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Post by katy on Oct 3, 2017 18:59:14 GMT
Haha the cathedral is lovely to be fair. Just don't venture out after dark.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 19:05:09 GMT
Must we argue about everything? I've been all over the UK. Especially enjoyed my time in Gloucester and Edinburgh. It's because us Brits get it a lot, seeing as it's the main place people go in the UK. Just like when people call the UK England... That and the British stereotype doesn't even fit 90% of Brits haha. But I'm sure many other countries have the same 'problem'. Did I spell it wrong? What a niche place to visit I think shying from talking about politics or world events is never a good thing. It's important to talk about imo and very interesting. It's literally our every-day lives. And it's not difficult to be civil, and it's a shame when people mistake passion for aggressiveness. Although it's difficult to tell over text. I am 100% against having easy access to guns, so thankfully it's not my country. IMO it's only self defence if the person shooting you misses. And you hear so many sad stories of accidents. So if an American could explain to me I'd love to see your point of view because I just don't understand it coming from a country where few people have them. The only explanations I've heard is "it's our right" etc. But there's also the problem that there's no way this guy got these guns legally so that obviously needs looking into and gun laws are perhaps not the right topic. I know the problem is a lot more difficult than restricting access to guns and who has access to them but shootings happen so often, do governments do anything to change it after one or just accept it? I know you will never stop all criminals, just like it's so difficult to stop someone killing people by other means, but surely there's something that can be done to lessen this in some way? I'm glad Avril is speaking up because it's obvious it's something she's passionate about. I also like how she's not telling you how to think, she's telling you to go out and do something if you want to. The more people involved, the better IMO. Yes, It's aggressive to call a whole country stupid. Becky, Have you ever been to the American West? Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, etc.? That is where you will find your answers. The east coast reminds me of England and the UK. The west is different than any other place I've been.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 19:09:02 GMT
Haha the cathedral is lovely to be fair. Just don't venture out after dark. It's Disney World compared to, say, downtown Caracas after sunset. Now what can you tell me about Manchester? That is on my list next time I get over there.
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Post by katy on Oct 3, 2017 19:16:50 GMT
Haha the cathedral is lovely to be fair. Just don't venture out after dark. It's Disney World compared to, say, downtown Caracas after sunset. Now what can you tell me about Manchester? That is on my list next time I get over there. Manchester's a bit far north for me, think Becky is from the area though?
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Post by Becky on Oct 3, 2017 19:54:43 GMT
It's because us Brits get it a lot, seeing as it's the main place people go in the UK. Just like when people call the UK England... That and the British stereotype doesn't even fit 90% of Brits haha. But I'm sure many other countries have the same 'problem'. What a niche place to visit I think shying from talking about politics or world events is never a good thing. It's important to talk about imo and very interesting. It's literally our every-day lives. And it's not difficult to be civil, and it's a shame when people mistake passion for aggressiveness. Although it's difficult to tell over text. I am 100% against having easy access to guns, so thankfully it's not my country. IMO it's only self defence if the person shooting you misses. And you hear so many sad stories of accidents. So if an American could explain to me I'd love to see your point of view because I just don't understand it coming from a country where few people have them. The only explanations I've heard is "it's our right" etc. But there's also the problem that there's no way this guy got these guns legally so that obviously needs looking into and gun laws are perhaps not the right topic. I know the problem is a lot more difficult than restricting access to guns and who has access to them but shootings happen so often, do governments do anything to change it after one or just accept it? I know you will never stop all criminals, just like it's so difficult to stop someone killing people by other means, but surely there's something that can be done to lessen this in some way? I'm glad Avril is speaking up because it's obvious it's something she's passionate about. I also like how she's not telling you how to think, she's telling you to go out and do something if you want to. The more people involved, the better IMO. Yes, It's aggressive to call a whole country stupid. Becky, Have you ever been to the American West? Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, etc.? That is where you will find your answers. The east coast reminds me of England and the UK. The west is different than any other place I've been. Oh yeah ofc it's not a nice thing to say, I wasn't referring to that. I meant when people get passionate and threads like this get shut down because it can look aggressive via text when it didn't mean to be. But it's still easy to re read what you said and be civil. No, I've only been able to afford to go to the US once, and did a few places on the East Coast as that's where my boyfriend was working. I just want to be able to understand it from someone who likes having guns. I met a few Americans who didn't like the fact Obama tried to 'improve' (I suppose it depends on your view on the matter) gun laws because it's the (2nd?) amendment and it's their right to have one. That doesn't make sense - you don't like something just because it's law. No one likes everything about their country. Someone even said the attacks in Europe wouldn't have happened if the population had guns. But I dunno what a bullet can do against a truck or bomb so I disagree with that statement. It's hard to see it from a view/place you're not from.
