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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 28, 2020 20:16:30 GMT
Fun fact: Someone discovered that Joe's maternal grandparents were named Betty and William James Bowery. So that explains why Betty and James were the chosen names for the love triangle and why William Bowery is assumed to be Joe's pseudonym on the songs where he's a cowriter. No one seems to know who William Bowery is, not even Aaron Dessner. It is assumed by fans it's a nickname for Joe. Apparently he used to play guitar in school, so it's totally possible he helped Taylor write these songs. Especially betty would make sense.
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Post by katy on Jul 28, 2020 20:29:44 GMT
I can’t even pick my top 5 cos usually when an albums been out a few days I know my favourites and start playing those more often but with this im just listening to it start to finish on repeat lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 20:35:45 GMT
Lots of conflicting theories out there. Betty is also the name of Blake and Ryan’s third child. Supposedly Joe didn’t write anything. And once again, Taylor proves she’s a damn genius. Seriously. 👌🏽
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Post by biggerwow on Jul 28, 2020 21:24:22 GMT
Fun fact: Someone discovered that Joe's maternal grandparents were named Betty and William James Bowery. So that explains why Betty and James were the chosen names for the love triangle and why William Bowery is assumed to be Joe's pseudonym on the songs where he's a cowriter. No one seems to know who William Bowery is, not even Aaron Dessner. It is assumed by fans it's a nickname for Joe. Apparently he used to play guitar in school, so it's totally possible he helped Taylor write these songs. Especially betty would make sense. Lol I immediately thought of Avril and how we're like Pete's probably writing with her right now. If it's true at all let's hope Avril also comes up with something new and perfect like Taylor and Joe. Idk about Joe but Pete seems like a pro musician based on some YouTube clips. So I have hope.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 28, 2020 23:09:16 GMT
I found this really cool tool you can use to rank your favorite Taylor songs: jesseepinkman.tumblr.com/tswiftsongEdit: WARNING: This ranking will take a long time to complete, so make sure you set aside at least 1 hour where you won't be interrupted. Your progress can't be saved. DO NOT backspace or you will lose your progress. Clicking "I like both" or "No opinion" too many times will negatively affect your results. This was my top 10: 1. Out of the Woods 2. Clean 3. Cruel Summer 4. Epiphany 5. Daylight 6. This Love 7. Red 8. Sparks Fly 9. Fearless 10. Call It What You Want Bottom 5 were: illicit affairs Superstar I heart ? Innocent Invisible Singles in my top 10: 5 (if you include promo singles) TS: 0 Fearless: 1 Speak Now: 1 RED: 1 1989: 3 reputation: 1 Lover: 2 folklore: 1 I'd say my results were pretty accurate.
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Post by biggerwow on Jul 29, 2020 0:34:31 GMT
That took forever. I don't think it's very accurate since I didn't know a lot of the old songs. I made some clicking mistakes too. And followed the advice of not putting no opinion or both. Overall, not too bad though. Sort of out of order but my top albums are definitely making up the top spots
Here's my top 10. But I don't think I'd place CS at #1.
1. cruel summer 2. All too well 3. Idsb 4. Blank space (should be #1) 5. Style 6. Wangbt 7. Wildest dreams 8. Delicate 9. Wonderland 10. 22
Also DWOHT all the way at #31 no way that song is at top 10.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 0:50:24 GMT
Some thoughts from another site:
In 'this is me trying', the lyrics say 'And maybe I dont quite know what to say, but Im here in your doorway. 'It appears to be James telling Betty how sorry he is.
In Cardigan, the lyrics say "And you'd be standin' in my front porch light. And I knew you'd come back to me." I believe Cardigan is once again from Betty's perspective.
In Betty, the lyrics mention Betty standing in her Cardigan and James showing up to her party. If you reflect back to This is Me Trying, the lyrics say " and its hard to be at a party when i feel like an open wound."
So, I believe that Cardigan is from Betty's perspective while "This is Me Trying" and obviously "Betty" is from James perspective.
I dont know if this is news or if I am just slow! I knew Betty was from James perspective but I did not correlate Cardigan and This is me trying to that same story.
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Post by biggerwow on Jul 29, 2020 1:12:00 GMT
It's supposedly only 3 songs about the love triangle. Cardigan, august, and better. But ilicit affairs and some other songs connect too.
