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Post by StrongSweet on Sept 11, 2016 7:07:36 GMT
A Knock On The Door Avril Lavigne's first Manager and why I was 'Let Go' by Cliff Fabri shoutout.wix.com/so/4LS8u_uT#/mainI didn't read it all in details but this probably is the dark side of her beginning of success~
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Post by vancityblackstar on Sept 11, 2016 8:53:23 GMT
Holy shit.....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 8:56:59 GMT
He as an attitude of "I made her famous" and it kinda bugs me. That and the backhanded compliments... Despite him saying that he doesn't feel bitter about it, the whole thing sure is oozing with bitter anger....
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Post by StrongSweet on Sept 11, 2016 9:19:11 GMT
He as an attitude of "I made her famous" and it kinda bugs me. That and the backhanded compliments... Despite him saying that he doesn't feel bitter about it, the whole thing sure is oozing with bitter anger.... But he did. I dunno if the hole story was true but if it was, it seems RCA and Arista Records wanted to dominate any bit of profit from Avril so they made up plans to fire him. The most weird part was her mom. I honestly don't believe she was able to read and tell the entire accountant was bad unless someone did for her. There might be some sort of mutual principles with her mom and the label IMO...
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Post by eismann on Sept 11, 2016 10:43:31 GMT
I believe him. To me this sounds very realistic. I doubt Avril was aware of everything going on around her and she herself may got a lot of pressure from her label and management to say she wrote the songs by herself to help the image. But still, it's sad that people who helped Avril's career that much don't get any credits.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Sept 11, 2016 12:55:13 GMT
I do understand the guy to an extent. He was her first manager and it sounds like he did a lot to help her career in the beginning, especially with the songwriting credits. Avril went around saying she was the one who stood up to the label and insisted that she get to write, when in reality it was this guy who actually negotiated all those deals for her. I mean I'm sure that Avril did tell him she wanted to write but she wasn't exactly going up to the head of the label and demanding she get to write the way she has always made it sound.
He also set her up with all the writers and producers she worked with too. As he mentions, each of those people played a key part in the early development of her career, if it hadn't been for them, her career could have ended before it even began. The thing is that a lot of those people are mentioned in the LG booklet, while Fabri isn't. There's a section that's crossed out and I wonder if she originally thanked him and then had to eliminate it because of their deal that he wasn't to be mentioned at all. It honestly does suck and I do feel for the guy that he deserves the credit for getting her started, considering how big she became, but he can't because of this stupid misunderstanding that happened.
I hate to say this but I have always questioned Avril's relationships with people in the music business, especially with songwriters. It's interesting that she'll work with somebody and then every time they say something bad about her and she never works with them again. You can chalk it up to just jealousy or misunderstandings or whatever but when it keeps happening over and over and over, you have to wonder if Avril is the source of the problem. Who knows what she is like behind closed doors, what kind of things she demands when it comes to writing credits and other legal stuff, etc.
And now we know for sure she basically had no involvement with writing Breakaway either. The writing thing isn't a huge deal at this point because she has since written her own songs on GL and AL but it basically confirms what we all already suspected about LG, that she didn't have nearly as much involvement as she claimed, especially not with The Matrix songs. To an extent it's understandable why she did that because it was all a part of her image then, if she had said "I wrote a few words on the song and they did the rest" she would have instantly lost credibility. And the truth about everything regarding her early career will most likely continue to get swept under the rug because to reveal anything now, after 15 years of a steady career, would just ruin what she has left. Maybe someday she will write a tell-all book. There's 2 sides to every story and it sounds like Avril's family was duped into believing Avril was being mishandled/mismanaged. It was all a big misunderstanding. But I also wouldn't be surprised if there is a lot of similar stories like that in the music business or that many artists omit certain details from how they began their careers. Everybody wants a sensational fairy tale story of how they began their career and it probably rarely happens. Everybody thinks Avril sang for LA and she just got signed on the spot, made a record, and became a star. I don't know if this is true at all but I read once somewhere that she sent tapes to different labels and had label execs visit her house and she was rejected at first by different labels. That is a much more likely story than this magical tale of getting signed on the spot to the first label she saw. (By the way, not saying the LA Reid story isn't true and that she wasn't signed immediately by them, but I doubt Arista was the first label she had dealt with).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 13:36:18 GMT
Dude should take a course in web design. Coincidentally his blog looks like something from 2002-2003.
Interesting read, though. I've always thought a lot of her writing credits on LG were a load of hooey, but it seems that's not the only myth about Avril's rise to fame he wishes to debunk. I'm not 100% on board with everything he claims, and there are indeed two sides to every story, but I can't imagine he has a lot to gain by lying about all this.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Sept 11, 2016 15:30:12 GMT
I think to further add insult to injury Avril looks like the only act he's discovered that's remained relevant. I never heard of either of the other 2 mentioned.
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Post by Jack on Sept 11, 2016 16:08:52 GMT
Interesting read, no doubt.
So, he basically blames bomb32, they fooled the Lavignes to make them believe Cliff wasn't trustworthy, due to their problems with Fabri. Misunderstanding and shortsightedness, as he said.
