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Post by In Wonderland on Mar 20, 2018 20:42:35 GMT
But does it matter if she hear a song, lovedd it and bought it, than her writting a half-hearted song by herself? Idrc if In Touch is a feature, Bebe or Avril song. Its just exciting that there is new music that is being written and recorded! Some things is just as personal and dear even tho you did not make it
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Post by Erik on Mar 20, 2018 22:24:57 GMT
But does it matter if she hear a song, lovedd it and bought it, than her writting a half-hearted song by herself? Idrc if In Touch is a feature, Bebe or Avril song. Its just exciting that there is new music that is being written and recorded! Some things is just as personal and dear even tho you did not make it I dont care really, just give me a new song LOL
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Post by In Wonderland on Mar 20, 2018 23:09:27 GMT
Your move What if Avril release a bought song as the lead if not Warrior, would that ruin the feel of AL6 or do you think as long as the song is good is it doesn't matter?
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Post by Hellelujah on Mar 20, 2018 23:19:09 GMT
I'm not sure if Avril is the one who came out with the concepts in all her songs. We don't know the story of each one of them. Maybe, for example, what if Max Martin and Shellback wrote Smile and Avril just added some lyrics? or another song in her albums? IT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE. Just like Breakaway where Avril didn't wrote a letter but she was the inspiration of the song.
But now we know that In Touch wasn't originally written by her. But maybe we have plenty of songs in her older albums with the same history but we don't know them.
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Post by orangesky on Mar 20, 2018 23:26:22 GMT
I always suspected Runaway didn't start with her since she didn't work with Kara Dioguardi any other time. I always guessed it was a song written (or partially written) by Dr Luke and Kara and he brought it along thinking it was something Avril would like and she added to it or whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 23:57:32 GMT
IMO, for a record where sheโs claiming itโs her most personal yet, it would be disheartening for her NOT to have her hand in writing the songs. To be fair, she DID write on In Touch after it was given to her.
I know you guys are desperate for new music, but come on... taking pre-made songs and only writing over parts of it? thatโs not who Avril is at all.
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Post by jant017 on Mar 21, 2018 0:15:47 GMT
But maybe it's just for a bonus track or something?? She didn't write bad reputation. I'm confident Avril would not include a track on an album that wasn't hers. It's not who she is
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 0:22:28 GMT
But maybe it's just for a bonus track or something?? She didn't write bad reputation. I'm confident Avril would not include a track on an album that wasn't hers. It's not who she is That's the difference. That's a cover of a song. Sometimes people write completed songs and send them out to different artists. If the artist likes it, they record it and claim it as theirs, and sometimes even take credit. I just can't wrap my mind around people being okay with Avril doing that just because they want new music.
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Post by jant017 on Mar 21, 2018 0:31:32 GMT
I would NEVER be okay with her doing that. It goes against her brand and everything she stands for.
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Post by Jack on Mar 21, 2018 0:40:19 GMT
She possibly got a pre-written song and changed a few things here and there, I don't think it's the end of the world, to be honest. If all songs were like that and/or she wasn't credited as writer at all, then I would be more concerned. Avril has written quite a few songs by herself at this point (mostly good, by the way), so it's not really fair to say she doesn't write her own songs. And she started her career by not having that big of an involvement on songwriting, despite what she and/or her label tried to say.
If I remember correctly, Lauren Christy was credited on In Touch as well, so she was likely the connection between Bebe and the original song and Avril; also, the credits may include lyrics AND music, we don't really know how the original song was about and what Avril changed. And for those worrying about the song not being "genuinely Avril", I think some of those "hitmaker" songs made with Max Martin, Shellback, Martin Johnson, J-Kash and others may not be that much "genuine" either, if not less.
We don't know if In Touch will be even released, in the past she's been included as performer in songs that weren't released at all, so this may very well be the case. We'll just have to wait and see, and then judge. But I'm not too concerned, so far...
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Post by Hiyorin on Mar 21, 2018 1:18:51 GMT
She described it as her "most personal album" so yes, is important that she had some input in the songs. Or that, at least, the song moves something in her.
This is her story and I want her to tell it with her words. Maybe she bought the song (songs) and made some lyrical changes in order to make it fit her journey and the album in general.
I really love when artists write their own songs because it adds something personal and they seem more rounded as musicians. But whatever works for this album I'm okay with it as long as it makes sense.
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Post by Hellelujah on Mar 21, 2018 1:58:30 GMT
You can still have a personal album if you're the concept of the songs. It's not a must that she has to be the song creator. Just like Revival by Selena Gomez, she didn't write all her songs and it's still personal. Sometimes when a song it's a hit you heard the songwriters talk about who came out with the idea, just like Wrecking Ball that was originally intended for Beyonce, it makes you think who really started the concept in some songs.
And I agreed with Jack, I think the "hit songs" weren't her ideas, I can't really see Avril saying yeah let's write a song about partyig in the beach, probably the writers when they thought in Avril and how a song should be for her they probably think in TBDT era and her bratty and young image and that's why her "hit songs" always have the same concept.
But it's not a big deal, I don't care if she didn't come with the concept or the first lyrics. As long as she makes the song sound like her stuff I'm ok.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 2:34:45 GMT
I can assure you that the way you guys are describing how the previous songs that she went back to record with the โhit makersโ were made is not at ALL how it happened.
Itโs possible that some of the tracks were completed (with no lyrics or melody), and Avril and whoever she was working with wrote over the track. She has input as to what she wants to change about the sound and track in general. Sippin on Sunshine for example lists Avril, Chad and David as being involved in the production and lyrics as well as Epicโs hit makers. So the idea of those songs being handed to her is debunked.
There is absolutely no way that she was just straight up handed a song and put her name on it after being an artist for 10-15 years at the time.
She has always been hands-on and involved in the whole entire process beginning to end. (Except for maybe Let Go, but thatโs understandable considering it was her first record and she was new. She also made up for it in UMS where most tracks were just her and one other person writing on them) Thatโs her appeal and part of why sheโs been successful.
Comparing Avril, someone whoโs very involved in her music, to other artists whoโve been handed hit songs ready to record is an insult to her.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 3:10:24 GMT
For anyone curious as to how hit songs are typically made with hit makers, watch this. + yes. J Kash worked with Avril on her songs on AL5
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Post by Hellelujah on Mar 21, 2018 3:16:23 GMT
I can assure you that the way you guys are describing how the previous songs that she went back to record with the โhit makersโ were made is not at ALL how it happened. Itโs possible that some of the tracks were completed (with no lyrics or melody), and Avril and whoever she was working with wrote over the track. She has input as to what she wants to change about the sound and track in general. Sippin on Sunshine for example lists Avril, Chad and David as being involved in the production and lyrics as well as Epicโs hit makers. So the idea of those songs being handed to her is debunked. There is absolutely no way that she was just straight up handed a song and put her name on it after being an artist for 10-15 years at the time. She has always been hands-on and involved in the whole entire process beginning to end. (Except for maybe Let Go, but thatโs understandable considering it was her first record and she was new. She also made up for it in UMS where most tracks were just her and one other person writing on them) Thatโs her appeal and part of why sheโs been successful. Comparing Avril, someone whoโs very involved in her music, to other artists whoโve been handed hit songs ready to record is an insult to her. I think you're missing the point no one is saying that she didn't write anything and just put her name as a writer. In my part, I'm just saying maybe she wasn't the one who came out with the idea/concept of SOME songs, but she did write lyrics and probably changed the musical direction. But tbh nobody knows the truth and probably we will never know. These are only our opinions just like yours.
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