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Post by Becky on Sept 4, 2015 17:39:20 GMT
EDs are absolutely a mental illness. Like it's been said it could be down to body image, it could be down to being bullied, it could be down to needing to control something in their lives, it could be used as a form of self harm. There are many reasons someone can develop an eating disorder. Of course there will be cases where someone sees a woman/man in a magazine and gains an unhealthy obsession with getting that body, but from my understanding that's a trigger and not a cause. To answer Harvey: yeah I get what you mean, it's not 'common' for a male to want to be as skinny as possible, but they may have been bullied for being fat and it had such an impact on them that they don't see how skinny they are, or like with Evan he was told he had to be skinny to get somewhere, or they've experienced trauma and blame themselves and force themselves to purge (well throw up but medically it's purge I think for an ED) as a 'punishment' for their 'wrongs', as well as many other things. It's hard to know without being in their head. As far as I'm aware, EDs are not just about losing weight, some people eat way too much then make themselves ill when they see the weight they've put on but can't stop, but I'm not an expert. ETA: Mental illnesses can rob you of the ability to think rationally, hence why it can become so bad on top of the other struggles they cause. You can tell someone again and again that their body is fine, but until they see it or believe, let's say, the rational truth, they won't be able to see themselves in a true light. It's not enough knowing, they have to actually believe it too, and that is so frustrating.
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Post by carcass on Sept 4, 2015 19:36:36 GMT
This is so sad, I love Evan
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Post by BogoGog24 on Sept 4, 2015 20:43:13 GMT
EDs are absolutely a mental illness. Like it's been said it could be down to body image, it could be down to being bullied, it could be down to needing to control something in their lives, it could be used as a form of self harm. There are many reasons someone can develop an eating disorder. Of course there will be cases where someone sees a woman/man in a magazine and gains an unhealthy obsession with getting that body, but from my understanding that's a trigger and not a cause. To answer Harvey: yeah I get what you mean, it's not 'common' for a male to want to be as skinny as possible, but they may have been bullied for being fat and it had such an impact on them that they don't see how skinny they are, or like with Evan he was told he had to be skinny to get somewhere, or they've experienced trauma and blame themselves and force themselves to purge (well throw up but medically it's purge I think for an ED) as a 'punishment' for their 'wrongs', as well as many other things. It's hard to know without being in their head. As far as I'm aware, EDs are not just about losing weight, some people eat way too much then make themselves ill when they see the weight they've put on but can't stop, but I'm not an expert. ETA: Mental illnesses can rob you of the ability to think rationally, hence why it can become so bad on top of the other struggles they cause. You can tell someone again and again that their body is fine, but until they see it or believe, let's say, the rational truth, they won't be able to see themselves in a true light. It's not enough knowing, they have to actually believe it too, and that is so frustrating. Yes, there are several different types of eating disorders. This is an internet definition: any of a range of psychological disorders characterized by abnormal or disturbed eating habits (such as anorexia nervosa)This could even mean people that do not necessarily try to lose weight or overeat, but there are some people that are very picky about what they eat and will only eat foods of certain colors or will only eat a certain kind of food (like eating nothing but potatoes). Essentially it is recommended for every adult to each a certain amount of whole grains, fruits and vegetables, meat, etc. every day. If you are eating too much, too little, or not getting in all or most of your food groups, there's something wrong. I have actually heard of people who will only eat foods of a certain color (there was a girl on a TV show that would only eat orange colored foods), or people that survive on a diet of nothing but french fries, etc. There can be all sorts of eating disorders.
