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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 2, 2017 21:45:40 GMT
So what is your argument against the lyric when she says "The answer is no"? Also, I think you'd have to be really naive to believe the guy is simply concerned with her safety and that they are only staying together literally because it's cold outside. LOL
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Post by fcpunk on Dec 2, 2017 23:28:54 GMT
She sounds so good 30k streams on spotify this far
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 0:07:41 GMT
008, funny dissertation. Hard to imagine what you would write on Hello Kitty racism accusation, for example, should you get motivated (I mean - revisit that restaurant with magical drinks) But definitely it would take not less than 10 volumes in size. I don't know if this works in English, but as it's said, you made an elephant of a fly. and still it's all wrong - the song is about coaxing to having sex and nothing else. wright. it's like saying that amazon aborigenes chew coca leaves for vitamines.
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Post by Hellelujah on Dec 3, 2017 0:09:16 GMT
I think many people here is blaming her because of the performance of Baby It's Cold Outside. In the first place I don't think it was her idea, probably she received the offer and said yes, she promoted it on her social media and they added it to Avril's spotify channel because of the amount of followers she has and Jonny Blu does not have. Neither of the collabs is part of her own discography. The success mostly depends on the other hand, that is to say, Jonny Blu. We can't assume that because this song is flopping the lead single of AL6 will also flop. The song is not the best we been knew, but Avril is not responsible of the lyrics or the success of this song, which I don't know if is a single or just a song for a movie. And I don't think she needs to spend money promoting this song when she is focus in her own music, Jonny Blu/his label is the one who has to do it if he wants a better performance. I don't know if you get my point.
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Post by goodbye on Dec 3, 2017 7:48:43 GMT
I don't like her voice on it. She doesn't sound like Avril at all.
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Post by katy on Dec 3, 2017 12:19:24 GMT
So what is your argument against the lyric when she says "The answer is no"? Also, I think you'd have to be really naive to believe the guy is simply concerned with her safety and that they are only staying together literally because it's cold outside. LOL The argument is the song was written in 1944, when it wasn't seen as appropriate for an unmarried woman to stay at a mans house and they're both pushing for a few more minutes before she has to leave because her family will know. Anyone reading any more into it is, well, like a lot of people these days, looking for an issue that isn't there.
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Post by orangesky on Dec 3, 2017 12:56:35 GMT
So what is your argument against the lyric when she says "The answer is no"? Also, I think you'd have to be really naive to believe the guy is simply concerned with her safety and that they are only staying together literally because it's cold outside. LOL The argument is the song was written in 1944, when it wasn't seen as appropriate for an unmarried woman to stay at a mans house and they're both pushing for a few more minutes before she has to leave because her family will know. Anyone reading any more into it is, well, like a lot of people these days, looking for an issue that isn't there. I agree. You have to take the historical context into account. Both he and she clearly want to stay a little longer but she knows that she shouldn't because people will talk and she will be judged for it because it was the 1940s and socially innapropriate for a woman to spend the night with a man unless they were married. It's a song about wanting to do something you know you shouldn't and deciding that all your excuses for staying (like it being too cold outside to leave) are better than your reasons to go (like how people will talk).
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 3, 2017 14:05:38 GMT
You both just proved my point. I said this song doesn’t age well. If you have to look at it from the context of when it was written, that just proves what I was saying. Looking at it from the context of 2017, it sends a different message because nowadays, for one thing, it’s not seen as an issue anymore for a couple to spend the night together. Secondly, most people from today’s perspective would view it as creepy. And no, it’s got nothing to do with overly PC or seeing things that aren’t there.
There’s a lot of songs that were written decades ago that are still relevant today, like many songs by The Beatles or Elvis for example. You can look at the lyrics in the context of any decade and the meaning stays the same. This song ain’t one of them lol
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Post by katy on Dec 3, 2017 14:08:23 GMT
I wouldn't say there's a lot wrong with it from today's perspective either lol, it's still "I should go but I don't want to"
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 3, 2017 14:15:30 GMT
Well looking at the lyrics again I see what you’re both saying, initially I thought she really did want to get home and the guy was trying to convince her to stay, but it kind of does seem like the only reason she wants to leave is due to social pressure from others. So I do get that upon re-reading the lyrics. Still, I do think this song is outdated. As I said, now it’s not seen as inappropriate for a couple to spend the night together. She also talks about having a cigarette when back then it was normal for everyone to smoke. Let’s just say it’s not surprising that this song is from the ‘40s.
