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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 4:16:52 GMT
Exactly. Isn’t that a reason we’re fans? To live vicariously? And I’d bet she learned more traveling the world that most peeps learn going to college.
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Post by Erik on May 20, 2018 8:15:02 GMT
Brace yourselfs Loved the photo, tho ot is a photoshop/makeup bomb And what about the album photoshoot?
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Post by slapstick on May 20, 2018 8:42:49 GMT
I have some pieces of AD from the older collections, like the most recent is probably from 2011. For the price, I wouldn’t say it’s good quality. They are also produced in places like Bangladesh, Vietnam, etc. I don’t know about the quality of the new stuff. I wouldn’t say that Avril has never endured hardship, Hello she just had Lyme disease for 2 years? She also has always known how lucky she is and that getting signed to a record deal at a young age and as quickly as he did doesn’t happen often. I think she just had to grow up quickly because of getting into the business so young and maybe sometimes she feels like she missed out on normal teen life. I also think she doesn’t like being serious all the time and especially after being sick, I think she wants to have fun and enjoy life. She’s always had an immature crazy batch side to her since LG era. Then no AD stuff for me.. On the hardship part, when was the last time she had to plan how to spend to make it through the month? When was the last time she absolutely had to go to work day after day if she wanted to have roof above her head and food on the table the next month? Sure, she has contracts which give her big penalties if she would quit smack in the middle, but her safety net of tens of millions of dollars, as well as the fact that her fame will always generate an above-minimum-wage income gives her an ease of mind that few people experience before retirement, and many never experience such a 'luxurious' situation. Finally, what percentage of people has the honour to earn money through their favourite hobby? She missed out a normal teen life in exchange of a teen dream coming true, and while being a 'rockstar' has its own bag of troubles, she experienced and lived more in her teens than many people did (or will) in a half of their lifetimes. Exactly. Isn’t that a reason we’re fans? To live vicariously? And I’d bet she learned more traveling the world that most peeps learn going to college. She learned many things being in the business and travelling the world, but her money allowed her to avoid learning some less pleasant things and ways - for example, her songwriting could be easily upgraded if she enriched her vocabulary, but she avoids that, and instead hires a dozen different assistants and producers to patch up where she lacks, at the cost of authenticity and individuality. And I hope nobody understands be wrong, I would wish that everybody would have the privilege of living a secure, (partially) sheltered life, where they could dedicate much more of their time toward what they love to do. I am glad (in a way) that she got such an incredible opportunity, instead of having her potential abandoned while she worked in a fast food restaurant (or worse). With the way technology is going, it seems only a matter of time when humanity will have the ability (or be forced to) to cut down work time, while having a life where they will be able to experience luxuries that are currently only available to the richest few percent of people, globally. The high possibility of a future world, much more friendly to an individual's dreams makes me hopeful that there will come a time when nobody will really be "crushed by reality", because I want every single soul to experience as much joy, "carelessness" and as little disappointment, fear and sadness as possible. It would (but hopefully will) be wonderful if kids learned of hardship only through history books, instead of many experiencing it years later, but if it indeed such a time ever comes true, I already feel some kind of a regret that many many millions of people preceding it will miss out on that future reality. Damn, I really blasted off in a tangent there, sorry moderators, I'll stop going off topic..
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 20, 2018 13:00:04 GMT
What you’re saying can pretty much apply to all celebrities though. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make. So she has never had to worry about money? So what. Everyone has problems of some kind, if it isn’t money, it’s health or relationships or something else. Both of which she has been down on her luck with, a serious illness and divorced twice. Not to mention that being famous is not always glamorous, she’s had instances of stalkers and dealing with the paparazzi. You might look at Britney Spears for example and go “Oh she’s so rich and famous” but we saw how it destroyed her. I saw a video where she was crying on the steps of her house and the paparazzi were like animals, they wouldn’t leave her alone and it was sad to watch. If it weren’t for her kids, I’m not sure Britney would have come out on the other side. That’s how badly fame can destroy a person. The paparazzi also killed Princess Diana.
Taylor Swift is arguably the most famous singer in the world right now and she has to take extreme care to have any privacy. She wanted to keep her relationship with Joe so secret that they had to make special arrangements to meet. Money doesn’t buy happiness as they say. I can imagine at times that these celebs would exchange all of it for a few minutes of privacy and normalcy.
I make shit money where I work and I know personally how difficult it is to afford anything, I live at home with my parents still because I can’t afford rent for an apartment based on my wage. But that has nothing to do with Avril or any other celeb? At least Avril makes an honest living and has worked hard for what she has, unlike people like the Kardashians or Paris Hilton who are just bimbos and famous for literally nothing. And they’ve also had their share of issues (Kim was robbed). Fame and fortune do not make anyone immune to problems.
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 20, 2018 13:09:04 GMT
I’ll add just one last thing: I think Avril has always been pretty frugal when it comes to money for a celebrity of her status. She has one home in Canada, rents another in LA for work. Ok her home in Canada is by no means modest, but if having a nice home is important to her and she wants to be close to her family, she’s justified to pour most of her money into that home. She doesn’t get off scott free with that either, she has to pay upkeep, bills, and property taxes (if Canada even has taxes?) The upkeep and bills for heat and electricity alone for a house that size are a lot. Let’s also not forget she probably paid thousands out of pocket for her Lyme medications. Ok she is lucky enough to afford it, unlike a lot of others. But at least she is bringing awareness to that with the LymeLight foundation and she’s using her voice to help those who aren’t as fortunate as she is.