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Post by avriladdicted7 on Sept 4, 2015 21:01:59 GMT
EDs are absolutely a mental illness. Like it's been said it could be down to body image, it could be down to being bullied, it could be down to needing to control something in their lives, it could be used as a form of self harm. There are many reasons someone can develop an eating disorder. Of course there will be cases where someone sees a woman/man in a magazine and gains an unhealthy obsession with getting that body, but from my understanding that's a trigger and not a cause. To answer Harvey: yeah I get what you mean, it's not 'common' for a male to want to be as skinny as possible, but they may have been bullied for being fat and it had such an impact on them that they don't see how skinny they are, or like with Evan he was told he had to be skinny to get somewhere, or they've experienced trauma and blame themselves and force themselves to purge (well throw up but medically it's purge I think for an ED) as a 'punishment' for their 'wrongs', as well as many other things. It's hard to know without being in their head. As far as I'm aware, EDs are not just about losing weight, some people eat way too much then make themselves ill when they see the weight they've put on but can't stop, but I'm not an expert. ETA: Mental illnesses can rob you of the ability to think rationally, hence why it can become so bad on top of the other struggles they cause. You can tell someone again and again that their body is fine, but until they see it or believe, let's say, the rational truth, they won't be able to see themselves in a true light. It's not enough knowing, they have to actually believe it too, and that is so frustrating. People aren't born with ED's, people wire themselfs to think into a certain patern, this it's just not ED's Some people just need to grow up a lot, mentally and spiritually, to become mentally more disciplinate, focus and stronger, and to not fall for the easy thoughts They don't realize that it's a chance that many don't have Worring is easy, in a split second you think and worry, in another split second you think and worry, this goes on and on The mind has the power to heal or make you ill, the choice is always yours
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Post by Becky on Sept 4, 2015 21:12:32 GMT
EDs are absolutely a mental illness. Like it's been said it could be down to body image, it could be down to being bullied, it could be down to needing to control something in their lives, it could be used as a form of self harm. There are many reasons someone can develop an eating disorder. Of course there will be cases where someone sees a woman/man in a magazine and gains an unhealthy obsession with getting that body, but from my understanding that's a trigger and not a cause. To answer Harvey: yeah I get what you mean, it's not 'common' for a male to want to be as skinny as possible, but they may have been bullied for being fat and it had such an impact on them that they don't see how skinny they are, or like with Evan he was told he had to be skinny to get somewhere, or they've experienced trauma and blame themselves and force themselves to purge (well throw up but medically it's purge I think for an ED) as a 'punishment' for their 'wrongs', as well as many other things. It's hard to know without being in their head. As far as I'm aware, EDs are not just about losing weight, some people eat way too much then make themselves ill when they see the weight they've put on but can't stop, but I'm not an expert. ETA: Mental illnesses can rob you of the ability to think rationally, hence why it can become so bad on top of the other struggles they cause. You can tell someone again and again that their body is fine, but until they see it or believe, let's say, the rational truth, they won't be able to see themselves in a true light. It's not enough knowing, they have to actually believe it too, and that is so frustrating. People aren't born with ED's, people wire themselfs to think into a certain patern, this it's just not ED's Some people just need to grow up a lot, mentally and spiritually, to become mentally more disciplinate, focus and stronger, and to not fall for the easy thoughts They don't realize that it's a chance that many don't have Worring is easy, in a split second you think and worry, in another split second you think and worry, this goes on and on The mind has the power to heal or make you ill, the choice is always yours Oh I know, I've battled mental illness before and am nearly at the end of my recovery for anxiety It's just incredibly hard to constantly fight your thoughts and carry on down the road to the choice you made to heal, while also having to deal with other people and the rest of life around you at the same time. I can't imagine what it's like for Evan who's famous and have so many people talking about it. I really hope his recovery is as smooth as it can be.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Sept 4, 2015 21:26:26 GMT
I really disagree that people aren't born with this or other mental illnesses and that all you have to do is "change your way of thinking" and you'll be cured. Absolutely not. Some people's brains are born/developed differently, where they do not have the correct amount of hormones needed or don't release them in the correct way and this is how people end up with things like depression and bipolar disorder. It is nothing you can "change" on your own, you need medication to fix the issue.
