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Post by thyarchery on Apr 2, 2015 21:29:45 GMT
This could just be a regional thing, but I'm surprised at how many comments I'm seeing everywhere with people saying they don't know about this disease. I grew up and live in the Northeast, where the disease is most prominent, so maybe that's why I've always known about it, but I've been aware of this disease since I was a kid. We were always told as kids if we went in the woods to wear long pants and check for ticks, and if you own a dog you should apply a tick medicine to its fur every month to prevent ticks. It sort of amazes me that doctors could not properly diagnose it or don't seem to know about it. I live in Norway no different here. We check our selfs for ticks everytime. What I meant was that the doctors know little about the cure (s) how different it is from person to person. How antibiotics works for some. How falsnegative bloodtests comes back. It's a big debate between doctors, scientists and medical/spirtual treatments and metods. Just look up the clinic in Germany that had a specific treatment, people from all over Europe went there. The debate is so intense around what actually works. I think the insects bearing that disease are common only in relatively cold/humid areas. I'm from Spain, I live in a rural area with plenty of woodlands since I was 8 and I don't think I've ever heard about it and by no means I've been told to check for ticks-even when my country is in the wikipedia map for the distribution of the disease. The article in English says literally that incidence in southern Europe, such as Italy and Portugal, is much lower, though. The stereotypical thing that you're told here as a child is to always wear boots in the countryside because of vipers. Anyways, I agree with Andrea. I kind of understand-to a certain degree- that doctors in state health are skeptic when someone says he's got those symptoms the first time because they have to deal with lots of patients everyday and probably there are others that need their help more urgently. But I'm positive that Avril can afford private health and there the doctors have much more time to spend with the patients-and they are also directly paid for their job. It's unbelievable that someone as wealthy as her has had to take it to the internet to find out what she had. And the last thing they should have done is telling her she was crazy. And, as you say in another comment, it's even more insulting if you take into account that Canada is one of the leading countries regarding biological investigation. My mother is currently working on a project about biological safety and the manual she uses the most are the Canadian norms.
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Post by jackster31 on Apr 2, 2015 22:01:24 GMT
I live in Norway no different here. We check our selfs for ticks everytime. What I meant was that the doctors know little about the cure (s) how different it is from person to person. How antibiotics works for some. How falsnegative bloodtests comes back. It's a big debate between doctors, scientists and medical/spirtual treatments and metods. Just look up the clinic in Germany that had a specific treatment, people from all over Europe went there. The debate is so intense around what actually works. I think the insects bearing that disease are common only in relatively cold/humid areas. I'm from Spain, I live in a rural area with plenty of woodlands since I was 8 and I don't think I've ever heard about it and by no means I've been told to check for ticks-even when my country is in the wikipedia map for the distribution of the disease. The article in English says literally that incidence in southern Europe, such as Italy and Portugal, is much lower, though. The stereotypical thing that you're told here as a child is to always wear boots in the countryside because of vipers. Anyways, I agree with Andrea. I kind of understand-to a certain degree- that doctors in state health are skeptic when someone says he's got those symptoms the first time because they have to deal with lots of patients everyday and probably there are others that need their help more urgently. But I'm positive that Avril can afford private health and there the doctors have much more time to spend with the patients-and they are also directly paid for their job. It's unbelievable that someone as wealthy as her has had to take it to the internet to find out what she had. And the last thing they should have done is telling her she was crazy. And, as you say in another comment, it's even more insulting if you take into account that Canada is one of the leading countries regarding biological investigation. My mother is currently working on a project about biological safety and the manual she uses the most are the Canadian norms. Found this video from CTV (Canadian Television), which talks about Avril and the fact that even in a "first world" country like Canada diagnoses and research on Lyme disease isn't as advanced as you'd think or hope. Some guy even says it will help if a celeb like Avril will be vocal about it. Apparently certain laws that would further research and better treatment is still waiting to be passed. Who knew... www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment/avril-lavigne-opens-up-about-battle-with-lyme-disease-1.2307529
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Post by thyarchery on Apr 2, 2015 22:17:01 GMT
I think the insects bearing that disease are common only in relatively cold/humid areas. I'm from Spain, I live in a rural area with plenty of woodlands since I was 8 and I don't think I've ever heard about it and by no means I've been told to check for ticks-even when my country is in the wikipedia map for the distribution of the disease. The article in English says literally that incidence in southern Europe, such as Italy and Portugal, is much lower, though. The stereotypical thing that you're told here as a child is to always wear boots in the countryside because of vipers. Anyways, I agree with Andrea. I kind of understand-to a certain degree- that doctors in state health are skeptic when someone says he's got those symptoms the first time because they have to deal with lots of patients everyday and probably there are others that need their help more urgently. But I'm positive that Avril can afford private health and there the doctors have much more time to spend with the patients-and they are also directly paid for their job. It's unbelievable that someone as wealthy as her has had to take it to the internet to find out what she had. And the last thing they should have done is telling her she was crazy. And, as you say in another comment, it's even more insulting if you take into account that Canada is one of the leading countries regarding biological investigation. My mother is currently working on a project about biological safety and the manual she uses the most are the Canadian norms. Found this video from CTV (Canadian Television), which talks about Avril and the fact that even in a "first world" country like Canada diagnoses and research on Lyme disease isn't as advanced as you'd think or hope. Some guy even says it will help if a celeb like Avril will be vocal about it. Apparently certain laws that would further research and better treatment is still waiting to be passed. Who knew... www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment/avril-lavigne-opens-up-about-battle-with-lyme-disease-1.2307529It's strange that, being like it seems to be, a somewhat common disease-at least common enough for most people to know about it- the techniques and protocols regarding its diagnosis haven't been implemented yet. Like, here we had a big problem with legionella in 2001 (600 dead) and by 2003 the safety measures were already implemented and the death ratio fell dramatically- actually I think that 2 or 3 people must have dead from legionella during the last three years.
