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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 15:57:16 GMT
I can't be arsed to have this conversation in two separate threads, so I'm just quoting everyone here:- I'm not saying that I'd condone her behavior if all this turns out to be true, but the problem with some of you guys is that you've built Avril up to be this paragon of virtue, and no person in the real world could possibly live up to those standards. That's the impression I get when I read things like this, anyway. :/ I think most of us know Avril isn't perfect. But knowingly cheating with somebody else's boyfriend? That's just low and there's no excuse for it (if that did actually happen). Avril has never presented herself as "one of those girls" even when she wrote a song about it, she stated she'd never really do something like that. There's being imperfect like sometimes she doesn't give her best performing or she wears a dress when she says she won't. Stealing someone's boyfriend is a moral wrong, not a mistake or being imperfect. I don't mean to sound condescending, but adult relationships are complicated things. Morality comes in subtle shades of grey, and things are never pure black or white. Besides, we know hardly any details about any of this. It's all hearsay and speculation right now. I think it's way too early to be having this discussion, if there's anything to discuss.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 18, 2015 16:04:22 GMT
I think most of us know Avril isn't perfect. But knowingly cheating with somebody else's boyfriend? That's just low and there's no excuse for it (if that did actually happen). Avril has never presented herself as "one of those girls" even when she wrote a song about it, she stated she'd never really do something like that. There's being imperfect like sometimes she doesn't give her best performing or she wears a dress when she says she won't. Stealing someone's boyfriend is a moral wrong, not a mistake or being imperfect. I don't mean to sound condescending, but adult relationships are complicated things. Morality comes in subtle shades of grey, and things are never pure black or white. Besides, we know hardly any details about any of this. It's all hearsay and speculation right now. I think it's way too early to be having this discussion, if there's anything to discuss. Well yeah I mean I did say the lines could have gotten blurred somewhere where maybe Ryan and Katie were on a temporary break or something and he started seeing Avril. IDK but I'm just saying if Avril 100% knew Ryan was with someone and did him anyway that's real low and I would lose a lot of respect for her. Just because it "happens" doesn't make it ok. We all obviously think she's better than that and would never expect her to do something like that.
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Post by Sk8ergirl2298 on Nov 18, 2015 16:05:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 16:09:57 GMT
I don't mean to sound condescending, but adult relationships are complicated things. Morality comes in subtle shades of grey, and things are never pure black or white. Besides, we know hardly any details about any of this. It's all hearsay and speculation right now. I think it's way too early to be having this discussion, if there's anything to discuss. Well yeah I mean I did say the lines could have gotten blurred somewhere where maybe Ryan and Katie were on a temporary break or something and he started seeing Avril. IDK but I'm just saying if Avril 100% knew Ryan was with someone and did him anyway that's real low and I would lose a lot of respect for her. Just because it "happens" doesn't make it ok. We all obviously think she's better than that and would never expect her to do something like that. Well I hope she wouldn't. But I can't expect any kind of behavior from a virtual stranger. Does that make sense?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 17:01:39 GMT
^ Um, "Girlfriend"? TBDT is tbh not a lyrically consistent album. Haha true. If we're going to use Avril songs as a representation of her personality, we really have to look at the whole picture.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 18, 2015 17:25:52 GMT
Well yeah I mean I did say the lines could have gotten blurred somewhere where maybe Ryan and Katie were on a temporary break or something and he started seeing Avril. IDK but I'm just saying if Avril 100% knew Ryan was with someone and did him anyway that's real low and I would lose a lot of respect for her. Just because it "happens" doesn't make it ok. We all obviously think she's better than that and would never expect her to do something like that. Well I hope she wouldn't. But I can't expect any kind of behavior from a virtual stranger. Does that make sense? It does make sense but naturally a lot of us feel like we "know" her to some extent because of her interviews and things like that. Of course we don't know everything about her and there's probably stuff about her/her life she's never shared. But I think to some extent we feel like we know her character and what kind of person she is, what she values. Well I just hope this situation isn't as messy as it sounds. Who knows, Avril has been talking a lot lately about friends being there for her and maybe Ryan is just one of those people. I don't care if they're dating, living together (even though I think ultimately it's a bad idea) I just hope there was no cheating going on. This is how her relationship with Chad started and look how that turned out. If Ryan and his GF were on a break or he lied about his relationship status to Avril, then Avril did nothing wrong. It would be on him.
