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Post by Alias on Sept 28, 2020 20:59:56 GMT
I agree about the social media thing and birthdays, it's just that she was already using it then anyway lol. But yeah, celebrating with real life friends should take priority over internet fans, so I guess I'm wrong on this one. Happy the Bandaids video got some love though.
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Post by rosegold on Nov 4, 2020 15:17:44 GMT
I'm still mad at Avril to this day for not writing a bridge for Give You What You Like -- whenever I revisit that song I can't help but feel like it could have been such a clear favorite of mine if it had a proper bridge building up to the last chorus. It could have easily been in my top 10 at the very least... it just feels like such wasted potential. I'm not sure how unpopular this opinion is, but I only ever see praise for the song and to me it is way too monotone and repetitive even tho the potential for greatness is undeniably there.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 4, 2020 15:37:07 GMT
I'm still mad at Avril to this day for not writing a bridge for Give You What You Like -- whenever I revisit that song I can't help but feel like it could have been such a clear favorite of mine if it had a proper bridge building up to the last chorus. It could have easily been in my top 10 at the very least... it just feels like such wasted potential. I'm not sure how unpopular this opinion is, but I only ever see praise for the song and to me it is way too monotone and repetitive even tho the potential for greatness is undeniably there. I agree. I always thought this song was overrated for that reason. It had potential since it was a new sound for her and her vocals sound great, but the song doesn't go anywhere melodically and it's kind of boring. I also don't like the lyrics or subject matter, I just think it doesn't represent her artistically as her songs are usually more personal or at least about breakups and stuff, not putting out lol
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Post by orangesky on Nov 4, 2020 15:59:32 GMT
I'm still mad at Avril to this day for not writing a bridge for Give You What You Like -- whenever I revisit that song I can't help but feel like it could have been such a clear favorite of mine if it had a proper bridge building up to the last chorus. It could have easily been in my top 10 at the very least... it just feels like such wasted potential. I'm not sure how unpopular this opinion is, but I only ever see praise for the song and to me it is way too monotone and repetitive even tho the potential for greatness is undeniably there. GYWYL is very dull. The 1st teaser clip was good and I was looking forward to it but like others said it just doesn't go anywhere. No ups or downs or changing intensity or emotion. Interesting note on the bridge, I remember her saying she wrote one then it became Bad Girl instead
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Post by MPone01 on Nov 5, 2020 8:44:49 GMT
I'm still mad at Avril to this day for not writing a bridge for Give You What You Like -- whenever I revisit that song I can't help but feel like it could have been such a clear favorite of mine if it had a proper bridge building up to the last chorus. It could have easily been in my top 10 at the very least... it just feels like such wasted potential. I'm not sure how unpopular this opinion is, but I only ever see praise for the song and to me it is way too monotone and repetitive even tho the potential for greatness is undeniably there. I agree. I always thought this song was overrated for that reason. It had potential since it was a new sound for her and her vocals sound great, but the song doesn't go anywhere melodically and it's kind of boring. I also don't like the lyrics or subject matter, I just think it doesn't represent her artistically as her songs are usually more personal or at least about breakups and stuff, not putting out lol I feel like this song is not about putting out. If you don't mind me saying, that is diminishing the song and its lyrical content to the very basic. If you pay attention and try to see through the obvious sexual approach of the song it clearly is about filling the loneliness with sex. Its a song about being lonely. Not loved. It's a bit of depression. A way of dealing with it, certainly. I agree it could have been interesting to listen to a proper bridge...
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 5, 2020 13:30:58 GMT
I agree. I always thought this song was overrated for that reason. It had potential since it was a new sound for her and her vocals sound great, but the song doesn't go anywhere melodically and it's kind of boring. I also don't like the lyrics or subject matter, I just think it doesn't represent her artistically as her songs are usually more personal or at least about breakups and stuff, not putting out lol I feel like this song is not about putting out. If you don't mind me saying, that is diminishing the song and its lyrical content to the very basic. If you pay attention and try to see through the obvious sexual approach of the song it clearly is about filling the loneliness with sex. Its a song about being lonely. Not loved. It's a bit of depression. A way of dealing with it, certainly. I agree it could have been interesting to listen to a proper bridge... Haha I know but it still seems like something that she’d never sing about.
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Post by biggerwow on Nov 5, 2020 21:41:48 GMT
I can't stop thinking about the lyrics for Forgotten. I enjoy the performance at Budokan and and love the rock instruental. But the lyrics and song as a whole needs more depth. The bridge makes her sound so childish. It's like going back to my childhood when I would cry after a little fight saying I'd run away. However, I give her props for making songs that fit any person or situation because the lyrics are so simple.
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Post by orangesky on Nov 5, 2020 22:42:21 GMT
I burst out laughing first time I heard the "oh oh" bit at the start. It sounds like she's trying to be a ghost or something lol Yeah, the lyrics are weak. She's basically ranting at her ex because he wasn't paying eough attention to her and doing what she wanted. She doesn't even describe anything in detail. At least in songs like LG you know why she's mad at the guy and it seems fair. She makes Forgotten sound all gothy and serious too as if it isn't about a teenager breaking up with a guy because he wasn't paying enough attention to her.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 6, 2020 1:16:38 GMT
Yeah this is why I always thought UMS was an overrated album, it’s childish af basically lol And the lyrics are so bland and nondescript.
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Post by imwiththesk8erboi on Nov 6, 2020 21:55:32 GMT
I don't count "Forgotten" as a favorite of mine, but I don't dislike it or skip it. It's pretty clear that the song is about a breakup, but the lyrics don't do it for me or at least not anymore. I was 14 when UMS came out, at that time the lyrics didn't seem childish to me, I could relate to them, but today they just don't click anymore 😄 But I do still like the melody and the haunting atmosphere it brings.
