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Post by ame · 雨 on Apr 7, 2020 12:59:45 GMT
I remember she reacted to haw live and was like "is this playback?" and "there is a pianist in the background but i don't hear any piano" and stuff like that. It's not that i don't like her as a person, she seems nice, but it also feels like she fell into the "vocal coach reacts to" trend. And she hardly ever mentions actual vocal technique issues. There was a lot to say about Avril in that video and she said nothing, that's why i believe she has little idea of voice technique, but oh well, doesn't really matter. xD
At least there're still people who care about Avril and that's always good. xD
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 7, 2020 18:46:28 GMT
I've seen other reaction videos from this vocal coach, she did one video comparing Avril and Taylor's vocal techniques which was interesting. I think this woman is an actual vocal coach, but this video doesn't really teach anything fans haven't already known about her vocals for years. The only thing I was glad to hear her say was that it's basically because of Lyme that Avril's voice is so much more nasal now than it was before. I think it was driving us all a bit crazy wondering if it was just allergies, Lyme, or something else since Avril herself said she felt her voice had not changed at all, but it sounds like it clearly has to everyone else. Otherwise, I have seen better vocal coach reaction videos that discuss more technique than just obvious observations.
I took vocal lessons for about 2 years and have watched a lot of vocal technique videos online. By no means am I qualified to critique vocals, but if I were to make a reaction video like this I probably would have pointed out comments more like this, regarding actual technique:
In the Let Go era videos, Avril basically had no real technique back then. Her voice was often flat and dull sounding, as though she were trying to sing lower than her natural voice. If you watch videos from before she was famous or even early LG era, you can hear her voice sounded a bit higher and lighter in tone. She may have been forcing her larynx down to achieve that darker, lower tone, which is not a healthy technique. Her voice could have eventually just become very fatigued after all the traveling and touring, since it sounded better early on in the era. I don't think she had particularly good breath control then either and she was not consistent. You'll hear in those clips how her voice goes flat here and there on the lower notes. To this day, she still can't hit the low notes on "are," "car," etc. They're too low for her range.
UMS era onwards her voice got a lot better, I know that she definitely started working with a coach around TBDT era. Everyone knows her voice got higher at this time, probably due to both training as well as just getting older I guess. I would say TBDT and GL were her best eras vocally, until she started doing that weird accent on the BST. She had a combination of good range, strong vibrato, and endurance to hold long notes. She was able to hit high notes with relative ease and they sounded clean and on pitch. The 2012 performance where the coach mentioned she sounded raspy - I'm pretty sure Avril was just sick there. I remember when she was performing in China for the New Year's Eve celebration thing, she mentioned that she was coming down with a cold at that time. I'm kind of surprised the coach did not realize that she could have been ill, since she didn't sound raspy like that in the other performances.
The AL era was weird, even before she got sick. Her promo performances started out ok, but that performance at the Highline Ballroom that was livestreamed was easily one of the worst performances of her whole career. I don't know if she was ill or what, but she was doing all sorts of weird pronunciations and her voice was going hoarse or flat all over the place. I seem to remember in a lot of her performances she would also frequently sound like she was out of breath. I think she was just really out of physical shape in that era, she was more focused on drinking at home with Chad than practicing her vocals or working out. Then once she got sick, of course everything went downhill from there.
Post-Lyme, I think the coach's larynx theory makes sense. Despite what Avril thinks, her voice has changed since being sick. She sounds noticeably more nasal all the time. It's probably not something she can really do anything about. I think other than that though she can still hit high notes without much issue, though that Devil performance isn't quite the best showcase of that. On the bridge, when she says "His SPeEeEeLLLLLL" she cannot do the whole run and hit the high note without taking a short pause/breath in between. I'm surprised the coach said nothing about that.
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Post by ame · 雨 on Apr 7, 2020 21:27:30 GMT
yeah i've seen some of her videos, all the one's avril is in, that's for sure. not claiming she isn't, but still, she doesn't usually say too complicated stuff, i mean, as you said, she could've easily learned everything from videos. I watched a lot of them too, and some great ones, and others...let's say just mediocre, or "fake". there are A LOT of vocal couches...like out of nowhere but anyways. it's just a general thing. She definitely knows something (tho that demonstration where she tried to sing...oh well, i still think you need to know how to do something to teach others how to do it, BUT).