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Post by Stephanie ❜. on Nov 19, 2015 4:47:47 GMT
As gorgeous as she is, Brody is the only guy she dated that's as good looking as she is. Other guys are just . The worst guy she dated. Same. I never really liked him for some reasons. I still can't picture her with anybody else but Deryck.
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Post by vancityblackstar on Nov 19, 2015 7:30:30 GMT
How about the media wants you to believe theyre a couple because thats persuasive journalism. These are all trashy, rediculous sources. They want you to read the article.. pay attention. I doubt anyone keeps up with Avril as consistently as we do and so it doesn't really matter what we assume or say. In one of the photos avril is STILL wearing her wedding ring. Notice how no one noticed or bothered to bring that up?
Sorry - I am tired and cranky. If this seemed batchy.. it probably was.
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Post by Yolandi on Nov 20, 2015 5:58:40 GMT
I am certainly hoping that they are not dating...
About the cheating...well I also do not approve if it is true. But he could have left his gf for Avril without actually all out cheating first, as in sleeping together etc. That could be the case if they are dating, at least I hope that's how it happened. Regardless any relationship woukd be a bad idea now...she just broke up with Chad! But they might not even be dating at all! Although it all looks pretty suspicious...
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Post by ⋆niki⋆ on Nov 20, 2015 7:57:37 GMT
As sources say, Avril's marriage was already dead a couple of months ago, they had a bad sex life, Chad was always elsewhere, on tour, and who knows, and probably he cheated Avril. Last months she was dating a girl, right? When you sleep someone under one roof, and it's "one of your best boy friends" and you are in a bad relationship and in a really bad mood and you need some love or someone to comfort you, because life sucks, it's really easy to make mistakes like cheating.
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Post by elina on Nov 20, 2015 8:30:44 GMT
Even if you don't have a problem with dating someone who's still in a relationship, you have to be aware that a recent breakup means the new relationship is very unlikely to succeed. But then, Avril is probably just looking for company right now -- she obviously isn't good at living alone, and it's difficult to have sex safely with strangers, so a sex buddy who is nice to hang out with is a good solution to spend your time when you aren't yet ready for a long-term relationship. Although I think that you can't really get over a breakup/divorce if you jump right into a new relationship even if you see it as temporary, but that's just me.
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Post by Cookie Monster on Nov 20, 2015 13:44:54 GMT
^ Whoa, whoa, wait. Avril Lavigne was born a Roman Catholic, and even if she is not on the faithful side, she is still from a deeply religious family. Really, sex buddy? No, I don't think so.
Even if this roommate thing develops into a sexual relationship, it doesn't mean that she had wanted Cabrera to live with her because she wanted something you people call a "fuck buddy." Know what I mean? And even if it this situation develops into something romantic, it doesn't indicate that they were dating since the first day Ryan Cabrera moved into Avril's house, nor that Avril stole Ryan Cabrera from her girlfriend.
I'm using the word "DEVELOPING". It's highly possible that this roommate situation would end up to become something either sexual or romantic in the future, but it doesn't mean that they have been dating/having sexual relationships since Halloween, nor that they consciously intended to develop their relationship in the first place.
