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Post by Becky on Jul 27, 2015 15:34:35 GMT
Another reason to lay off the "fat" thing is I'm sure there's people where who are bigger than Avril (probably most people lol she's tiny) and calling her fat when she's the absolute opposite is hardly fair on other people. If avril needs to lose weight then so does everyone over a size 6/8 and that's just ridiculous. I thought the idea of weight as something easy to change, and Avril was good at it. Not always. She recently said she was half way through her treatment, and sang Fly the whole way through for the first time a few days ago. There's a long way to go for her, and even if she was well, she doesn't need to lose weight. She still looks amazing. If she put on more weight, she'd still look fantastic. If she lost weight she would still look fantastic. As long as her weight is healthy, that's all that matters. There is no perfect weight, merely preference. I perfectly understand you didn't mean to offend and are expressing your opinion, but her weight is her business and has no importance other than health. Also forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't she larger than this at the beginning of the era? And still wasn't the least bit fat?
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Post by Blackarachnia on Jul 28, 2015 0:02:35 GMT
Her weight is fine. What wasn't fine was that dress, her hair/makeup, or singing... I give her a pass on singing for obvious reasons, but she chose black AGAIN and it wasn't flattering, sophisticated, or "appropriate" for the event (I was expecting more glam). The straight hair parted down the middle for something like this is terrible, and I am so over that makeup. I was fairly disappointed
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Post by Becky on Jul 28, 2015 0:49:05 GMT
Haha I feel like one of the few people who didn't think anything negative of her appearance. Simply she looked great and just Avril.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 1:54:45 GMT
Are you kidding me? You can't just say... "So, let's lay it off"...and then write more of the same nonsense that has so many people angry at you.
Uncle Bob, I already said that "though I know even this would offend a lot of people."
Don't try to prolong this argument. You are not making anything better. The person I feel sorry to is Avril, and I regret my words. This is not about people being angry at me, and I am not trying to apologize to them. I was trying to explain why I said those words that were not appropriate in the current situation.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 28, 2015 2:34:46 GMT
I don't see any issue with the dress, hair, or makeup Avril wore. Give the woman a break- she just spent like 6 months in bed and she looked damn good. I'm not sure why anyone would expect her to suddenly come out with a different look than what she has always had. It was a classic Avril look. Honestly I'm getting so sick of reading "fans" bitch about everything she does or doesn't do, we can't even give the poor woman a break due to her illness. Other fanbases would be absolutely ecstatic to see their idol do what Avril did. Of course only Avril's fans would find petty shit to bitch about, like having back fat or her hair not being parted the right way. 6 months to a year ago she couldn't even get out of bed to fucking pee. Now she is up onstage in front of 90,000 people + the whole world to sing for the first time in a year and to sing a BRAND NEW song we wanted to hear for 2 years, a song that she struggled to sing all the way through and she managed to get through it. The media finally gave her positive reviews and they are praising her for being "mature," just like the fans kept complaining that she should be. Maybe just be happy about that instead of complaining about what she wore or didn't wear... It's Avril. She's not gonna come out in a prom dress with her hair in a bun like Carrie Underwood. Sometimes I just can't with the constant bitching and negativity here....