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Post by Becky on Sept 4, 2015 21:59:45 GMT
I really disagree that people aren't born with this or other mental illnesses and that all you have to do is "change your way of thinking" and you'll be cured. Absolutely not. Some people's brains are born/developed differently, where they do not have the correct amount of hormones needed or don't release them in the correct way and this is how people end up with things like depression and bipolar disorder. It is nothing you can "change" on your own, you need medication to fix the issue. Misconception, I've beaten depression twice without medication. To my knowledge, medication is often a last resort as your brain will become dependent on it and you can suffer severe withdrawal symptoms when you come off of it - in some cases you need to take it ideally for a year minimum. You do need to change your way of thinking, hence why many people have therapy or counselling. Of course it is physical as well - like you said it's an imbalance of hormones in the brain, but many things can affect hormone levels. Things such as a big lifestyle change, the people you spend time with, leaving a toxic environment, and exercising and eating healthily can all change your mental health for the better. These aren't cures, but they definitely can help - as can changing the way you think. There's no one cure fits all unfortunately, and different things work for different people. I'm not an expert - I'm speaking from my own experiences and from reading others', and I'm absolutely not saying some people don't need medication because they do, but you can definitely beat some mental illnesses without medication.
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Post by thyarchery on Sept 4, 2015 22:27:34 GMT
I've been thinking for a while what I was going to write before doing it because I consider this is a serious matter.
First I'm very sorry for Evan, and I'm glad he had the courage and the guts to not only accept his situation, but to publicly speak (write) about it. I also love how sincere his post is, especially how he says that rock bottom is not necessarily something great or almost glorious. It's just when you realize you can't go on anymore. It's also great that his family and friends have supported him so much- although, honestly what kind of family or friends do you have if they don't support you with something like this. I mean, it's a disease. It's just like if Avril's family would have neglected her during the time she was bedridden because of Lyme. If they love you they'll help you to get better as they'd do with any other health problem. I seriously hope he gets better. It's slightly disturbing to think that when I started to follow Avril and her band, I kind of liked Evan because he was a thin boy, just like me- yet he was very cool or so my 12 year old self thought. He never got to be my role model or anything like that, but I remember thinking that after all, he was a thin boy in a cool band and he isn't seem to have any complex about being thin. This was specially significative because I was always an extremely thin child. I never had any illness or eating disorder-not even an allergy to any food- and I actually ate a lot more than most children, but I always was in the borderline of the weight standards for my age. As I grew up, I got even slimmer during my teenage years and some people did believe I had some kind of eating disorder, which was very annoying and insulting to say the least-because, like Andrea says, being thin, even extraordinarily doesn't automatically imply that you're anorexic. And, like Harvey says, I couldn't think of any boy who would want to look like me, it was clear that the "ideal body" for a male was that one of athletes- tall and muscular-and assumed that's what we all boys wanted, just like Harvey pointed out. However, at some point when I was 15 or so we had this girl from our Health Ministry coming to our school and, amongst other things, she told us about eating disorders and that anorexia and bulimia were not exclusive to girls, but that there were also a growing number of boys-yet, significantly inferior to their female counterparts-diagnosed with those disorders. To this day I struggle to understand why a boy would want to be that skinny taking into account the ruling male beauty cannons, but the fact is that some men do want it. So this news are disturbing to me because it means that at the same time I was looking up to Evan because of being skinny, and thinking he was happy with his body, the sad truth is that he wasn't happy at all. And that he wasn't naturally skinny, he was just ill-unlike me, who was naturally skinny and healthy. It's strange, sort of outlandish that I was looking up to someone that looked down on himself- for some reason I also feel I've been being sort of unintentionally cruel myself because, after all, I was another person that he felt like he had to please. Unconsciously, I was one of the infinite minimal, unnamed reasons why he felt so pressured. It's so uncanny to think that I've been using his suffering all this time to feel more confident.
Edited: On the other hand, I also strongly agree with Andrea regarding mental issues. It's not a mere insecurity or something you can "cure" by "changing your way of thinking"or "changing your attitude"- that's like sustaining that people with insomnia just need to relax. It's something that needs medical care and one can not heal himself-it's out of one's reach like it's out of one's reach to heal oneself from a flu. It seems that some people have this idea that eating disorders, amongst other mental diseases they consider "minor"-like depression- depend merely on the patient's attitude and will, unlike "serious" mental diseases like dementia that need medical care. It's not such thing as minor and serious mental diseases and certainly there's no way of self-healing.
