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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 5:12:24 GMT
At first when I found out there was a new song released I was really excited and motivated, but now I wish she never released it... I mean look how silent this song has been (just Brazil in day 1) and how messy it sounds!
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Post by greeneyedsoul on Nov 28, 2017 9:59:00 GMT
Finally on Spotify
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Post by Erik on Nov 28, 2017 10:29:32 GMT
im over this song tbh, i listened altogether twice. cant wait for the album tho.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 28, 2017 12:42:08 GMT
Yeah... this song doesn't age well lol Really? How many songs from 70 years ago are still being recorded these days? It maybe too soon to call it a timeless classic. But, it is an American standard. When Skater Boi is 70 years old, do you think anyone will still be covering it? By then, I'll be long long gone. But, you have a good chance of surviving that long. I hope you do. I wish you a long and happy life. And if you do, and you hear this song, I hope you'll remember me... kindly. Did anyone else actually watch the movie? I recorded and watched it just to see where the song would come in. It was at the beginning and Avril got her credit early. But, then I watched the whole thing. It wasn't wonderful. It was good. It was nice. Good enough for me. I’m talking more about the lyrics. I mean most people have criticized the lyrics for sounding date-rapey, like “What’s in this drink?” At the time this was written, it was socially inapprpriate for a woman to stay with her boyfriend. Now no one would care. And the girl clearly wants to leave but the guy keeps trying to convince her to stay. A bit creepy by today’s standards.
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Post by Uncle Bob on Nov 28, 2017 13:09:11 GMT
I’m talking more about the lyrics. I mean most people have criticized the lyrics for sounding date-rapey, like “What’s in this drink?” At the time this was written, it was socially inapprpriate for a woman to stay with her boyfriend. Now no one would care. And the girl clearly wants to leave but the guy keeps trying to convince her to stay. A bit creepy by today’s standards. OK That makes sense to me.
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Post by In Wonderland on Nov 28, 2017 13:29:58 GMT
Really? How many songs from 70 years ago are still being recorded these days? It maybe too soon to call it a timeless classic. But, it is an American standard. When Skater Boi is 70 years old, do you think anyone will still be covering it? By then, I'll be long long gone. But, you have a good chance of surviving that long. I hope you do. I wish you a long and happy life. And if you do, and you hear this song, I hope you'll remember me... kindly. Did anyone else actually watch the movie? I recorded and watched it just to see where the song would come in. It was at the beginning and Avril got her credit early. But, then I watched the whole thing. It wasn't wonderful. It was good. It was nice. Good enough for me. I’m talking more about the lyrics. I mean most people have criticized the lyrics for sounding date-rapey, like “What’s in this drink?” At the time this was written, it was socially inapprpriate for a woman to stay with her boyfriend. Now no one would care. And the girl clearly wants to leave but the guy keeps trying to convince her to stay. A bit creepy by today’s standards. Although I agree with you, even Avril has a song with the same line, "Last night I blacked out I think What did you, what did you put in my drink I remember making out and then (oh, oh)" And the intentions for the song was for a movie. Idnk what the storyline is, but yea, i hope it isn't about being forced to stay at a christmas party by a man
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Post by Sarah93 on Nov 28, 2017 13:58:08 GMT
I’m talking more about the lyrics. I mean most people have criticized the lyrics for sounding date-rapey, like “What’s in this drink?” At the time this was written, it was socially inapprpriate for a woman to stay with her boyfriend. Now no one would care. And the girl clearly wants to leave but the guy keeps trying to convince her to stay. A bit creepy by today’s standards. Now it makes more sense, thank you for clarifying
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Post by katy on Nov 28, 2017 14:05:14 GMT
The appropriateness of the lyrics all depends on how out of their way people want to go to be offended. Unfortunately in today's world people like making anything and everything an issue lol. If the lines were sung the other way round (male voice on Avrils parts, female on the other) nobody would bat an eyelid.
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Post by fcpunk on Nov 28, 2017 18:21:43 GMT
Finally it’s on spotify ! My streams have been ready
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 20:06:40 GMT
I’m talking more about the lyrics. I mean most people have criticized the lyrics for sounding date-rapey, like “What’s in this drink?” At the time this was written, it was socially inapprpriate for a woman to stay with her boyfriend. Now no one would care. And the girl clearly wants to leave but the guy keeps trying to convince her to stay. A bit creepy by today’s standards. Are you sure she really does? The appropriateness of the lyrics all depends on how out of their way people want to go to be offended. Unfortunately in today's world people like making anything and everything an issue lol. If the lines were sung the other way round (male voice on Avrils parts, female on the other) nobody would bat an eyelid. I liked your post, based only on my selfish desire, without asking permission from your side, Katy, but trust me, I didn't mean it to be sexist, harassing, homophobic, racist or any other kind of inappropriate behavior.
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Post by pllforlife on Nov 28, 2017 21:14:30 GMT
I'm just glad we're all at an age in this fan base where we aren't part of the "I'm offended by everything" generation. We can actually have a discussion about this.
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Post by tbwilliams00 on Nov 29, 2017 0:57:45 GMT
I'm just glad we're all at an age in this fan base where we aren't part of the "I'm offended by everything" generation. We can actually have a discussion about this. I. AM. SO. OFFENDED. BY. THIS. COMMENT. you can't say there is an age at which everything offends someone. That's so stereotypical........nah just kidding...I'm 17 and I literally hate almost everyone my age hope y'all can take a joke...