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Post by Dillon on Jul 28, 2015 2:49:09 GMT
^ Yeah, I agree. It's one thing to discuss the performance, both the good and bad; but to fixate on certain aspects and express disgust about it is completely different. But really, I don't the problem is necessarily that one person is complaining too much, or that too many people are complaining in general; I think the problem is that one person will say something somewhat negative and that spirals into a conversation involving several people, then the entire thread is basically full of posts about those negative things. But of course, this isn't always the case, sometimes we do seem to have a lot of negative nancys.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 28, 2015 3:14:01 GMT
^ Yeah, I agree. It's one thing to discuss the performance, both the good and bad; but to fixate on certain aspects and express disgust about it is completely different. But really, I don't the problem is necessarily that one person is complaining too much, or that too many people are complaining in general; I think the problem is that one person will say something somewhat negative and that spirals into a conversation involving several people, then the entire thread is basically full of posts about those negative things. But of course, this isn't always the case, sometimes we do seem to have a lot of negative nancys. I'm all for expressing opinions and I'm not saying we need to be up Avril's ass 24/7. But I think in this case we should just be happy she was able to do what she did. Back in April when we first found out about her illness, all we wanted for her was to get better and be back onstage as soon as possible. She's done that and somehow it's not good enough. I just feel like fans are constantly complaining and being negative about everything, like can't we ever just be happy about anything? I honestly don't see other fanbases act like this. It reminds me of a Carrie Underwood song called So Small, where people complain about stupid shit that doesn't matter and they forget what is important. Yes Avril's voice wasn't perfect, yes her look wasn't anything different than what she normally wears. But the important thing is she made a huge step in her recovery and she performed a song that means so much to a lot of people. We've been asking her to be "mature" and here she is wearing a gown and singing a ballad. What more do you want? This is the most fickle group of fans I think I have ever seen. 6 months ago we would have given anything just to see her recover and get back onstage, we were all so worried about her. Sorry for the rant but I had to get it out.
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Post by Dillon on Jul 28, 2015 4:24:55 GMT
I'm all for expressing opinions and I'm not saying we need to be up Avril's ass 24/7. But I think in this case we should just be happy she was able to do what she did. Back in April when we first found out about her illness, all we wanted for her was to get better and be back onstage as soon as possible. She's done that and somehow it's not good enough. I just feel like fans are constantly complaining and being negative about everything, like can't we ever just be happy about anything? I honestly don't see other fanbases act like this. It reminds me of a Carrie Underwood song called So Small, where people complain about stupid shit that doesn't matter and they forget what is important. Yes Avril's voice wasn't perfect, yes her look wasn't anything different than what she normally wears. But the important thing is she made a huge step in her recovery and she performed a song that means so much to a lot of people. We've been asking her to be "mature" and here she is wearing a gown and singing a ballad. What more do you want? This is the most fickle group of fans I think I have ever seen. 6 months ago we would have given anything just to see her recover and get back onstage, we were all so worried about her. Sorry for the rant but I had to get it out. I think that it's important to note though, that not everyone posts frequently, so I'm sure there are a lot of members here in the shadows that have lovely things to say and respectful, constructive criticism but they just don't post it. And the ones who do post good comments get drowned out by the negative ones. I do see what you're saying about the constant contradiction and hypocrisy. I guess the little black stars are a hard bunch to please (it's ironic to state that while putting "little black stars" in the same sentence since that's one of topics ). But I know that I personally can't always keep track of what I post, and that sometimes as a result, I contradict myself from time to time because my opinions change. I think that may be partly due to the influence of other members. What one person says can sometimes change my own opinions about something.
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Post by avril83 on Jul 28, 2015 10:35:41 GMT
Haha I feel like one of the few people who didn't think anything negative of her appearance. Simply she looked great and just Avril. Me too I love this "ordinary" Avril, without undercut or streaks of color.. the black dress suits her but i like more this one she dressed before the show http://instagram.com/p/5X-DvzI4FC
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Post by tilak on Jul 28, 2015 10:46:14 GMT
I think it's Avril's fault, She's spoiling us. She's been giving us what we wanted and that's the reason why some people over here are still complaining. They just want more and more. They are clearly UNSATISFIED with whatever she does. If there was some other artist.. Wouldn't have given much importance to the fans like RELEASING "GIVE YOU WHAT YOU LIKE VIDEO"- WHICH WE FANS WANTED not her. It's like the more she's trying to please the more people are complaining.
They should respect her for what step she took. We wanted fly, she released it for Special Olympics. We wanted a mature attitude.. Here she comes wearing a gown. Why does black and white matters. The Cassadee fans were more happy and proud seeing her perform(she wasn't even ill and faced troubles like Avril Did). Still they were rooting for her.