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Post by Becky on Sept 5, 2015 0:17:58 GMT
I've been thinking for a while what I was going to write before doing it because I consider this is a serious matter. First I'm very sorry for Evan, and I'm glad he had the courage and the guts to not only accept his situation, but to publicly speak (write) about it. I also love how sincere his post is, especially how he says that rock bottom is not necessarily something great or almost glorious. It's just when you realize you can't go on anymore. It's also great that his family and friends have supported him so much- although, honestly what kind of family or friends do you have if they don't support you with something like this. I mean, it's a disease. It's just like if Avril's family would have neglected her during the time she was bedridden because of Lyme. If they love you they'll help you to get better as they'd do with any other health problem. I seriously hope he gets better. It's slightly disturbing to think that when I started to follow Avril and her band, I kind of liked Evan because he was a thin boy, just like me- yet he was very cool or so my 12 year old self thought. He never got to be my role model or anything like that, but I remember thinking that after all, he was a thin boy in a cool band and he isn't seem to have any complex about being thin. This was specially significative because I was always an extremely thin child. I never had any illness or eating disorder-not even an allergy to any food- and I actually ate a lot more than most children, but I always was in the borderline of the weight standards for my age. As I grew up, I got even slimmer during my teenage years and some people did believe I had some kind of eating disorder, which was very annoying and insulting to say the least-because, like Andrea says, being thin, even extraordinarily doesn't automatically imply that you're anorexic. And, like Harvey says, I couldn't think of any boy who would want to look like me, it was clear that the "ideal body" for a male was that one of athletes- tall and muscular-and assumed that's what we all boys wanted, just like Harvey pointed out. However, at some point when I was 15 or so we had this girl from our Health Ministry coming to our school and, amongst other things, she told us about eating disorders and that anorexia and bulimia were not exclusive to girls, but that there were also a growing number of boys-yet, significantly inferior to their female counterparts-diagnosed with those disorders. To this day I struggle to understand why a boy would want to be that skinny taking into account the ruling male beauty cannons, but the fact is that some men do want it. So this news are disturbing to me because it means that at the same time I was looking up to Evan because of being skinny, and thinking he was happy with his body, the sad truth is that he wasn't happy at all. And that he wasn't naturally skinny, he was just ill-unlike me, who was naturally skinny and healthy. It's strange, sort of outlandish that I was looking up to someone that looked down on himself- for some reason I also feel I've been being sort of unintentionally cruel myself because, after all, I was another person that he felt like he had to please. Unconsciously, I was one of the infinite minimal, unnamed reasons why he felt so pressured. It's so uncanny to think that I've been using his suffering all this time to feel more confident. Edited: On the other hand, I also strongly agree with Andrea regarding mental issues. It's not a mere insecurity or something you can "cure" by "changing your way of thinking"or "changing your attitude"- that's like sustaining that people with insomnia just need to relax. It's something that needs medical care and one can not heal himself-it's out of one's reach like it's out of one's reach to heal oneself from a flu. It seems that some people have this idea that eating disorders, amongst other mental diseases they consider "minor"-like depression- depend merely on the patient's attitude and will, unlike "serious" mental diseases like dementia that need medical care. It's not such thing as minor and serious mental diseases and certainly there's no way of self-healing. I don't think you should feel bad, you didn't know and I think he would find it a compliment that you looked up to him. It's human nature - we relate to those who are like us in some way. It's not a mere insecurity, but you can definitely work on those insecurities. I disagree that there is no self healing, I do think mild cases of some mental illnesses can be self cured. And mild cases do exist. You can get mild depression and anxiety from moving house for example. And for those that can't be self cured (which I do agree, is most), they can certainly be helped and