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Post by Becky on Oct 3, 2017 19:57:28 GMT
It's Disney World compared to, say, downtown Caracas after sunset. Now what can you tell me about Manchester? That is on my list next time I get over there. Manchester's a bit far north for me, think Becky is from the area though? I'm from Yorkshire but just moved to Lancashire a month ago so I'm not an expert but have been fairly often. Manchester city centre is quite nice, it's hard to see it as a holiday destination though haha. But in Manchester you're not far from Liverpool if you're into music history/The Beatles etc. and the docks are supposed to be nice. And you're also about an hour/hour and a half from the Lake District which is lovely. Manchester is close by the Peak District too which is beautiful.
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Post by Avengium on Oct 3, 2017 20:13:09 GMT
I agree with you becky.
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Post by Crush on Oct 4, 2017 0:30:46 GMT
I agree with you becky. I feel kind of conflicted about this. Like I do agree as well, and it does sometimes annoy me when a celebrity remains silent when something very major has happened politically etc. At the same time, it can be a bit hurtful (probably not the right word) to find out that your favourite star/role model etc. supports completely different views from you. Music is an escape for many, including myself, and sometimes people need just that. I'm Canadian, and as an almost 100% die hard liberal (lol) country, I was upset with some political thing last year. And on that same upsetting day, I found out one of my fave artists had uploaded a surprise song and it reeeeally made me feel great. If that artist had instead made some remarks about the event, then maybe I would've felt more bothered. I hope this made some sense. I like Av for her music and could care less what she thinks of a certain political viewpoint, but that's just me. Again, at the same time though, I do get what you mean.
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Post by ben545 on Oct 4, 2017 1:13:37 GMT
I'm sorry I called the American people stupid. 11600 gun related deaths so far this year is a lot of dead people. Seems kind of stupid to me. Is that better? I'm sorry, I don't know how else to express my opinion. Do Americans have some kind of death wish? How can they live like that? How can those figures be acceptable? It's really quite scary.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 1:42:19 GMT
I think I hear your Mommy calling Ben. Put on some pants and go get your milk and cookies.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Oct 4, 2017 3:05:53 GMT
I'm sorry I called the American people stupid. 11600 gun related deaths so far this year is a lot of dead people. Seems kind of stupid to me. Is that better? I'm sorry, I don't know how else to express my opinion. Do Americans have some kind of death wish? How can they live like that? How can those figures be acceptable? It's really quite scary. Not all Americans think the same about gun laws. Many Americans, myself included, believe the gun laws need to be stricter. You need to stop generalizing a whole country of people. Does everyone in the UK think the same about everything? Probably not. It's the same here, not all Americans run around with guns as we chew on hot dogs and apple pie. The 2 schools of thought in the US are: The right to bear arms is our second amendment right. Many people believe this right should remain intact, as it's written in the constitution. The other side of the fence believes the laws need to be changed to make it more difficult to get guns because obviously too many of the wrong people have been getting them. Some argue that making the laws stricter will not necessarily stop criminals from getting guns, which I do think is a valid point. If people really want guns, they will find some way to get them illegally and it's not like they will care at all about following the law. But I do think some improvements can be made, like it's bizarre that that guy in Vegas just walked into a hotel with all those weapons and no questions were asked. I think we also need to do a lot more for mental health in this country.
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Post by Becky on Oct 4, 2017 5:32:27 GMT
I agree with you becky. I feel kind of conflicted about this. Like I do agree as well, and it does sometimes annoy me when a celebrity remains silent when something very major has happened politically etc. At the same time, it can be a bit hurtful (probably not the right word) to find out that your favourite star/role model etc. supports completely different views from you. Music is an escape for many, including myself, and sometimes people need just that. I'm Canadian, and as an almost 100% die hard liberal (lol) country, I was upset with some political thing last year. And on that same upsetting day, I found out one of my fave artists had uploaded a surprise song and it reeeeally made me feel great. If that artist had instead made some remarks about the event, then maybe I would've felt more bothered. I hope this made some sense. I like Av for her music and could care less what she thinks of a certain political viewpoint, but that's just me. Again, at the same time though, I do get what you mean. Yeah that makes sense but at the end of the day celebs are just humans too. I really don't mind if Avril speaks up about something or not, but there is a right and a wrong way for a celebrity to do it IMO. But it upsets me a little when people don't want anything to do with politics/never want to talk about it because it's literally real life. I mean sure, you can't just walk up to your prime minister and complain about what upset you (although Trudeau does seem pretty in touch/speaks to people if you can catch him - a refreshing approach to have a politician who speaks to the people of his country) but in most countries you can go to cabinet meetings with your local MP. I did an internship at my local council and it changed my idea on politics, your MPs are a lot more accessible than you think - in the UK at least. But I do 100% agree sometimes you want an escape and if something you disagree with politically happens its upsetting, which is why I thought it all being in one thread was a good idea.