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Post by Dillon on Nov 20, 2015 22:45:55 GMT
^ Whoa, whoa, wait. Avril Lavigne was born a Roman Catholic, and even if she is not on the faithful side, she is still from a deeply religious family. Really, sex buddy? No, I don't think so. Even if this roommate thing develops into a sexual relationship, it doesn't mean that she had wanted Cabrera to live with her because she wanted something you people call a "fuck buddy." Know what I mean? And even if it this situation develops into something romantic, it doesn't indicate that they were dating since the first day Ryan Cabrera moved into Avril's house, nor that Avril stole Ryan Cabrera from her girlfriend. I'm using the word "DEVELOPING". It's highly possible that this roommate situation would end up to become something either sexual or romantic in the future, but it doesn't mean that they have been dating/having sexual relationships since Halloween, nor that they consciously intended to develop their relationship in the first place. It seems like you're saying that Avril would be incapable of having a friends-with-benefits/strictly sexual relationship because she is Catholic or comes from a Catholic family. If so, that it completely wrong. Being Catholic does not restrict someone from living that lifestyle. It is discriminatory to say that a Catholic is limited to one kind of lifestyle and cannot do any wrong. I don't know if that's what you were implying, but that's what is seems like.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 21, 2015 1:04:55 GMT
^ Whoa, whoa, wait. Avril Lavigne was born a Roman Catholic, and even if she is not on the faithful side, she is still from a deeply religious family. Really, sex buddy? No, I don't think so. Even if this roommate thing develops into a sexual relationship, it doesn't mean that she had wanted Cabrera to live with her because she wanted something you people call a "fuck buddy." Know what I mean? And even if it this situation develops into something romantic, it doesn't indicate that they were dating since the first day Ryan Cabrera moved into Avril's house, nor that Avril stole Ryan Cabrera from her girlfriend. I'm using the word "DEVELOPING". It's highly possible that this roommate situation would end up to become something either sexual or romantic in the future, but it doesn't mean that they have been dating/having sexual relationships since Halloween, nor that they consciously intended to develop their relationship in the first place. ^ Whoa, whoa, wait. Avril Lavigne was born a Roman Catholic, and even if she is not on the faithful side, she is still from a deeply religious family. Really, sex buddy? No, I don't think so. Even if this roommate thing develops into a sexual relationship, it doesn't mean that she had wanted Cabrera to live with her because she wanted something you people call a "fuck buddy." Know what I mean? And even if it this situation develops into something romantic, it doesn't indicate that they were dating since the first day Ryan Cabrera moved into Avril's house, nor that Avril stole Ryan Cabrera from her girlfriend. I'm using the word "DEVELOPING". It's highly possible that this roommate situation would end up to become something either sexual or romantic in the future, but it doesn't mean that they have been dating/having sexual relationships since Halloween, nor that they consciously intended to develop their relationship in the first place. It seems like you're saying that Avril would be incapable of having a friends-with-benefits/strictly sexual relationship because she is Catholic or comes from a Catholic family. If so, that it completely wrong. Being Catholic does not restrict someone from living that lifestyle. It is discriminatory to say that a Catholic is limited to one kind of lifestyle and cannot do any wrong. I don't know if that's what you were implying, but that's what is seems like. You're actually both completely wrong. Avril did not grow up Catholic, her family is/was Baptist. And Avril has said a long time ago she doesn't consider herself to be a "religious" person anymore, but rather "spiritual." I see her mentioning God a lot since her illness so perhaps she's turned back to her faith to help her through but I don't think she currently is or ever has been strict about following religious rules. Also, it actually IS against the Catholic Church to have premarital sex or purely sexual relationships. That's not to say all Catholics follow this rule or follow every rule according to Catholicism, but the Catholic Church does frown upon that kind of "lifestyle" for sure. I imagine Baptists are the same way. All that being said I'd really hope Avril was looking for companionship or something more meaningful than just a "fuck buddy." I think she really just hates being alone and maybe that's why they became "roommates." Avrils in that big house all by herself and Ryan had nowhere to go.
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Post by Cookie Monster on Nov 21, 2015 6:17:44 GMT
^ Whoa, whoa, wait. Avril Lavigne was born a Roman Catholic, and even if she is not on the faithful side, she is still from a deeply religious family. Really, sex buddy? No, I don't think so. Even if this roommate thing develops into a sexual relationship, it doesn't mean that she had wanted Cabrera to live with her because she wanted something you people call a "fuck buddy." Know what I mean? And even if it this situation develops into something romantic, it doesn't indicate that they were dating since the first day Ryan Cabrera moved into Avril's house, nor that Avril stole Ryan Cabrera from her girlfriend. I'm using the word "DEVELOPING". It's highly possible that this roommate situation would end up to become something either sexual or romantic in the future, but it doesn't mean that they have been dating/having sexual relationships since Halloween, nor that they consciously intended to develop their relationship in the first place. It seems like you're saying that Avril would be incapable of having a friends-with-benefits/strictly sexual relationship because she is Catholic or comes from a Catholic family. If so, that it completely wrong. Being Catholic does not restrict someone from living that lifestyle. It is discriminatory to say that a Catholic is limited to one kind of lifestyle and cannot do any wrong.
I don't know if that's what you were implying, but that's what is seems like. I was born & raised Catholic. If one calls oneself Catholic but lives that lifestyle, then he/she is definitely a hypocrite. Better off with no religion, if one wants to live like that. Before you say something is a biased stereotype, you should first be knowledgeable about that "something," not just believe that there are exceptions in everything.
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