improved by trying to change your mentality. It's not only down to the patient's will, but definitely their fears, worries, traumatic memories, insecurities and all of that need either getting rid of, dealt with or accepted depending on what it is, and the patient themselves has to work on that as well. It is a constant battle. You can be triggered by the tiniest things that you need to keep trying to convince yourself that you are good enough, that you're not useless, that you can do this, that so and so probably isn't judging you, that it doesn't matter what people who you're never going to see again is or isn't saying about you, that things will get better, that hurting yourself is not the answer, that one day you will have the motivation to get out of bed and face the day etc. etc. Medication and/or therapy alone won't get rid of all these constant thoughts. Trying to change your mindset may not make a big difference, but any step forward is a big step in mental illness. However, many/most do need a lot of medical help - but not always medication was the point I was trying to make. Counselling and therapy can also be a massive help if not a cure, and many people seem to try this route before medication, and it is also the route I took. But mental health is such a wide spectrum that not everything falls under the same generalisation. It should be treated in the same way as a physical illness. If you sprain your ankle, you rest and you build it's strength back up again. You don't try and run a marathon then be really hard on yourself for not being able to do it. Mental health is the same, it affects you physically and your strength needs building up again. It needs treating - it won't just disappear.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Sept 5, 2015 0:48:15 GMT
I went through a brief bout of depression a couple years ago (right around the time AL was released) because I was going through a rough personal time, no job, no school, and I felt like I had no life or purpose. My appetite changed, I slept more, I lost interest in things that I once loved- all classic signs of depression. But I spoke to a nun at my church, she advised me not to see a therapist because a lot of people say it doesn't help (that isn't to say it can't help some people though) and instead she had me start volunteering at our church, to make me feel like I had something to do and a purpose. Then I found out about a job opportunity from her to work in a store. Then eventually I went back to school and received a certificate in broadcasting, started an internship last November, and now work there part time. I've gotten so much better since then. So like Becky, I was able to overcome depression without medication and just by doing it on my own. But I think this is also because there was a reason behind my depression. It is normal to feel depressed after losing someone, getting laid off, etc.
Where I believe medication is necessary is the type of depression people can experience for little or no reason at all, and that is simply because their brain does not produce enough of the right hormones. The chemical makeup of their brain is different and therefore the medication makes up for what is missing. Same thing with disorders like bipolar disorder. Anything that is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain really needs to be addressed with medication. Things like eating healthy and exercise certainly can help, but I don't think it fixes the problem entirely.
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Post by niccolo on Sept 5, 2015 5:31:04 GMT
What it comes down to, in actual fact, is that eating disorders are a personal, non-generic experience. It's a taboo, controversial topic to discuss whether or not they are a genetic trait, present at the time of a birth, therefore rendering them inevitable; or whether they are a product of surroundings and experience. There's no right or wrong, no yes or no. Lest we all keep Evan and his health and recovery in our thoughts and acknowledge the personal strength and growth that it must have taken to public admit to this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 8:15:33 GMT
It's a taboo, controversial topic to discuss whether or not they are a genetic trait, present at the time of a birth, therefore rendering them inevitable; or whether they are a product of surroundings and experience. Oh, for sure. And this doesn't only concern eating disorders. I actually posted an interesting link concerning this very point, but I think it got lost in the melee. As for the effectiveness of psychiatric medication, it's an interesting topic, but I have a philosophical problem with taking it. Way too off-topic, way too wordy to get into right now, way too personal to share openly. PM me if you're THAT curious.