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Post by Uncle Bob on Dec 3, 2017 19:28:14 GMT
Well looking at the lyrics again I see what you’re both saying, initially I thought she really did want to get home and the guy was trying to convince her to stay, but it kind of does seem like the only reason she wants to leave is due to social pressure from others. So I do get that upon re-reading the lyrics. Still, I do think this song is outdated. As I said, now it’s not seen as inappropriate for a couple to spend the night together. She also talks about having a cigarette when back then it was normal for everyone to smoke. Let’s just say it’s not surprising that this song is from the ‘40s. Maybe. Maybe not. To be seen leaving the morning after is still called "the walk of shame". Though, it's nowhere near as shameful as it was back then.
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Post by 8boi on Dec 4, 2017 2:47:01 GMT
As far as some ppl's perception of creepy. I don't agree with this either. As I mentioned, part of the lyrics are inner thoughts and feelings and some are actual dialogue. Many of the lines are not responded to by the other person as if they were never said and some do create a reaction in the other person, which would be expected of spoken dialogue. What I'm getting at is something I've noticed from my personal life and has been admitted to by women I've spent time with throughout the spectrum from maybe only one casual date or weekend and gone, to somebody who was a long term relationship. What I've noticed is that when I start caring about someone - whether I'm really aware of it or willing to admit it or not - it is not unusual that I acutally will become irrationally worried about something happening to them like dangerous or life threatening sometimes. I'm not saying this is my standard reaction with everyone by a long shot, more like only rare and occasional. And women have admitted the same irrational thoughts to me - either about the same phase in a relationship or maybe long after in retrospect. Again, I'm not suggesting this is a standard part of my relating to women I barely know, but It does happen sometimes whether I want it to or not. It is also not an overwhelming thought or anxiety, but may be just fleeting and women have admitted to the same kind of, let's say, negative daydreaming to me, driven by unexpected emotional involvement. In relation to the song, his thoughts might seem a bit "creepy" and wierd to some ppl's perception, but that is why the song strikes me as more real. By the end he is actually afraid she would die and he'd never see her again bc of the danger. Then he actually expresses a desperation in his final line, but this is caused by a fear in him, not to control her. The whole process is sped up and dramatized because it is a song and the story must be told in only a few minutes which also might seem to make it a bit strange. But this could just as well be a series of dates compressed into one scene. The message is more about the emotional sequence than a linear story imo.
These are things which may or may not be written into a lot of the pop hits in todays world. The same is true of novels written decades ago. Some of the stuff seems almost embarassing, or "too much information", by today's standards, bc it seems too honest for todays world where everyone is out to impress each other and feels they must always present only their best self every minute. So I don't perceive the song's transparancy as something negative. The storyline to me is more about two people who are struggling with being drawn together, at first maybe due to a situation but that is very brief, before the emotions take over to drive the rest of the encounter. And that might be the part where it seems like a coercion, but a coercion of fighting feellings which are forming on their own out of the control of the two people. The whole thing is done very cute and upbeat imo, and I immediataly related to being in similar situations as far as the emotional dynamics are concerned, though the context of the weather are not part of my personal experence or memories of dating and meeting women and such.
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Post by Ino on Dec 4, 2017 19:16:53 GMT
I don't like her voice on it. She doesn't sound like Avril at all.That's because it's Melissa.
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Post by Hellelujah on Dec 14, 2017 22:59:18 GMT
Jonny Blu said on his instagram that they didn't have time to make a music video, but if enough people request it maybe they can do it.
Well, I don't think so, even on spotify the song has not enough plays, around 90,000
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Post by streckfuz on Dec 15, 2017 20:11:31 GMT
So... they did a new cover for the song and it's up on everywhere (spotify, itunes, etc)
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