Look at us: "Oh her Vocals are weak" "Shoot,Black gown again" "Oh,No that hair ew".<- does all these shit matter when a person who couldn't shower for weeks and now is performing because YOU wanted it.? If this was a normal thing, like Avril wasn't diagnosed from Lyme then we had the air to speak some shit about her but look at the sensitivity of the current condition.. Of what she's going through.. Of what she has been through. This place is getting a lot negative than it was.
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Post by Jinkxx on Jul 28, 2015 11:29:45 GMT
True, I'm glad I liked her perfomance since it's been like a year and her look (make-up/dress/hair) and hearing Fly live for the first time! She looked stunning! I'm proud of her that she performed again and looked awesome mature for such event!
If she wore converse or half of her head was shaved or she wore NO make-up some would also complain about that, it's never quite alright.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 28, 2015 11:44:45 GMT
I think it's Avril's fault, She's spoiling us. She's been giving us what we wanted and that's the reason why some people over here are still complaining. They just want more and more. They are clearly UNSATISFIED with whatever she does. If there was some other artist.. Wouldn't have given much importance to the fans like RELEASING "GIVE YOU WHAT YOU LIKE VIDEO"- WHICH WE FANS WANTED not her. It's like the more she's trying to please the more people are complaining. They should respect her for what step she took. We wanted fly, she released it for Special Olympics. We wanted a mature attitude.. Here she comes wearing a gown. Why does black and white matters. The Cassadee fans were more happy and proud seeing her perform(she wasn't even ill and faced troubles like Avril Did). Still they were rooting for her. Look at us: "Oh her Vocals are weak" "Shoot,Black gown again" "Oh,No that hair ew".<- does all these shit matter when a person who couldn't shower for weeks and now is performing because YOU wanted it.? If this was a normal thing, like Avril wasn't diagnosed from Lyme then we had the air to speak some shit about her but look at the sensitivity of the current condition.. Of what she's going through.. Of what she has been through. This place is getting a lot negative than it was. My thoughts exactly. If Avril wasn't sick, perhaps people complaining about the performance would be more understandable. But the thing that frustrates me the most is that, sick or not, they're complaining even after Avril has done what we asked for. Now I do agree with SOME of the complaints, so I don't want to look like a hypocrite by saying this. I do agree that Fly is a bit basic of a song, that her vocal wasn't perfect here, that the GYWYL video was meh, and that the new collection of AD is underwhelming. But I also try to appreciate Avril's efforts to give us what we wanted from her. I think that she is doing the best she can given the circumstances right now. How would you feel if you did what Avril did, I'm sure she felt so proud to be able to do that, and then you read your own fans complaining because your dress wasn't the right color or something? Even the media has given her all positive reviews for her performance. I think sometimes fans here take the right to freedom of expression a little too far. Just because we can say what we want doesn't mean we always should (the Avril needs to lose weight discussion is a good example of that). Not only that, but half the time fans are rude and demanding about it as well. At least show some appreciation for what she's done for us, even if it isn't up to our standards. I at least try to hold out hope that when she makes a full recovery she'll give better performances, better videos, and maybe a better collection of AD. It's ok to point out the "negative" but dwelling on it isn't. Focus on the positives, like that she is finally listening to fans, we got to hear a new song we've been wanting to hear for 2-3 years, we got a new AD collection, we got the GYWYL video finally, she's getting better, the media loved her performance, etc.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 28, 2015 12:01:50 GMT
Haha I feel like one of the few people who didn't think anything negative of her appearance. Simply she looked great and just Avril. Me too I love this "ordinary" Avril, without undercut or streaks of color.. the black dress suits her but i like more this one she dressed before the show http://instagr.am/p/5X-DvzI4FC I'd have been fine if she chose the silver dress but I'm glad she chose the black. It's more "Avril." And yeah I got sick of seeing her wear black so much in the AL era but for this event I think it worked. A black dress with studs suits her perfectly.
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Post by katy on Jul 28, 2015 12:26:33 GMT
I thought she looked great, I'm not a big fan of Fly but she sang it well given the circumstances, pleased for her and proud of her
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