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Post by thyarchery on Sept 5, 2015 15:47:54 GMT
I've been thinking for a while what I was going to write before doing it because I consider this is a serious matter. First I'm very sorry for Evan, and I'm glad he had the courage and the guts to not only accept his situation, but to publicly speak (write) about it. I also love how sincere his post is, especially how he says that rock bottom is not necessarily something great or almost glorious. It's just when you realize you can't go on anymore. It's also great that his family and friends have supported him so much- although, honestly what kind of family or friends do you have if they don't support you with something like this. I mean, it's a disease. It's just like if Avril's family would have neglected her during the time she was bedridden because of Lyme. If they love you they'll help you to get better as they'd do with any other health problem. I seriously hope he gets better. It's slightly disturbing to think that when I started to follow Avril and her band, I kind of liked Evan because he was a thin boy, just like me- yet he was very cool or so my 12 year old self thought. He never got to be my role model or anything like that, but I remember thinking that after all, he was a thin boy in a cool band and he isn't seem to have any complex about being thin. This was specially significative because I was always an extremely thin child. I never had any illness or eating disorder-not even an allergy to any food- and I actually ate a lot more than most children, but I always was in the borderline of the weight standards for my age. As I grew up, I got even slimmer during my teenage years and some people did believe I had some kind of eating disorder, which was very annoying and insulting to say the least-because, like Andrea says, being thin, even extraordinarily doesn't automatically imply that you're anorexic. And, like Harvey says, I couldn't think of any boy who would want to look like me, it was clear that the "ideal body" for a male was that one of athletes- tall and muscular-and assumed that's what we all boys wanted, just like Harvey pointed out. However, at some point when I was 15 or so we had this girl from our Health Ministry coming to our school and, amongst other things, she told us about eating disorders and that anorexia and bulimia were not exclusive to girls, but that there were also a growing number of boys-yet, significantly inferior to their female counterparts-diagnosed with those disorders. To this day I struggle to understand why a boy would want to be that skinny taking into account the ruling male beauty cannons, but the fact is that some men do want it. So this news are disturbing to me because it means that at the same time I was looking up to Evan because of being skinny, and thinking he was happy with his body, the sad truth is that he wasn't happy at all. And that he wasn't naturally skinny, he was just ill-unlike me, who was naturally skinny and healthy. It's strange, sort of outlandish that I was looking up to someone that looked down on himself- for some reason I also feel I've been being sort of unintentionally cruel myself because, after all, I was another person that he felt like he had to please. Unconsciously, I was one of the infinite minimal, unnamed reasons why he felt so pressured. It's so uncanny to think that I've been using his suffering all this time to feel more confident. Edited: On the other hand, I also strongly agree with Andrea regarding mental issues. It's not a mere insecurity or something you can "cure" by "changing your way of thinking"or "changing your attitude"- that's like sustaining that people with insomnia just need to relax. It's something that needs medical care and one can not heal himself-it's out of one's reach like it's out of one's reach to heal oneself from a flu. It seems that some people have this idea that eating disorders, amongst other mental diseases they consider "minor"-like depression- depend merely on the patient's attitude and will, unlike "serious" mental diseases like dementia that need medical care. It's not such thing as minor and serious mental diseases and certainly there's no way of self-healing. I don't think you should feel bad, you didn't know and I think he would find it a compliment that you looked up to him. It's human nature - we relate to those who are like us in some way. It's not a mere insecurity, but you can definitely work on those insecurities. I disagree that there is no self healing, I do think mild cases of some mental illnesses can be self cured. And mild cases do exist. You can get mild depression and anxiety from moving house for example. And for those that can't be self cured (which I do agree, is most), they can certainly be helped and improved by trying to change your mentality. It's not only down to the patient's will, but definitely their fears, worries, traumatic memories, insecurities and all of that need either getting rid of, dealt with or accepted depending on what it is, and the patient themselves has to work on that as well. It is a constant battle. You can be triggered by the tiniest things that you need to keep trying to convince yourself that you are good enough, that you're not useless, that you can do this, that so and so probably isn't judging you, that it doesn't matter what people who you're never going to see again is or isn't saying about you, that things will get better, that hurting yourself is not the answer, that one day you will have the motivation to get out of bed and face the day etc. etc. Medication and/or therapy alone won't get rid of all these constant