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Post by Dillon on Jun 19, 2021 19:57:49 GMT
Since there is basically no information about Red TV yet, aside from the cover, release date, and track count, When she finally begins revealing more details, I would love to know her reasoning behind why she felt this album needed to be next.
She explained Fearless very well, it was her breakthrough album, she entered somewhat into pop territory as well as international territory, it was her first album to headline and tour for herself and really get the chance to evolve her relationship with her fans.
Yes, Speak Now was a big deal for her as it was all solely written, aside from one bonus track. But maybe she felt Red was the next big turning point in her career after Fearless. The Debut and Speak Now are both meaningful to her, but perhaps she feels the bigger milestone moment albums need to go first. It’ll be interesting to hear her reasoning.
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Post by Dillon on Jun 19, 2021 17:26:30 GMT
While I would prefer not to wait 5 months for the album, and could fully appreciate it sooner than that, I think that for a lot of people, it would be too much too soon.
Lover to Folklore to Evermore to Fearless TV slowly lessened the gaps between and some people say it wasn’t enough time for them to fully appreciate each. So I’d say in the respect, it makes sense why there will be 7 months between Fearless and Red.
And with physical sales not counting until they are shipped (possibly just vinyls and this tule doesn’t apply to CDs), this may give her enough time to ensure physical versions of the album are ready to be shipped during release week. It gives people more time to be able to afford the next album, as well as merch for those who like to purchase merch.
And I think she would have waited a while longer to announce it, but she probably knew the fan base was going crazy over convincing themselves 1989 was next and would be during the summer. So while there’s a 5 month wait between announcement and release, she puts fans at ease. This early announcement may be why she hasn’t released any further details about the track list. She may want to wait until closer to release to draw back attention to it and hype it.
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Post by Dillon on Jun 19, 2021 3:48:04 GMT
Safe & Sound was released only a month after Ours was released as a single. So I think that both Hunger Games songs still tail the end of the Speak Now era. She was still touring Speak Now then and even performed each song at least once during the final leg of the tour.
And her phrasing “30 songs that were meant to go Red” is so fickle. Because I would think that would automatically take away any chance of a non-album single being included. And that’s also why I think there will only be the 10 minute version of ATW, because the way she phrased that sentence would mean she would have originally wanted two versions of that song on the original album, which I don’t think is true. I would say she originally wanted only the 10 minute version but cut it down to allow it fit. Which would result in one version on the re-recording.
So yes, she wants the re-recordings to match as much as possible, but at the same time, she’s marketing them as “Taylor’s Version” with intent on giving the fans the larger picture she envisioned for each album. So if there was something about the creation, writing, or production of a song that she didn’t exactly want or get the final say on, that she would be okay with making that aspect different on the re-recording. I think Taylor’s version of ATW is 10 minutes long and Big Machine wanted their 5 minute version.
And if Babe and Better Man weren’t already decided against for the original album by the time she cut her list of songs down to 30, then I can see them being included. But I think it’s possible they were cut from list before she got to those 30.
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Post by Dillon on Jun 19, 2021 0:20:29 GMT
Some fans online were thinking that the Hunger Games tracks wouldn't be on it due to not being under the BMR label. We know Today Was A Fairytale was under BMR, but her song Crazier was under Disney. But everywhere online that I've seen shows BMR as the label for the Hunger Games tracks. Nevertheless, if they are to be included on a TV album, I think she would put those with Speak Now rather than Red, as they were released within the Speak Now era. I don't expect them to be on Red.
And I think Sweeter Than Fiction would be included on Red. This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think it fits Red more than 1989. Not only was it's release within the Red era, but I think it's sound is closer to the few pop songs on Red than it is to anything on 1989.
I don't think Better Man or Babe will be recorded, as she gave those up, and out of respect for those artists, she would stick to only performing those songs live. As far as songs that she's written but released herself, I would love for her to record You'll Always Find Your Way Back Home. I doubt that song was an album reject, and probably more-so written specifically for that movie, but it would still be so cool to her sing on that song.
And technically she has not revealed which song in particular will be the 10-minute long song, but it's highly doubtful that it will be any other song than ATW. And I think it will be the only version of the album, rather than have a 5 minute and 10 minute version on the same album.
With her wording "This will be the first time you hear all 30 songs that were meant to go on Red." it makes me skeptical that any soundtrack songs will be included, as they don't fit the bill as originally "meant to be on Red".
I expect to see the original 16 tracks + the 3 deluxe tracks + State Of Grace (Acoustic) + Sweeter Than Fiction + Ronan + 8 Vault Tracks
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Post by Dillon on Jun 2, 2021 23:25:35 GMT
If Scooter and BMR still had direct control over her masters and hadn't sold them, does anyone think they would have released the demos of the vault songs to compete with the re-recorded albums?
I don't think Shamrock would have any intention in doing such a thing.
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Post by Dillon on Jun 1, 2021 2:51:27 GMT
^ Their discussion about vault song speculation for the debut re-recording was interesting. Most of the leaked unreleased material/songs are from the debut era or before the debut era. So, just as 4 out of the 6 vault songs on Fearless were previously known to people who have heard Taylor's leaked unreleased, any vault songs to be put on the debut Taylor's Version will most likely be songs that some fans already know.
I have heard some of the leaked unreleased songs. Out of the songs I have heard, "I'd Lie" would be cool because it's a fan favorite among the OG fans from back when she used to perform it live, and it would be nice for it to finally have justice with an official release. It sounds like it fits on the album perfectly. However, I believe it may have been posted on either her website or myspace page back in the day, so we do have a good quality recording of the song. So it won't be a complete miss if it is not included on the re-recording. I believe the reason it did not get released back in the day was due to the similarities it had to other song's melodies. With BMR being a brand new label then, they probably didn't have the money or means to release it despite the similarities. But with Taylor's current situation and being as accomplished as she is, I think it's possible she could release it now and just give writing credits to whoever wrote the songs that have a similar melody - just as she did with LWYMMD.
