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Post by Sarah93 on Mar 15, 2017 21:52:04 GMT
I just found those old videos Cliff posted, I cannot lie, I find them interesting but... what a creep! He's putting on those vhs tapes and film them in a dark room to put them on YouTube (it's 2017 dude!). I can kind of understand why he's into her, but he's too obsessed! And why post those videos only now? It's already been 15 years, get over it!
I also find his "descriptions" really weird, especially the last one... I really don't know what he's hinting at, and calling a teenager bad and corrupt is really too much - I think almost everyone becomes a little bit of a rebel in his/her teenage year, it's very common to go against your parents in order to find yourself, and drinking alcohol just a couple of years before the legal age doesn't surprise me, I've done it and so many teens do so, I don't know about the story of her stealing a car, but I guess I've made my point - he was also unprofessional and not classy in revealing details of Avril and her mum's relationship!
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Post by Sarah93 on Mar 15, 2017 22:07:48 GMT
" She was corrupt when I met her, it was cute then. It then became, not so cute. Not when I was there. When I left, it was Avril's truth. Not a lot of facts. A lot of alternative facts, it then became a major problem for a lot of folks. This tornado was out of control. And it was a monster. 20 million records" He says that she was a corrupt kid when they met and that there was an Avril's truth, that there were a lot of alternative facts and that then it became a problem (which is negative, right?), but then he says that she was big like a tornado or like a monster by selling 20 million records (which is positive, right?)... so, what is he trying to say? This is only my interpretation
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 22:40:30 GMT
He's saying she stirred up a shit storm with a fabricated self history, but after hitting it so big, it was uncontainable and affected a lot of people. (In his opinion)
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Post by roo on Mar 19, 2017 16:18:12 GMT
it started off as a celebration of 15 years since the release of let go with videos and photos, then it got ugly really quick. A lot of it would make sense if you followed him on facebook. Apparently Avril took credit for majority of the work that was done on the album, obviously the writers got mad, but they got payed to keep quiet. So did Mr. Fabri. But he didn't get a dime off that album, yet he arranged all the co writes, studio time, living. And he got dismissed with "shut the hell up or else". This is the post that he removed a couple hours later, like "a knock on the door". The letter on the left is his response to Avril's lawyer, which states: "Avril Lavigne can continue to take credit for everyone else's work and pretend that she is this wonderful. The integrity she has shown so far is in line with the person I know. Her parents tried to get rid of her and I couldn't give her back fast enough. Mr. Wright your threat campaign throughout the settlement proceedings was a sad commentary on how you perceive this to be or the games Lawyers will play. I wanted nothing more than to go to Court and expose the Lavigne's. Do you want to talk about EMI Publishing's Christmas Party where Avril was sharing drinks with Arista Mgmt. You never did inquire about where Avril got her Pot or who supplied it. I think the settlement so that friends in the industry wouldn't have to be destroyed by your client. I shut up and took it. You want to get cuter with threats, keep talking. Pay the remainder of the settlement, you want the website changed over, you get Jenny to call me. sincerely, Cliff Fabri" The right one is paperwork and memorabilia for Let Go.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 16:31:14 GMT
He says he's happy with his life, but these aren't the actions of someone who's happy with how their life turned out. This is more like someone who's extremely bitter about how their life turned out in comparison to someone else's. It's not like he's exposing something that we didn't already know in the first place, so.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 16:42:17 GMT
Holy crap what a fucking idiot. Spilling the inside scoop on drinks and pot? Hahaha, like anyone cares. Nobody ever did what? Took what? What you say? Oh, Avril did. She told you so. Cry me a river. It's all about the $$$. Moron.
And I knew she was stoned in some of those interviews. Ha.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Mar 19, 2017 17:14:47 GMT
As far as I know, Avril has never done drugs. She's always at least claimed to be against them, aside from the occasional cigarette and of course alcohol. I don't believe she would have ever done pot, to be honest. This guy.... he can't even spell properly so I'm not sure how much merit there is to what he's saying. I do think he has the right to be bitter about the fact Avril became huge and he didn't get the credit or money. But everything else he's doing is just... It's been 15 years. Avril's a grown woman. Exposing intimate details is not the best way to go about this.
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Post by NowISee on Mar 19, 2017 17:19:14 GMT
I think it hurts a little bit of her integrity as she has always been saying how she doesn't do drugs - and never has. And how she wouldn't hang out with anyone who does them.