And your analysis is SO accurate tbh. What's sure is that Avril is capable of more than she showed us, i mean it seems she didn't take voice lessons since tbdt. With such little training she could compete with great vocalists. She could have the range, she has de support already (maybe not now after lyme xD)
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Post by Duwod on Apr 7, 2020 21:37:31 GMT
^ I actually appreciate that you explained your points so I could understand what you mean. I watch some of her songs when I find them interesting and sometimes I get the feeling that she‘s just trying to look for the good points instead of the bad ones. Only times I saw her really criticize is when she does the vocal battles videos or the „What went wrong“ videos like the one where Selena Gomez performed Lose You To Love Me ( )
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Post by Duwod on Apr 7, 2020 21:45:31 GMT
Going slightly off-topic but.. I do not agree though that you have to be able to do it to teach it but I absolutely respect that opinion! Besides that.. I think she wasn’t that bad trying the high not on Devil.. but I am not really someone who knows much about vocal techniques.
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Post by Jinkxx on Apr 8, 2020 10:49:28 GMT
I've seen other reaction videos from this vocal coach, she did one video comparing Avril and Taylor's vocal techniques which was interesting. I think this woman is an actual vocal coach, but this video doesn't really teach anything fans haven't already known about her vocals for years. The only thing I was glad to hear her say was that it's basically because of Lyme that Avril's voice is so much more nasal now than it was before. I think it was driving us all a bit crazy wondering if it was just allergies, Lyme, or something else since Avril herself said she felt her voice had not changed at all, but it sounds like it clearly has to everyone else. Otherwise, I have seen better vocal coach reaction videos that discuss more technique than just obvious observations. I took vocal lessons for about 2 years and have watched a lot of vocal technique videos online. By no means am I qualified to critique vocals, but if I were to make a reaction video like this I probably would have pointed out comments more like this, regarding actual technique: In the Let Go era videos, Avril basically had no real technique back then. Her voice was often flat and dull sounding, as though she were trying to sing lower than her natural voice. If you watch videos from before she was famous or even early LG era, you can hear her voice sounded a bit higher and lighter in tone. She may have been forcing her larynx down to achieve that darker, lower tone, which is not a healthy technique. Her voice could have eventually just become very fatigued after all the traveling and touring, since it sounded better early on in the era. I don't think she had particularly good breath control then either and she was not consistent. You'll hear in those clips how her voice goes flat here and there on the lower notes. To this day, she still can't hit the low notes on "are," "car," etc. They're too low for her range. UMS era onwards her voice got a lot better, I know that she definitely started working with a coach around TBDT era. Everyone knows her voice got higher at this time, probably due to both training as well as just getting older I guess. I would say TBDT and GL were her best eras vocally, until she started doing that weird accent on the BST. She had a combination of good range, strong vibrato, and endurance to hold long notes. She was able to hit high notes with relative ease and they sounded clean and on pitch. The 2012 performance where the coach mentioned she sounded raspy - I'm pretty sure Avril was just sick there. I remember when she was performing in China for the New Year's Eve celebration thing, she mentioned that she was coming down with a cold at that time. I'm kind of surprised the coach did not realize that she could have been ill, since she didn't sound raspy like that in the other performances. The AL era was weird, even before she got sick. Her promo performances started out ok, but that performance at the Highline Ballroom that was livestreamed was easily one of the worst performances of her whole career. I don't know if she was ill or what, but she was doing all sorts of weird pronunciations and her voice was going hoarse or flat all over the place. I seem to remember in a lot of her performances she would also frequently sound like she was out of breath. I think she was just really out of physical shape in that era, she was more focused on drinking at home with Chad than practicing her vocals or working out. Then once she got sick, of course everything went downhill from there. Post-Lyme, I think the coach's larynx theory makes sense. Despite what Avril thinks, her voice has changed since being sick. She sounds noticeably more nasal all the time. It's probably not something she can really do anything about. I think other than that though she can still hit high notes without much issue, though that Devil performance isn't quite the best showcase of that. On the bridge, when she says "His SPeEeEeLLLLLL" she cannot do the whole run and hit the high note without taking a short pause/breath in between. I'm surprised the coach said nothing about that.Yes that I'm With You version they showed in the video wasn't good at all... so weird how she pronounced everything! The coach didn't say anything about that either! Really a bad performance of a beautiful song. And it was a bit a pity she couldn't do the whole run in Devil indeed. Expected the coach to mention that too..
