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Post by StrongSweet on Oct 23, 2017 17:33:47 GMT
She def hates deadlines. Who knows if she is gonna surprise us or freaks us out. If the album couldnt get any better, id rather just release it than wasting time to refine it .
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Post by orangesky on Oct 23, 2017 17:56:12 GMT
She def hates deadlines. Who knows if she is gonna surprise us or freaks us out. If the album couldnt get any better, id rather just release it than wasting time to refine it . I feel like at this point, where we can basically gaurantee any time this year being a bad time to release, she may as well stay in the studio. Even if they have a full album ready and are just waiting for the new year it's more productive for her to stay in the studio, write some b-sides/bonus tracks, maybe something for that Xmas album she so wants to do. It's hard to tell right now whether she's there because she wants to be or whether she just doesn't have much else to do with the rest of the year blocked out. I would like her to announce her new single end of December personally, promote it on some New Years shows or something and release it early January.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Oct 23, 2017 17:57:35 GMT
We better get bonus tracks and a proper deluxe edition this time, considering how many songs she has probably recorded for this album. Not here for the millionth release of Bad Reputation and a 15-year-old cover of Knockin' On Heaven's Door.
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Post by orangesky on Oct 23, 2017 18:48:11 GMT
We better get bonus tracks and a proper deluxe edition this time, considering how many songs she has probably recorded for this album. Not here for the millionth release of Bad Reputation and a 15-year-old cover of Knockin' On Heaven's Door. I love bonus tracks and b-sides. I think it's fascinating to see what didn't quite make the album. I hope the album has a solid 13/14 songs plus a deluxe edition with new tracks (not just Fly, because I can see that happening) and I think Japan or China or somewhere like deserve at least one bonus since they're such a loyal, solid market for her
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Post by Sara on Oct 23, 2017 19:05:08 GMT
I find wrong to distort an artist deeply from the main genre for which is known or in any case that characterizes her. If you think about it, Avril has started losing fans after 'Under My Skin' because many complained that she had changed too much; even though TBDT has been a commercial success. So it's okay change something, explore, but she also have to stay true to herself... Avril has conquered us with pop rock, it's the genre that mark her. Thatβs life, though. People change and she might not even want to go in that direction anymore. Itβs okay and natural for that to happen, and it for sure doesnβt mean she isnβt being herself. It wouldnβt be fair to keep her in a specific genre of music for the rest of her career. Sheβd be giving up her own happiness just to keep old βfansβ. She may have lost some when she made TBDT, but she sure as heck gained a whole bunch of new ones. Take a look at any of the biggest pop acts of late. Many of them have done a complete 180 in terms of style despite their original style being what gained them success in the first place. A lot of the time, thatβs how longevity is achieved. Side note: In my opinion, even if you end up not liking the new music, if you want your favorite artist to keep creating in hopes of them eventually making something you like, you support them. Not buying the new stuff because you think itβll teach her a lesson on what you want is a sure fire way to make sure sheβs never able to make music again. Avril never made an album similar to another. And at the end of the day, a lot of fans are still here since 2002 in spite of her changes. Including me. I'm not saying she should be anchored to her old musical style, but personally I'd be a bit disoriented if Avril change completely. I hope AL6 is well assorted with various sounds...
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Post by TomX on Oct 23, 2017 19:40:08 GMT
GL and AL had hits and misses IMO. I think what most people mean is she hasnβt made a truly solid album since 2007. Her first 3 albums were highly original, distinctive, a consistent theme throughout, good production, and she was passionate about the product. GL was tainted by the Max Martin songs, some of her own songs IMO fell flat in the writing and the production I thought was too basic (sorry I will never understand why people love this album or call it a masterpiece, I think itβs boring and dull). AL, while it has some standout tracks, had no consistency and some of the production is just outright awful (excess auto tune, Disney Channel fake pop instruments). She seemed over the whole thing in both those eras by the time the album was released and it resulted in poor live performances. Her last album that I truly loved was TBDT. And IMO that is the last truly great album she made. I want AL6 to feel like her first 3 albums, or maybe GL on steroids. Consistency, great and innovative production, originality, strong writing. A record that is great quality throughout and not just a few good songs here and there. True. I agree. I think GL as a concept was very interesting, but it was poorly executed. To have a post-divorce, more adult-driven album was a great idea. However, some of the songs are, as Bogog said, dull. She should've gotten better advice on her writing for some of the songs, since they are quite "straight to the point" and lack creative and poetic input. Despite AL being my least favorite album by far, I find it easier to listen to from beginning to end, it's more entertaining. GL throws in a handful of ballads all put together that are not bad, but make people bored at a certain point. They are not strong enough to keep the listener entertained. Of course, there's no accounting for tastes. But I do prefer her first three albums since they're much more solid and consistent. I hope this never ending wait for AL6 will be worth it and she'll deliver something as strong as those three first ones.
