of thing do so because it's technically a mental illness. Which came first, the chicken or the egg?There are completely sensible reasons for wanting to lose weight, or gain weight for that matter. It's even reasonable to use someone else's body as inspiration. Bodybuilders and other athletes do it all the time. But from what I understand, eating disorders develop when someone's desire to change the way they look gets out of control and becomes an unhealthy obsession, either because they have other issues or a generally distorted view of themselves, and not because they have a preexisting eating disorder per se.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Sept 4, 2015 11:59:14 GMT
It's also worth noting that eating disorders are a mental illness. Not everyone who sees a skinny girl in a fashion magazine automatically thinks "I need to go on a diet so I can look like that." Generally the people who are triggered by that sort of thing do so because it's technically a mental illness. Which came first, the chicken or the egg?There are completely sensible reasons for wanting to lose weight, or gain weight for that matter. It's even reasonable to use someone else's body as inspiration. Bodybuilders and other athletes do it all the time. But from what I understand, eating disorders develop when someone's desire to change the way they look gets out of control and becomes an unhealthy obsession, either because they have other issues or a generally distorted view of themselves, and not because they have a preexisting eating disorder per se. It HAS been officially diagnosed as a mental illness though. That is why it becomes such a bad obsession. People who don't have this disorder can attempt to lose weight by just simply doing healthy amounts of exercising and eating healthier without going overboard, while people with the disorder will go to extremes.
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Post by Dillon on Sept 4, 2015 12:49:35 GMT
It HAS been officially diagnosed as a mental illness though. That is why it becomes such a bad obsession. People who don't have this disorder can attempt to lose weight by just simply doing healthy amounts of exercising and eating healthier without going overboard, while people with the disorder will go to extremes. At first I thought you said "white" people and was like, why is she bringing race into this when it is has nothing to do with eating disorders?
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Post by TheRaven on Sept 4, 2015 13:01:02 GMT
It HAS been officially diagnosed as a mental illness though. That is why it becomes such a bad obsession. People who don't have this disorder can attempt to lose weight by just simply doing healthy amounts of exercising and eating healthier without going overboard, while people with the disorder will go to extremes. At first I thought you said "white" people and was like, why is she bringing race into this when it is has nothing to do with eating disorders? Why does this keep happening? I have the same problem
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 14:01:28 GMT
Owl City's voice is extremely similar to that of Evan Taubenfeld
or is that other way around
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