But in the end, I think we all know at least one person who has tried drugs even if we self haven't. And to put into perspective of hearing that 15-17 year old Avril smoked pot. Is it really that big of a deal?! Right now, as today, these accusations sound more as slander from his part than anything fans or other people should bother to care over.
But yes, so sorry for Avril that there's this kind of weirdo in her past, trying to spill the deets from an era when he was in her life. Good thing she got rid of him so early on!
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Post by BogoGog24 on Mar 19, 2017 17:27:14 GMT
IF she ever did pot, I could see her trying it once or twice before the record deal ever happened, like at a friebd's party or something. But I highly highly doubt she was a legit pothead, doing it like every day. Maybe tried it once or twice, if at all. Once her career began, she definitely wasn't doing drugs and certainly doesn't as of right now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 17:36:30 GMT
I think Avril is good at projecting what she feels the public needs to know or hear. I'm pretty sure she's a lot less straight than she lets on while letting go. Sorta like TayTay.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Mar 19, 2017 17:40:56 GMT
It's true that without Let Go Avril's career wouldn't have blown up the way that it did. However, is he also gonna try to take credit for her other successes, like UMS and TBDT? Yeah she had lots of help on the first album and sometimes acted in interviews like she contributed more than what she probably really did, but we know after that she became much more involved in her albums. It's not like she was pulling a Milli Vanilli or something. She can sing and write her own songs. It's not as though someone else is singing or writing the songs and she's taking the credit. She's proven since then that she's more than capable of writing music, etc. Most artists have a shit ton of help on their debut records.
If he knows the music industry, he also should maybe consider why Avril did oftentimes make huge claims about writing on the album, etc. She's a product and in order to selll the product they had to make it seem like Avril was different from the other pop artists because she wrote her own songs and didn't just have everything decided by other people. It would have sounded pretty lame if she was like "This guy helped me get the chance to write" and "These other writers wrote most of the lyrics, I just changed a few words," etc. Nobody would have been convinced that she was supposed to be the new Alanis of this generation. Nobody would have bought that album. She would have been deemed a bigger poser than people already thought she was. She could have been pressured by Arista to say those things. She was a teen newbie in a very tough industry. Like it or not, it's a game. Avril was playing it and that's why she succeeded. We will probably never know the real truth about what went on behind closed doors as far as writing and stuff goes. I think she should have been a little more honest about what she contributed if it's true she didn't do as much as she claimed and give credit where credit is due, but on the other hand I can totally understand why she would feel it necessary to make boisterous claims if she believed it would help her sell more music. Cliff should have realized, if he knows all this stuff about the music industry, then he should have realized why she was saying those things instead of believing it was to feed her own ego or whatever it is he thinks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 18:17:04 GMT
Like I've posted before, the fans didn't fall for the writers, producers or managers. They fell for her. Even CF admitted she was a fearless Star, as did LA. He's pathetic and classless to keep bringing this up. The Lavigne's were "trying to get rid of her" ? It takes a special kind of AH to say something like that, especially considering all the contradictions he's put forth. Put the bottle down, man. Nobody cares but you.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Mar 19, 2017 18:42:39 GMT
It's especially terrible because he's saying these things about a 15 year old girl. A 15 year old who is now over 30. This isn't normal or healthy.
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Post by ⋆niki⋆ on Mar 19, 2017 18:57:46 GMT
It's especially terrible because he's saying these things about a 15 year old girl. A 15 year old who is now over 30. This isn't normal or healthy. Looks like he's trying to revenge it or something. Really fucking weird tho.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Mar 19, 2017 19:15:09 GMT
"She can keep the money. But people will no (know) how she made it." WTF is that supposed to mean? It's like he's hellbent on making sure people know the truth.
And alright, so she had lots of help with the writing and etc. on the album. But does he really think that was the only reason it/she was successful? She still worked massively hard traveling and promoting and performing the album. None of it would have been successful if she didn't work so hard and as mentioned, she gained fans because of her personality, image, etc. Cliff helped her immensely with the necessary steps to get to that point but Avril took it the rest of the way. And after the first album she never looked back. It's like he's trying to cash in on something he was basically only semi involved in. Similar to how I don't think The Rubinoos would have tried to sue her for Girlfriend if it didn't become such a big hit. If Avril had flopped you can bet Cliff would have never admitted he was involved with her.
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