thoughts. Trying to change your mindset may not make a big difference, but any step forward is a big step in mental illness. However, many/most do need a lot of medical help - but not always medication was the point I was trying to make. Counselling and therapy can also be a massive help if not a cure, and many people seem to try this route before medication, and it is also the route I took. But mental health is such a wide spectrum that not everything falls under the same generalisation. It should be treated in the same way as a physical illness. If you sprain your ankle, you rest and you build it's strength back up again. You don't try and run a marathon then be really hard on yourself for not being able to do it. Mental health is the same, it affects you physically and your strength needs building up again. It needs treating - it won't just disappear. That is the key. There are degrees in being mentally ill, just like there are in any other diseases- what I meant is that there are not "lesser" diseases themselves. Anyways, I do think you always need someone else to help you, be it your lover, your friends, your family or a doctor, and of course that it needs active collaboration on the side of the patient. Anyways it's clear you know much more than I do, so I cannot but agree
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Post by Becky on Sept 5, 2015 16:33:05 GMT
I don't think you should feel bad, you didn't know and I think he would find it a compliment that you looked up to him. It's human nature - we relate to those who are like us in some way. It's not a mere insecurity, but you can definitely work on those insecurities. I disagree that there is no self healing, I do think mild cases of some mental illnesses can be self cured. And mild cases do exist. You can get mild depression and anxiety from moving house for example. And for those that can't be self cured (which I do agree, is most), they can certainly be helped and improved by trying to change your mentality. It's not only down to the patient's will, but definitely their fears, worries, traumatic memories, insecurities and all of that need either getting rid of, dealt with or accepted depending on what it is, and the patient themselves has to work on that as well. It is a constant battle. You can be triggered by the tiniest things that you need to keep trying to convince yourself that you are good enough, that you're not useless, that you can do this, that so and so probably isn't judging you, that it doesn't matter what people who you're never going to see again is or isn't saying about you, that things will get better, that hurting yourself is not the answer, that one day you will have the motivation to get out of bed and face the day etc. etc. Medication and/or therapy alone won't get rid of all these constant thoughts. Trying to change your mindset may not make a big difference, but any step forward is a big step in mental illness. However, many/most do need a lot of medical help - but not always medication was the point I was trying to make. Counselling and therapy can also be a massive help if not a cure, and many people seem to try this route before medication, and it is also the route I took. But mental health is such a wide spectrum that not everything falls under the same generalisation. It should be treated in the same way as a physical illness. If you sprain your ankle, you rest and you build it's strength back up again. You don't try and run a marathon then be really hard on yourself for not being able to do it. Mental health is the same, it affects you physically and your strength needs building up again. It needs treating - it won't just disappear. That is the key. There are degrees in being mentally ill, just like there are in any other diseases- what I meant is that there are not "lesser" diseases themselves. Anyways, I do think you always need someone else to help you, be it your lover, your friends, your family or a doctor, and of course that it needs active collaboration on the side of the patient. Anyways it's clear you know much more than I do, so I cannot but agree I absolutely agree and always stand by this. And I only know about my experiences and from hearing others - I do think it's such a difficult subject to understand that there isn't always a 'right' or 'wrong' when battling mental illness as each case is so specific/personal. And yeah I wish people would stop 'ranking' them - same goes with some physical illnesses as well. From my knowledge, all mental illnesses can be fatal. I really wish it was more talked about and understood. BogoGog24, I'm sorry I misunderstood you - I thought you were saying that certain mental illness could only be treated with medication. I'm glad volunteering helped you And yes, I can see therapy being completely unless to someone who is mentally ill for no psychological reason - there would be nothing to explore or problems to find - I think it's really useful to go over past traumas etc. And yeah exercise etc. won't fix it by any means (well, perhaps a very mild case), but I do think it definitely helps with self esteem etc, and so can help with the bigger picture a little. I completely agree with your post
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Post by StrongSweet on Sept 6, 2015 14:03:19 GMT
We can see discrimination really influence somebody's life, so everyone has responsibility to stop it whether you are the one or the watching one.
Now I could see why did Avril play the songs they wrote together and the videos they were together on the tour. I wonder when did Avril knew this or she doesn't even know
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