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Post by katy on Nov 29, 2017 7:43:28 GMT
I’m talking more about the lyrics. I mean most people have criticized the lyrics for sounding date-hrapey, like “What’s in this drink?” At the time this was written, it was socially inapprpriate for a woman to stay with her boyfriend. Now no one would care. And the girl clearly wants to leave but the guy keeps trying to convince her to stay. A bit creepy by today’s standards. Are you sure she really does? The appropriateness of the lyrics all depends on how out of their way people want to go to be offended. Unfortunately in today's world people like making anything and everything an issue lol. If the lines were sung the other way round (male voice on Avrils parts, female on the other) nobody would bat an eyelid. I liked your post, based only on my selfish desire, without asking permission from your side, Katy, but trust me, I didn't mean it to be sexist, harassing, homophobic, racist or any other kind of inappropriate behavior. Hahahaha this is brill
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Post by thyarchery on Nov 29, 2017 18:32:54 GMT
OK, so I'm VERY late to the party (and I really can't stay ) but she sounds gorgeous!
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Post by 8boi on Dec 2, 2017 20:40:32 GMT
I'm quite busy usually and don't have much time to comment day to day, so I've gotten here a bit late too. But I think a few have stretched and twisted these meanings into something that is not there or was never intended from any time perspective, just to prove an unrelated point that the song is from a previous era. Basically the thread has gotten overly annoying and one sided. Let me analyze this my way - in depth - and present it, not for anyone's approval whatsoever, but just to get some other viewpoint out there. If no one has a valid response, I'll assume I've disproven the criticism as simple lack of social or dating experience.
First, for those who might not know the style. The song is Swing from its original era. So there's a tiny bit of 40s slang here and there which comes across as cute and playful. I believe this was the intended effect then, and it still works now. All lyrics support the same theme in my mind without exception. Just bc some people don't understand the social context of what they are listening to, does not make it "mean" what they think it does. Any kids here are excluded from these comments btw. But it does remind me of the threads about people admitting their absurd impression of Avril songs first heard as children. This Christmas tune is stylish, retro, and timeless imo.
First complaint is about her being "trapped" unwillingly in a situation. No. Completely wrong. I see it as a metaphor of relationships between male and female. There is no power situation going on. For some reason we don't see in the story she went to him when she needed safety, and he is telling her she should not put herself in danger rushing home. He cares. Bc this backstory was not spelled out like a grade school textbook, BA missed the entire setup. No one has bolted the door or tied anyone up. This is neither 50 Shades or Bates Motel. They are most likely sitting by a fireplace (after she has chosen the music from his record collection and put it on the turntable). He has suggested this to her as a way for her to get to know what he is about as a person. Not one critic here bothered to mention that. We also see numerous references by both people to the warmth and contrasting it with the cold of being alone. Has no one here been in this situation? (Again, any kids excluded from this question). She is warming up to him and the situation in general. But my impression is that she is far more concerned with what others will think of her spending time with a guy than any worry about him or the situation of them being alone together. This in no way sounds to me like a woman worried about her safety. She seems more "trapped" by people who aren't there. Also in very cold climates people drink alcohol to stay warm. So this is part of the same symbolism. But in a larger sense everything becomes a metaphor for love vs no love.
Another very important point missed in these comments is how the lyrics are actually a mix of spoken conversation and inner thoughts of both people. To my knowledge, there is still no law against freedom of thought. My point is that some lyrics are inner feelings which are not totally realistic bc they are subjective and not meant as direct communication. Now I'm starting to wonder if Avril isn't wasting her efforts on creating meaningful lyrics. From the lyric debates which I took part in here months ago, I'm not sure it would be worth the extra work. Too many are either taking things as literal as children, or can only see negative meanings in everything, or take one tiny detail completely out of context as if it's the entire song, meanwhile missing the larger point.
The other complaint is the phrase about her asking (casually) what's in her drink? The other night I was in a Mexican restaurant and ordered a new drink I'd never heard of. It wasn't even alcoholic but it turned out to have an amazing flavor. So I asked the waitress the exact same question (no one was thinking about this song btw or staring at each other in paranoia over my question). I think the very best thing about the real world is how much of a total vacation it is from social media. But ask any bartender and I'll bet they've also heard this same question several times a night. In the song, this question is definately not a reference to drugs bc it could go directly against the mood, theme and lyrics of the song. The guy was trying to impress her with his drink selection, so bring on the squad cars according to BA. And the following comment is not directed at the kids here, but there are a whole bunch of other people on BA who need to get out a lot more imo. But in a larger sense, this is a fantasy and must be interpreted as such. It is not a real world situation, therefore all the lyrical elements must blend together seamlessly. But I've heard that same kind of sentiment expressed about me during a date and there was not a drink in sight. I've said the same thing about women I'm with. Frank Sinatra, also from the Swing era, sang "Witchcraft" which expressed the same sentiment about being under the spell of attraction to someone. He was no more talking about being held hostage by a coven after being fed a poisoned apple, than Avril was singing about being drugged against her will from a capsule. Carlos Santana sang about a "Black Magic Woman". No shrunken heads were found in his drink either. Kesha sang "Love Is a Drug". You can do better. Or maybe you can't. Or won't. Do whatever you do with the next few weeks. And let Avril enjoy the time just a little, whether it's your lifestyle or not? This record was a dream project for her. She got to try out doing a holiday song, and sing a favorite genre she enjoys in her personal life. But once again on BA, no good deed goes unpunished.
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