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Post by TomX on Oct 23, 2017 19:45:09 GMT
She def hates deadlines. Who knows if she is gonna surprise us or freaks us out. If the album couldnt get any better, id rather just release it than wasting time to refine it .Let's not forget that her best albums were the ones she completed in a few months' time. She herself has also said that when you've spent too much time on one thing it's better to scrap it. That makes me wonder how much she's polishing, re-recording, rewriting these songs. It's not a good signal if she's taking this long to finish the same thing she's been working on for at least one year.
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Post by Hellelujah on Oct 23, 2017 19:53:34 GMT
Avril never made an album similar to another. And at the end of the day, a lot of fans are still here since 2002 in spite of her changes. Including me. I'm not saying she should be anchored to her old musical style, but personally I'd be a bit disoriented if Avril change completely. I hope AL6 is well assorted with various sounds... AL have various sounds. I don't think it is a good move to do that again. Maybe two sounds are good but AL had many. I agreed the last two album were not commercially succesful but they have very good tracks. Many people say they were a mess because they didn't top the charts. Wish You Were Here, Give You Want You Like, Bad Girl, Smile, Stop Standing There, Hush Hush these are GREAT songs. I think the problem in those eras were the singles choices. But anyways, I really hope Avril is worried about not deliver AL6 and because of that she release a christmas EP, she still have time to write and record an EP. Christmas and Chill by Ariana Grande was recorded in 4 days. I have the feeling that AL6 is something like Beyonce's Lemonade. Maybe sheΒ΄s planning now a visual too. If the album has a very good concept it could do great in sales. Maybe we will get the first single on January and album early march. also I think it could be a surprise album, I know some artists have done this before, like saying my album is now out everywhere without saying something months or weeks ago.
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Post by Samo dean on Oct 23, 2017 20:59:27 GMT
Instruments, instruments and instruments. That's what we need. Her voice just doesn't blend well with beats and fake sounds. I hope Rottem doesn't take her there. Exactly real instruments makes the final product's quality and production way better , and if she wanted to experience with some "fake" electronics sounds/beats I hope to to God she does it in a smart way, like Lana Del rey or Billie Eilish they both used "fake sounds and beats" in their songs but the result was amazing.
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Post by shuhan on Oct 23, 2017 21:43:57 GMT
I love Goodbye Lullaby it is one of my favourite album, I like it more then AL5.
I think the album flows really well the 2nd part of it, I enjoyed the max martin songs especially Wish You Were Here and Smile.
If Wish You Were Here was the 1st single the album it would have done a lot more better imo.
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Post by TamyXD on Oct 23, 2017 22:55:59 GMT
I also like GL a lot, more than TBDT and AL.
AL is too much of a mess; all over the place, bad production, too much autotune, no creativity (heck, they couldn't even think of a decent name), and Avril had such an obvious lack of motivation.
TBDT is in its style a very good record, very solid, great instrumentation and production (except for that high-pitched sound of Avril's voice and the instruments; no idea where that comes from). But I just don't like pop-punk. It sounds kinda childish and chaotic to me. It was awesome when I was 10 years old, but by now I simply feel too old and serious for it. I just can't like it that much.
GL was overall pretty good, the idea was great, but not very well done. "Smile" and especially "What The Hell" just didn't fit. The other Max Martin tracks suffered mostly from bad drum machines (especially WYWH imo). The songs were poorly written; always the same melody (I got the album's songbook; pretty much all songs consist of the same chords: F, C, Am, G or D, A, F#m, E) and very basic lyrics ("I told you everything, you know my feelings"... sorry, but... *facepalm*). But I like the genre much more than TBDT's pop-punk. I also actually like some of the album's simplicity, and the emotion and the lightness.
But despite me liking GL a lot more than TBDT, I still agree that Avril hasn't really managed to create a great version of her sound since TBDT. Her first three albums were all very cohesive, well produced, and (more or less) well written. GL and AL, however.... That's when the whole mess with fake instruments, flat or just bad production, and Avril's original vision getting (half) killed by forced "hit maker songs" started.
Btw, sorry for kinda going off topic. I just wanted / had to put in my two cents to this discussion.
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Post by sammy2010 on Oct 23, 2017 23:40:29 GMT
I'll repeat myself, AL had some decent songs, Hush Hush, sippin on sunshine, but I think the album waa rewritten and overworked. Two much redoing and drawing it out. When it was done, it should have been left alone. Beginning to think it's an artist issue not a label issue.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Oct 23, 2017 23:48:25 GMT
I donβt get why people are saying itβs Avril when itβs well known that the delays with GL and AL were in fact the label.
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Post by StrongSweet on Oct 24, 2017 2:30:22 GMT
We better get bonus tracks and a proper deluxe edition this time, considering how many songs she has probably recorded for this album. Not here for the millionth release of Bad Reputation and a 15-year-old cover of Knockin' On Heaven's Door. Avril said that songs didnt make to final cut because she didnt like them. But I think her labels were trying to hide the original vision of the album by forbidden orinal b-sides
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Post by Sarah93 on Oct 24, 2017 8:22:18 GMT
I still have a really positive feeling about this album I agree, I really hope she'll give us a new sound, for example her part in Wings Clipped (without the electronic part ofc) is really great imo
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