All in all, all these problems with past collaborators that surface from time to time aren't good for her legacy, if her own publicly shown mistakes aren't enough. In this case, I won't blame her that much, because I'm sure her parents, lawyers and even Nettwerk had something to do with her decision, to (try to) "erase" Cliff Fabri from her past. But she's the one who will get all the hate, whether she had a big part or not on the decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 16:21:40 GMT
I re read it with a more open mind.... It's just kinda sad that otherwise we would have never heard any type of issues other than the ones from years ago by the matrix and that one girl. I agree that there's two sides to the story though... I just wonder if Avril would have ever mentioned any of this. Not saying she has to now, but things keep popping up lately, and what I don't like about it is that it frames Avril in a very ugly light. Not only is this really irrelevant information, but that's my fave we're talking about here XD It was interesting though. I wonder why the guy decided to wait till now.... I wanna know what will happen when/if Avril ever finds out he posted it. She could sue.... Which wouldn't be a wise thing IMO
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Post by StrongSweet on Sept 11, 2016 16:36:23 GMT
Dude should take a course in web design. Coincidentally his blog looks like something from 2002-2003. Interesting read, though. I've always thought a lot of her writing credits on LG were a load of hooey, but it seems that's not the only myth about Avril's rise to fame he wishes to debunk. I'm not 100% on board with everything he claims, and there are indeed two sides to every story, but I can't imagine he has a lot to gain by lying about all this. Yeah, what advantage he could take to mention this after 15 years LMAO, I'm glad he finally get off his chest and clear something up. No wonder the album performance has been gotten worse because she doesn't want to take more fake credits in songs so she was rather being honest from Goodbye Lullaby. I used to think she is very honest to her music, now not anymore. Hopefully she is learning from mistakes and work on stuffs she truly handles. I'm glad she used Dr. Luke too, he freaking deserved it lol
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Post by BogoGog24 on Sept 11, 2016 17:35:31 GMT
I re read it with a more open mind.... It's just kinda sad that otherwise we would have never heard any type of issues other than the ones from years ago by the matrix and that one girl. I agree that there's two sides to the story though... I just wonder if Avril would have ever mentioned any of this. Not saying she has to now, but things keep popping up lately, and what I don't like about it is that it frames Avril in a very ugly light. Not only is this really irrelevant information, but that's my fave we're talking about here XD It was interesting though. I wonder why the guy decided to wait till now.... I wanna know what will happen when/if Avril ever finds out he posted it. She could sue.... Which wouldn't be a wise thing IMO According to what he said, part of the agreement they reached is that she would never mention him and I think he couldn't talk about her either. I have to wonder if writing this blog is a violation of that agreement. But it makes sense why in her early career Avril never mentioned him and whenever she talks about how she started she skips all the Cliff stuff and starts with when she met LA Reid, as though that was where everything started. Because legally she wasn't supposed to mention him. I agree with Jack that considering how young she was when all this happened, I question his use of the phrase "Avril Lavigne fired me." Her parents, lawyers, new management, label, etc. probably all reached an agreement it would be best to part ways, so yes, technically Avril the artist "fired" him, but it's doubtful she was behind the decision or wrote him that letter. Most likely it came from her new manager saying Avril had changed managers. On that front I think Cliff is exaggerating the story a bit and spinning the angle to make it sound worse. I don't expect Avril will ever talk publicly about Cliff, again for legal reasons. There is probably LOTS of legal stuff she can't talk about publicly that we probably don't even know about. The only question I have is why Cliff said in the agreement that they reached he wasn't allowed to talk about his history with her or make derogatory comments about her, yet he did exactly that in this blog. Unless the contract expired at a certain point, isn't he violating the terms of their agreement?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 18:07:05 GMT
That's what I don't get either. Unless, like you said, the agreement expired.... I also don't think it's fair to discredit her writing or her connection to her music (from then on out) because of this...
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Post by BogoGog24 on Sept 11, 2016 18:11:37 GMT
Yeah I mean in spite of what happened with this she's gone on to since write her own songs on albums so it isn't really a big deal how much she contributed to her first album. Most artists have lots of help with their first album and some do even less than she did.
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Post by jenda358 on Sept 11, 2016 18:33:11 GMT
I found an old (2002) and very interesting article that says a lot of things about Avril's beginnings. But especially one part of the text is really worth quoting in this thread: During their weeks in L.A., Lavigne and Fabri also called on the songwriting and production team of Lauren Christy, Graham Edwards and Scott Spock.
The trio played a song they had prepared for Lavigne, but Fabri says this, too, was unsatisfactory, and played them Lavigne's Magness collaboration "Unwanted" as an indication of what they were looking for.
Fabri left Lavigne with the producers, and when he returned a few hours later, they were finishing up "Complicated," the song that would launch her career.
Fabri describes this period as the happiest of his tenure with the singer. But within two weeks, he was gone as Lavigne's manager (he says he's restricted in what he can say about the split), and the singer signed up with the management division of Jowett's Nettwerk empire. The label may have lost out to Arista in signing Lavigne, but now it had her in its management stable, alongside two other acts that also record for Arista in the U.S. ? Sarah McLachlan and Dido.
This was written 14 years ago and that, I think, kinda supports Fabri's story (at least some parts of it). Anyway, here's a link to the full article: LINK
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