Diary Of Me would be another awesome song to be included as a vault song. It is probably my favorite unreleased song I have heard of Taylor's.
Overall, if we do get vault songs for the debut re-recording, I hope they are songs that didn't have a full studio demo leak, because even though they would be better quality, they wouldn't be as fulfilling as a completely unheard song. I know there are a lot of unreleased songs that leaked that did not have studio demos, but were just acoustic guitar recordings of poor quality. So any of those types of songs would still fare well. And Taylor could always pull out old songs that have never seen the light of day; I'd say it's possible she could use songs that didn't even have demos for the album, and were just written on paper or had a voice memo.
Fortunately I don't believe a large portion of the fanbase has heard the leaked material, so regardless of what songs could end up as vault songs, most fans should get the experience of a brand new song. And fortunately for Taylor, over time the leaks stopped. I think one song that leaked is believed to be from the Speak Now era, but other than that song, I don't think any songs from Speak Now onward have leaked. I really hope all the albums get vault songs.
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Post by Dillon on May 18, 2021 0:55:22 GMT
New video. Showcases a lot more of the song and production of Wildest Dreams TV than the trailers did.
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Post by Dillon on Apr 29, 2021 23:41:13 GMT
I have never fed into this theory. Considering what started it - the theorized title of the third album "woodvale" - woodvale just didn't feel like a legitimate album title. To me it seems much more likely that Taylor was being truthful when she said woodvale was a place holder for the folklore album artwork.
Besides, I just don't believe Taylor would lie directly like that. I think if woodvale was a real third album, then she would have danced around the question about it rather than make up a whole lie to throw us off track. Like she could've just said, I hid that word there just to see if the fans are paying attention, which wouldn't have been a lie, but it wouldn't have fed into the theory either.
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Post by Dillon on Apr 27, 2021 0:56:39 GMT
Has anyone else always been confused by or disliked the back and forth between different perspectives in Forever & Always?
In the verse, the narrator is talking to the guy: "Once upon a time, I believe it was a Tuesday when I caught your eye And we caught onto something I hold onto the night, you looked me in the eye and told me you loved me"
Then in the chorus, the narrator switches to talking about the guy in third person: "And I stare at the phone, he still hasn't called And then you feel so low you cant feel nothing at all And you flashback to when he said, Forever and always"
But mid-chorus, the narrator switches back to talking to the guy: "Oh, and it rains in your bedroom Everything is wrong It rains when you're here and it rains when you're gone 'Cause I was there when you said, Forever and always"
The inconsistency has always drove me nuts, because it doesn't make any sense to me why the perspective keeps changing
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Post by Dillon on Apr 10, 2021 17:36:09 GMT
My only thinking on that, was that she had taken her music off of streaming in the past, which she wouldn’t have owned them then either, but was still able to make that move. Plus I know she has control over licensing the music to movies and tv shows, etc correct? So she can actively keep the original songs from those types of media.
So I thought she may have the ability to keep the originals off of streaming. If she does have the ability, I doubt she would do it before the re-recording were released.
And because music videos give users a different experience…most not using them just for the song but actually wanting to watch the video, I would think that if she were to remove the original albums from streaming, she would keep the music videos on YouTube.
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Post by Dillon on Apr 10, 2021 15:18:36 GMT
Does anyone think she will take the originals off of streaming once their re-recording counterparts are released?
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Post by Dillon on Apr 8, 2021 2:27:01 GMT
The way she sings "time" in the phrase "Mr. always at the right place at the right time, baby" reminds me of the way sings the final chorus of You Belong With Me in most of her performances. My listen of the song, I kept thinking it sounded familiar.
The start of the last chorus about 3:10...
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Post by Dillon on Apr 4, 2021 5:50:16 GMT
I’ve heard of We Were Happy. I believe it was a full studio demo that floated around. And I’ve heard of That’s When as well; I believe it was just an acoustic demo that floated around of it. The remaining three vault songs I have never heard those titles before.
I’m not so sure she took into much consideration which songs could’ve been heard from leaked demos. I don’t think this would’ve been reason enough for her to leave it off the re-recording anyway. Because she said this version of the album was her chance to give us the full picture of what Fearless was meant to be. To me, that sounds like all 6 vault songs were just barely cut; whereas other songs that aren’t included weren’t highly considered for the album.
When it comes to unreleased songs we’ve known about that I wish will be included on the other albums’ re-recordings, I hope she releases Let’s Go (Battle).
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Post by Dillon on Mar 26, 2021 22:34:43 GMT
I’m realizing I’m having the same feeling when Sparks Fly was released. Based on the version of the song I had already heard (for Sparks Fly, it was the live version she played at live shows in 2007), I had an expectation of what the final studio version would sound like…expecting it to sound the same but more polished and crisp.
But, just like Sparks Fly differed a lot from the live version, You All Over Me has many differences to the demo; which on its own, I would probably really enjoy it. But I can’t help but compare it to the version I had previously heard, so the song falls short in my opinion. It doesn’t live up to demo version.
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Post by Dillon on Mar 25, 2021 22:24:03 GMT
Listening to the preview, it is in fact the same song as the demo. It will be interesting to listen to the changes she made to lyrics and instrumentation. So far, it’s clear that it’s in a lower key. And with her more mature voice, I can see why she would make this change.
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