Secondly, she’s never had a fancy car from what I can see. At least for a time she drove a Jeep. She doesn’t seem to spend a lot on stupid stuff like clothes or jewelry. Chad went all out buying her rings. Any of the homes she’s had have been usually one in Canada and one in LA, which makes sense. After Let Go despite how much money she earned she got a condo in Toronto. I honestly think for Avril’s status, she has always been pretty modest with her lifestyle overall.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 15:32:49 GMT
Slapstick, have you heard the truism, "I was a soldier so my son could be a doctor and his son a poet." The utopian world you hope is coming is the same the ancients wanted as well.
Hardships are good for kids, not bad. Way to many kids are lazy. They don't want to fulfill a higher purpose much less find something they are passionate about. That is what sets Avril above. Her hard work, dedication and passion.
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Post by slapstick on May 20, 2018 15:40:44 GMT
What you’re saying can pretty much apply to all celebrities though. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make. So she has never had to worry about money? So what. Everyone has problems of some kind, if it isn’t money, it’s health or relationships or something else. Both of which she has been down on her luck with, a serious illness and divorced twice. Not to mention that being famous is not always glamorous, she’s had instances of stalkers and dealing with the paparazzi. You might look at Britney Spears for example and go “Oh she’s so rich and famous” but we saw how it destroyed her. I saw a video where she was crying on the steps of her house and the paparazzi were like animals, they wouldn’t leave her alone and it was sad to watch. If it weren’t for her kids, I’m not sure Britney would have come out on the other side. That’s how badly fame can destroy a person. The paparazzi also killed Princess Diana. Taylor Swift is arguably the most famous singer in the world right now and she has to take extreme care to have any privacy. She wanted to keep her relationship with Joe so secret that they had to make special arrangements to meet. Money doesn’t buy happiness as they say. I can imagine at times that these celebs would exchange all of it for a few minutes of privacy and normalcy. I make shit money where I work and I know personally how difficult it is to afford anything, I live at home with my parents still because I can’t afford rent for an apartment based on my wage. But that has nothing to do with Avril or any other celeb? At least Avril makes an honest living and has worked hard for what she has, unlike people like the Kardashians or Paris Hilton who are just bimbos and famous for literally nothing. And they’ve also had their share of issues (Kim was robbed). Fame and fortune do not make anyone immune to problems. It does apply to most celebrities. Money does not buy happiness itself, but it does save you from various economically-induced stress and anxiety, while enabling you to pursue things you like or love. Paparazzi issue seems to hurt those people who aren't the most stable persons in the first place - tons of celebrities have little issues with them, but some high-notoriety cases make it seem as if the problem is a lot more prevalent. Avril herself said that you can relatively easily avoid being on tabloid headlines, but that many in Hollywood intentionally alert the paparazzi where they'll be, and even go to joints that are well known to those cameras running for the tabloid papers. Finally, Diana wasn't killed by the paparazzi, although they might have been rather annoying - she died as a result of a manslaughter caused by the driver Henri Paul, who operated the car while intoxicated by alcohol and perscripted drugs.
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Post by slapstick on May 20, 2018 15:54:18 GMT
Slapstick, Have you heard the truism, "I was a soldier so my son could be a doctor and his son a poet." The utopian world you hope is coming is the same the ancients wanted as well. Hardships are good for kids, not bad. Way to many kids are lazy. They don't want to fulfill a higher purpose much less find something they are passionate about. That is what sets Avril above. Her hard work dedication and passion. I am not arguing against meritocracy, I am arguing against poverty. People who are hard-working should "climb ladders", but I don't want either hard-working people staying in (or near) poverty despite their efforts, nor do I want undisciplined kids sliding into life of extreme poverty and crime. Kids are shaped by their parents and immediate society, and these parents sometimes fail (or were, in turn, failed by their parents), while the community is sometimes toxic. Ancients wanted a better world, and we've gotten a better world. Fortunately, it can still get better. Unfortunately, the road to that point is still a long one.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 16:09:18 GMT
Socialism hasn’t worked anywhere in the world. Not that you’re alluding to that, or are you?
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Post by slapstick on May 20, 2018 16:19:42 GMT
Socialism hasn’t worked anywhere in the world. Not that you’re alluding to that, or are you? No, I'm advocating further use and enhancement of the so-called "Nordic model". It's a good basis which allows a meritocratic hierarchy while maintaining a safety net that catches and helps people with troubles in their lives. Also, we're way off-topic now, so this is my last response on this front.
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 20, 2018 16:25:51 GMT
There are celebs who use their fame and money to help people who are less fortunate though. Avril has a charity to help sick children and Taylor has for example donated books to the Nashville library as well as made donations to many other charitable causes. So it’s not like people who have money don’t give back to the community and help those who are less fortunate.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 17:58:53 GMT
Socialism hasn’t worked anywhere in the world. Not that you’re alluding to that, or are you? No, I'm advocating further use and enhancement of the so-called "Nordic model". It's a good basis which allows a meritocratic hierarchy while maintaining a safety net that catches and helps people with troubles in their lives. Also, we're way off-topic now, so this is my last response on this front. What works in Denmark ain't gonna fly in Detroit. Ever been there? And if you're defending the paparazzi you are waaaaay off the trail.
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Post by In Wonderland on May 20, 2018 18:36:44 GMT
Just a reminder to keep the topic to Avrils social media.
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Post by Erik on May 20, 2018 19:15:40 GMT
Just a reminder to keep the topic to Avrils social media. Yes pls
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