I find it kind of difficult to follow the POVs. For example, in illicit affairs she's talking to the lover telling him what to tell his friends. Then she says "the perfume that you picked out just for him". Does she change the POV there? Or is the guy bisexual or is she singing about what she's doing herself? I'm probably not making sense but I'm confused.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 29, 2020 1:37:49 GMT
Some thoughts from another site: In 'this is me trying', the lyrics say 'And maybe I dont quite know what to say, but Im here in your doorway. 'It appears to be James telling Betty how sorry he is. In Cardigan, the lyrics say "And you'd be standin' in my front porch light. And I knew you'd come back to me." I believe Cardigan is once again from Betty's perspective. In Betty, the lyrics mention Betty standing in her Cardigan and James showing up to her party. If you reflect back to This is Me Trying, the lyrics say " and its hard to be at a party when i feel like an open wound." So, I believe that Cardigan is from Betty's perspective while "This is Me Trying" and obviously "Betty" is from James perspective. I dont know if this is news or if I am just slow! I knew Betty was from James perspective but I did not correlate Cardigan and This is me trying to that same story. I noticed that too but according to Taylor only 3 songs are about the love triangle. This is Me Trying could be a recovering addict who is now trying to apologize to people in their life that they hurt. They can't be at a party because it's filled with temptations like drugs and alcohol. But you're right, there are lyrical parallels that could work too. It's supposedly only 3 songs about the love triangle. Cardigan, august, and better. But ilicit affairs and some other songs connect too. I find it kind of difficult to follow the POVs. For example, in illicit affairs she's talking to the lover telling him what to tell his friends. Then she says "the perfume that you picked out just for him". Does she change the POV there? Or is the guy bisexual or is she singing about what she's doing herself? I'm probably not making sense but I'm confused. I don't think the POV changes or that the guy is bisexual lol I think it's almost like she is talking to herself, you know like when you talk to yourself and you're like "Ok, you have to calm down", you tend to talk to yourself in that POV. Or maybe it's Taylor narrating.
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Post by biggerwow on Jul 29, 2020 1:50:32 GMT
Lol the bisexual thing I got from her. This album is so wordy that it's sometimes hard to follow. Like I also didn't notice on Betty she says James name so for a long time I was who is James why is everyone talking about James 🤣. AJ, the reaction, girl missed it too lol
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Post by Panchali on Jul 29, 2020 8:45:56 GMT
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Post by Jinkxx on Jul 29, 2020 11:35:50 GMT
I found this really cool tool you can use to rank your favorite Taylor songs: jesseepinkman.tumblr.com/tswiftsongThis was my top 10: 1. Out of the Woods 2. Clean 3. Cruel Summer 4. Epiphany 5. Daylight 6. This Love 7. Red 8. Sparks Fly 9. Fearless 10. Call It What You Want Bottom 5 were: illicit affairs Superstar I heart ? Innocent Invisible Singles in my top 10: 5 (if you include promo singles) TS: 0 Fearless: 1 Speak Now: 1 RED: 1 1989: 3 reputation: 1 Lover: 2 folklore: 1 I'd say my results were pretty accurate. Gosh, took me my whole lunchbreak and it got very difficult. My top 20 tho I choose very much from Folklore everytime I got this: 1 All Too Well 2 Style 3 Wonderland 4 Getaway Car 5 Don't Blame Me 6 I Did Something Bad 7 You Are in Love 8 Out of the Woods 9 King Of My Heart 10 Delicate 11 Clean 12 Afterglow 13 Gorgeous 14 Wildest Dreams 15 Blank Space 16 All You Had To Do Was Stay 17 LWYMMD 18 Cornelia Street 19 Miss Americana & the Heartbreak Prince 20 Treacherous
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 29, 2020 15:13:58 GMT
Yeah I should have given a warning that if you want to do the ranking, it will take a very long time to complete. I think it took me nearly an hour lol
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Post by katy on Jul 29, 2020 15:33:36 GMT
Imagine how good it would’ve been if cardigan/August/Betty were the singles and the videos were the story of the love triangle
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jul 29, 2020 16:55:22 GMT
I do wonder if there will be any more singles/videos from this album. I think The Last Great American Dynasty could have a really nice video with footage from her house in Rhode Island. I feel like Exile is a very strong possibility for a single since it's a feature as well as a fan favorite. I think Betty would also make a great single. But filming music videos right now isn't the easiest thing because of the social distancing measures.
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