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Post by StrongSweet on Apr 4, 2015 2:10:32 GMT
You guys need to know antibiotics, whoch is what the doctor would give for treatment, are really really bad for future if you will have some serious illnesses again. It may becom useless. Im glad to hear that Avril could recover by herself, by nature
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Post by thyarchery on Apr 4, 2015 18:24:42 GMT
You guys need to know antibiotics, whoch is what the doctor would give for treatment, are really really bad for future if you will have some serious illnesses again. It may becom useless. Im glad to hear that Avril could recover by herself, by nature Then what about all the other diseases that are treated with antibiotics, from flu to tuberculosis? Are you supposed to recover "by yourself, by nature" from that?
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Post by Dillon on Apr 4, 2015 18:56:48 GMT
New antibiotics are constantly being created. And scientists are researching alternative ways for making antibiotics to reduce chances for bacteria to become immune.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 4, 2015 19:51:29 GMT
I actually don't think Avril recovered completely from just changing her diet and exercise routine. I thought at some point she did take antibiotics. You probably can't even recover from Lyme without them.
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Post by sam on Apr 4, 2015 19:54:29 GMT
I actually don't think Avril recovered completely from just changing her diet and exercise routine. I thought at some point she did take antibiotics. You probably can't even recover from Lyme without them. Yeah I agree, there has to be something there to fight it off inside of her body; but im sure the diet and exercise played a substantial role.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 4, 2015 20:19:00 GMT
Yes, I'm sure the diet and exercise helped her recover faster and more effectively. The no sugar, no dairy, no gluten diet probably helped her with the weakness she was always feeling and if she ate things like organic fruits and vegetables all those nutrients would surely help her feel strong and nourished. And the exercise is good for her if she spent months in bed and couldn't move or stand. So doing light exercise regularly probably helps her muscles get back into shape and keeps her feeling strong. The longer you sit around, the harder it is to physically move around again, so getting her muscles back into a working mode again was important. But yeah I really doubt that just eating well and exercising helped her actually get rid of all that bacteria or whatever it is inside of her.
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Post by Kaiye on Apr 4, 2015 20:35:15 GMT
Woah, at doctors getting this much love. On a side note, i do believe that Lyme's is predominant in the Northern Hemisphere. I'm about to finish med school here, the disease was never in my course. Had to look it up to know what it actually caused.
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Post by Uncle Bob on Apr 5, 2015 3:47:28 GMT
Woah, at doctors getting this much love. On a side note, i do believe that Lyme's is predominant in the Northern Hemisphere. I'm about to finish med school here, the disease was never in my course. Had to look it up to know what it actually caused. It's difficult to diagnose and treat for a lot of different reasons and there are many aspects about it where the experts don't agree. There are around 100 strains in the U.S. and 300 worldwide. Because of Avril, I did a lot of research and am now developing symptoms. I think you can catch it through google too.
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Post by Dillon on Apr 5, 2015 7:43:13 GMT
It's difficult to diagnose and treat for a lot of different reasons and there are many aspects about it where the experts don't agree. There are around 100 strains in the U.S. and 300 worldwide. Because of Avril, I did a lot of research and am now developing symptoms. I think you can catch it through google too. Well said. I know that people hear something and immediately form an opinion about it and try to debate it (not bashing on anyone cdn.staticneo.com/neoassets/smileys/smile.gif ), but the thing is that although we as a species know so, so much, each of us as individuals don't know everything. We don't know anything about Avril's experience. We don't know what it is like to have Lyme disease (unless you have it). And we don't know what is really happening in the medical/science world unless it is brought up in the media. We can of course sympathize for Avril and hope for her well-being, but we can't or shouldn't bash the doctors. Like what Bob said, there are 300 strands of Lyme disease worldwide. There is so much working against us that makes research and finding cures or treatments difficult. And even if there are one hundred doctors who are Lyme disease experts, Avril didn't necessarily see any of them. Yes Avril can afford and obtain access to amazing health care if need be, but not one single doctor will know of every infinite possibility of why Avril felt so bad. If Avril had been bit by a tick and received a ring marking and also showed tell-tale signs of the disease, it does seem strange that her illness was dismissed so easily. But, just trying to gain some perspective. I say, let's all be happy that Avril is recovering and that she wants to help others like her recover as well. www.abestweb.com/forums/images/smilies/cheerful.gif
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