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 8, 2020 13:00:35 GMT
I got nostalgic for some Avril music yesterday so I watched a fan made DVD of the BST. Might put her music on today and listen to some songs too. I go through phases where I’m sick of her music because I’ve heard it so much, but after a while I miss it and want to hear it again. Right now I’m feeling in the mood for GL and HAW.
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Post by Duwod on Apr 8, 2020 13:29:57 GMT
That happens to me too. Right now I‘m in a phase where I barely listen her songs because I just had enough. I still love them but right now I prefer other stuff, other genres.
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Post by NowISee on Apr 8, 2020 14:04:34 GMT
I'm listening Jessica Simpson's audiobook "Open book" and immediately when she was signed to her label they made her to loose weight. Then came the songwriters who gave her songs, and she just took all of them, because the only thing she wanted was to sing. Then the short shirts to show off her belly.
Listening this I feel so much respect for Avril who was able to say no. No to the already made songs, no to the outfit choices. Eventhough she is strong it must have been hard to start standing up for yourself. Because in the end, as it is portrayed in this book, the label could have easily said goodbye, if Jessica wouldn't agree to loose the weight etc.
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Post by biggerwow on Apr 8, 2020 20:38:31 GMT
I often wonder how Avril got away with so much. Just saying "no" does not always get you the results that it got Avril. But I assume it has to do with her parents not being leaches like Jessica Simpson's or Britney Spears' parents.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Apr 8, 2020 21:47:19 GMT
Some of it may have to do with her manager at the time. I think he was responsible for negotiating a lot of the deals that she had, like being able to write her own songs. It could have also just been her being simply lucky enough to have a label that understood her vision and let her do her thing.
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Post by ame · 雨 on Apr 8, 2020 22:09:56 GMT
i think she was lucky too. i mean she was like 16, and if someone just came to you and offer you to be a superstar you would do anything for that. it's hard to have such strong ethic values when you're so young. not saying she would have made it.
I know they tried to make her country if i'm not wrong, but pop-rock/pop-punk was already popular, mostly by bands, and maybe someone in her team thought "let's make a girl version of "X" band".
I think it was most likely a combination of being lucky and being strong. I mean, if she just casually sang something more pop-rock-ish in front of a big fish, i guess that person could easily see if she had talent for that specific area, right?
Anyways, another topic she could've adressed and didn't(maybe she did and i'm just talking trash again xD)
I would love to hear random stories from her, even if it's not something really important but idk, details, things that i can relate to it. I don't know if she did it in the past ('cause i didn't understand english back then xD) but she definitely didn't talk too much in haw era. yeah, a little about devil and haw. BUT still. i guess we'll have to live with the fact she's never gonna be as connected with her fans as we want.
AL7...waiting for you already ÚnÙ
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 1:14:17 GMT
You can get some back story info about her if you read the book by the guy who signed her: LA Reid.
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Post by MyHappySk8er on Apr 9, 2020 5:55:42 GMT
Now that we're all stuck in our homes, I think it would be great for Avril to start texting her fans again. Has anyone gotten a text from her in the past 4 months? She responded to me once in October of 2019 and that's it LOL.
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Post by Presto569 on Apr 9, 2020 9:39:38 GMT
I sent a text telling her good luck on the European and Asian haw tour literally days before it got canceled... I wonder if she will ever text me back I’m always waiting. Also do any of y’all think avril has an account on here, but is secret...
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