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Post by Sarah93 on Oct 4, 2017 6:38:27 GMT
I feel kind of conflicted about this. Like I do agree as well, and it does sometimes annoy me when a celebrity remains silent when something very major has happened politically etc. At the same time, it can be a bit hurtful (probably not the right word) to find out that your favourite star/role model etc. supports completely different views from you. Music is an escape for many, including myself, and sometimes people need just that. I'm Canadian, and as an almost 100% die hard liberal (lol) country, I was upset with some political thing last year. And on that same upsetting day, I found out one of my fave artists had uploaded a surprise song and it reeeeally made me feel great. If that artist had instead made some remarks about the event, then maybe I would've felt more bothered. I hope this made some sense. I like Av for her music and could care less what she thinks of a certain political viewpoint, but that's just me. Again, at the same time though, I do get what you mean. Yeah that makes sense but at the end of the day celebs are just humans too. I really don't mind if Avril speaks up about something or not, but there is a right and a wrong way for a celebrity to do it IMO. But it upsets me a little when people don't want anything to do with politics/never want to talk about it because it's literally real life. I mean sure, you can't just walk up to your prime minister and complain about what upset you (although Trudeau does seem pretty in touch/speaks to people if you can catch him - a refreshing approach to have a politician who speaks to the people of his country) but in most countries you can go to cabinet meetings with your local MP. I did an internship at my local council and it changed my idea on politics, your MPs are a lot more accessible than you think - in the UK at least. But I do 100% agree sometimes you want an escape and if something you disagree with politically happens its upsetting, which is why I thought it all being in one thread was a good idea. Sadly politicians in Italy are quite different and pretty far from the people... there's a say here that says "the parliament's chairs have the strongest glue" 'cause politicians never want to leave and will do whatever just to stay :/ it'd be awesome to have such an easy approach to politicians like you guys, especially with what seems such a down to earth and open PM like Trudeau but I get what both of you mean, and personally I don't mind that much if a celeb speaks up his/her own opinion, 'cause it's everyday life - beside it doesn't affect my political views on smth if my fave celeb says smth politically I disagree with The reason why we moved the posts here is because the convo wasn't related to social media anymore, and this thread suits the argument better
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Post by paperbackwriter on Oct 4, 2017 9:48:49 GMT
I'm sorry I called the American people stupid. 11600 gun related deaths so far this year is a lot of dead people. Seems kind of stupid to me. Is that better? I'm sorry, I don't know how else to express my opinion. Do Americans have some kind of death wish? How can they live like that? How can those figures be acceptable? It's really quite scary. As an American I can honestly say that many times over the past year I have thought there are too many stupid Americans in my country. I can't stand the embarrassment that is our government at the moment. And our gun laws are ridiculous. Ok so the second amendment says we have the right to own guns but why do we need the right to own semi-automatic riffles that are designed to kill lots of people? A lot of people want to change the guns laws but unfortunately the minority who believes it's ok to own military grade weapons are loud and the NRA has given lots of money to support people in our government. That's one of the biggest problems in this country is too many politicians are given money by organisations so they won't vote against whatever it is the company supports. The guns laws will probably never change in this country because of that.
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Post by mikicomplicated on Oct 4, 2017 10:44:07 GMT
Honestly, no. I wouldn't mind if she did but I'm not expecting any such thing from her. I think it's definitely a good thing when artists use their platform to make a difference in the world for whatever cause. Lady Gaga for example really made an impact when it comes to social justice, gay rights etc., but she's also very educated and articulate about her beliefs, and she's been politically involved since the beginning of her career. I don't really perceive Avril in that way. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think Avril is any more politically involved or informed than any other average person.
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