Maybe someone who really appreciates the song for more than just the melody/atmosphere can explain why they like it? A few people who did the "Avril Lavigne Song Sorter" have it in their top 20. I think it's super interesting to see why someone loves a certain song or what it means to them.
By the way, I love how healthy the discussions in this forum are 😊
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Post by Alias on Nov 6, 2020 23:50:03 GMT
Yeah this is why I always thought UMS was an overrated album, it’s childish af basically lol And the lyrics are so bland and nondescript. UMS is more about the sound for me, she started to go in a more rock/heavy direction. The lyrics are mostly average but its something about the sound, the guitars and drums, with angry Avril screaming over the top. Unfortunately she went in the opposite direction for TBDT 🤮
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Post by Panchali on Nov 7, 2020 6:02:09 GMT
Yeah this is why I always thought UMS was an overrated album, it’s childish af basically lol And the lyrics are so bland and nondescript. UMS is more about the sound for me, she started to go in a more rock/heavy direction. The lyrics are mostly average but its something about the sound, the guitars and drums, with angry Avril screaming over the top. Unfortunately she went in the opposite direction for TBDT 🤮 I was disappointed back then, as a teen I would have loved more albums like UMS.. but I can’t listen to those type of songs anymore. So I’m glad she never took that direction.
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Post by imwiththesk8erboi on Nov 8, 2020 11:01:56 GMT
I've previously said that even though I like the sound of "Forgotten" and I don't mind songs that are repetitive and unspecific, the lyrics of it don't click with me (anymore). But I've just listened to it again and had a sudden realisation that made me appreciate the song much more 😀 Like many I always thought it was about a failed relationship, but this may not be the case or at least I have a new interpretation for it. The lyrics come across quite childish, but if you see them from another perspective they're actually quite clever. Now please hear me out 😄 And keep in mind that this is all speculation!
Sometime after UMS Avril changed from "Arista Records" to "RCA Records". Maybe she did so because she wasn't seeing eye to eye with them anymore. Maybe during the process of writing and recording UMS, the record label wasn't very supportive of her vision for it.
Overall "Let Go" is a pop album, with the exception of "Losing Grip" and "Unwanted". With her second album Avril wanted to go in a more rock direction. She wanted the album to have a darker, heavier and more agressive vibe. It's no secret that record labels in general want to stay on the safe side and go with what already worked. Money is key for them!
Now looking back, I bet she had to fight hard for the album to sound like she wanted it to sound like. I think she had to make a lot if compromises. "Don't Tell Me" fits the sound of "Let Go" and probably wasn't her choice for the first single (this was also the case for "Goodbye Lullaby"). But she had to make a compromise, so that songs like "Take Me Away" and "Together" could be on the album and for TMA to be the opening track. When you check out her unreleased songs from UMS you see that there were many that didn't make the cut. You could assume that quite a few of those songs were much darker/heavier than songs like HW, WK, FO, FTP. Maybe those were songs she would've loved to be on the album. Maybe the record label put a stop to that, because they were afraid, the album wouldn't be a success if it was to much of a drastic change compared to "Let Go", which made them a lot of money. While still being signed by them she couldn't just go and publicly shame them for being a pain in the ass, so she wrote "Forgotten" as a middle finger to the record label. Most people, the record label included, would perceive it as a typical breakup song, but she knows its true meaning.
She's singing about how she wan'ts to run away but can't, meaning that she wants to leave this record label but she's stuck with them for a few more years because of the contract between them. I think this makes this part of the song seem less childish and rather clever.
Listening to the song with this in mind makes it much more enjoyable (imo). So from now on (for me) this song is a secret "F*ck you!" to a record label that wanted to put her in a box and she wasn't down with that. It's the reason she left them after UMS and went to a record label that gave her more creative freedom. She always had that mindset:
"And if that don't appeal to you, let me know And I'll go, 'cause I flow better when my colors show" 😉
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 8, 2020 13:28:44 GMT
Interesting theory but sorry, it is not true.
Her initial contract was only for 2 albums anyway, so after UMS was complete she was either going to resign with Arista or move to another label. But by that time Arista folded so she couldn’t resign with them even if she wanted to and that’s why she went to another label.
Arista was probably the most supportive label she ever worked with, even if they made her compromise a bit on LG to make it more pop, I think that’s a compromise she was willing to make.
With UMS, she didn’t show the label anything until she was done. At that point it may have been possible they went back and cut certain songs, for example there was a political song she had written about a serial killer that was in the news a lot at the time but the label refused to put it on the album. She also would have preferred MHE as the lead single. There are always going to be several unreleased songs from every album, it doesn’t mean the label didn’t want to release them, but just that there’s a limit as to how many can be on one album. Some were going to have to get left on the cutting room floor and they could have been rejected by Avril herself thinking they weren’t good enough.
I think overall UMS is what Avril wanted it to be, even if she couldn’t release the political song or a few others. I don’t think the label was that afraid of her doing a rock album since her first album did so well that whatever she put out afterwards would sell since people were really looking forward to it. And it did - it sold way more in its first week than any album she put out before or since.
I really think Forgotten is just another song on the album about her breakup with Jesse, it is pretty obvious most of the album is about him since they dated just before she started work on it, but anyone’s free to interpret the songs how they want. I think the theory could make sense within that context, the lyrics could definitely fit in that narrative, but I just don’t think she had issues with Arista that would warrant a song about it and she also changed labels because the label folded, not because she hated them. So it doesn’t add up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2020 14:10:30 GMT
I always wondered why she only got a two record deal back then.
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