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Post by killefrost13 on Nov 1, 2018 12:46:35 GMT
I heard much about Bandaids, i read you a lot and still do sometimes. And i was a little reluctant to make this account, but i've got this thing in my mind that i want to know. I just want to know the reason why you are still her fans despite all the bad things that happened since Goodbye Lullaby era. How can you be still fans and justifying her? Don't you feel betrayed? Don't you feel fooled by her? Don't you think you deserve something better than this?
Ever since Goodbye Lullaby era Avril has never been the same, and i don't talk about the Melissa thing, i talk about the real effective change after the divorce from Deryck. She never never found herself again after that, neither when she married Chad. Neither when she found a new love, she came back to be the Avril Lavigne we used to know..and then Lyme deases killed everything.
Let's proceed through steps:
Goodbye Lullaby era: - how could she say that she couldn't sing songs like Goodbye, Remember When, the songs she fought for because they were too personal?? Excuse me, are you not supposed to be an ARTIST?? And an artist sings ALL THE SONGS, even the most vulnerubal ones..ESPECCIALLY THIS ONES, otherewise you are just a singer. I remember the justifies: she is happy now, she is with Brody, she doesn't feel them anymore... Again, an artist sings every song she wrote. STOP.
Avril Lavigne era: Oh well, let alone all the stupid delays..let's talk about the album. An album that she didn'ìt even know how to make it.. she said she was just writing songs.. Can we just think how this is ridicolous and shameful? She was sad, she found love again..and this could have been a perfect them for the album and maybe we could have had her best album if she had made into a concept, into a jounrey to be sad to be happy again.. But she ended it with Hush Hush a song for Deryck? Or Brody? Why not ending it with Falling Fast? Why not starting with Hush Hush and sad songs like this and as the album goes on the feeling changes? And don't even get started with all the justifies : the label and blah blah.. This is even for GL, THE LABEL DIDN'T SAY TO AVRIL TO WRITE HELLO KITTY, ROCK AND ROLL, HERE'S TO NEVER GROWING UP,the label said to wrtie RADIO FRIENDLY SONGS that could be or ballads, or mid-tempos or uptempo with great lyrics. But Avril thinks that ballad requires great lyrics and upbeat stupid lyrics. And this will never change, in fact Dumb Blonde is coming.
The tour.. The tour was shameful at best.
The new era: Delays, delays, delays.
Aren't you tired?? Are you happy about this? Things are bad since 2011, 4 years before she got the Lyme thing.. Ever since then she was empty, she were just standing there singing with no soul, no fire, just sings notes and nothing else. I watched the 2 new performances and i was so bored, like i was years ago with GL era and AL era. No expressions, nothing.. The video was boring and she was so bored and plastique.. 2 years from planning what?? Her walking in a fake Iceland ground?? 2 YEARS FROM PLANNING THIS??? LIKE REALLY???
She doesn't deserve you.. so tell me why are you still here for her? Nostalgia from old good days? Because i can't believe that there fans who still love her despite all the S** of this 8 years. And if i was wrong, i'd applaud you for this..because you are great, really. I ran away LITERALLY. She didnd't deserve my time, my devotion.
Sorry if this will offend anyone, but i just can't resist anymore..i just wanted to express my feeling, my doubts and questions.
Thank you.
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Post by Erik on Nov 1, 2018 13:07:53 GMT
believe me, im totally agree with you, i really feel this new era is her messiest era so far, and it hasnt even started yet that much. im also tired of the fucking delays, and im also tired of her and her team lies. some fans will explain this delay and lie situation like "its not her fault and its basically not a lie..." YES IT IS. first her team lied that we get music at 2017. then avril said she THINKS she will be ready with 2018 Q2.... thenshe said she will put out the record in 2018, even the president of BMG (or somebody) stated in an article that the new album is schedule for Q4 this year, and then we got these 2 boring interview when she states she THINK we get the album in february.... so its basically a DELAY LIE DELAY LIE pattern for us, and i honestly think we wont get the album in 2019 february. their promo or strategy is also like zero, some fans says oh she will receive promo when the album comes, but i dont believe this anymore, especially when they DONT EVEN KNOW WHEN they will release this cursed album.....
im a fan of her because i can totally relate her music genre and lyric. thats all.
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Post by In Wonderland on Nov 1, 2018 14:17:05 GMT
For me it is part the music, part the community. Avril is the common interest. But for me BA goes beyond 'just' Avril. Though it is also the only place where I can share my thoughts and share my love for her music and other things revolving anything of interst she does.
Avril isnt obligated to publish music. We arent her employees. So if it comes each 2 years, or 10 years its really up to her and her employer.
Yes it sucks being left in the dark. The he said, she said thing around what's causing the delays etc. Is annoying. I admit. I can participate in threads, reply with stupid arguments and personal opinions. But it's not like it occupies my mind enough to ruin and take over my day.
And who she dates or marries or divorce, is really not interesting to me. Yes, it may or do effect her persona. Her job. Her energy.
No artist career is flawless, Avril might have drawn the wrong ticket in the lottery and gotten quite the messy payout. Sometimes you question her, the management, the lable and anyone involved. So no i dont justify everything that has happend or how it has happend through the years. It's just that i like to focus on the good stuff.
And the good thing about being a fan of anyone, is that it is completely up to you if you want to be a fan. No one is forcing you to like this artis, that writer or the next iphone.
Everyone can like/love/be fascinated enough to let the bad things roll off. May not be healthy, but no one gets hurt.
I dont know how to sum this up.. but she's still here to share her story, through the lyrics. And that is my main reason to still be a fan of hers, along side my friends on here.
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Post by paperbackwriter on Nov 1, 2018 15:37:00 GMT
Well if I'm honest I'm an adult. I don't live my life worrying about Avril Lavinge's release schedule. Yeah it's a little annoying that I can't listen to new music right now but I follow other bands who also have delays and say nothing. I don't consider her saying the album will be out in 2018 and then it coming out in 2019 a lie. Shit happens and releases get pushed back all the time. She could communicate more, but I'm not bothered if she doesn't want to. It's her life, she doesn't owe me anything. I like her because I like her music. As for her performances, she has always performed lifeless. There are plenty of videos from 2003-2005 of her standing around singing.
If you no longer like her, then that's fine, move on to someone else that catches your fancy. That's the beauty of music. You can choose whatever you like. Saying she doesn't deserve fans is a bit melodramatic. I don't think she realises the damage she does by not communicating with fans more. I've never felt it was purposefully done to annoy us because that's bad business strategy if nothing else. At this point, after feeling like she almost died I would guess Avril is just living her life and not thinking about being famous and needing to be on twitter all the time. I could be wrong but whatever I still like her music and I decide what I want to spend my money on.
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Post by biggerwow on Nov 1, 2018 17:25:16 GMT
I am incredibly frustrated with Avril for years however I love her. She is my idol. I happened to become a huge fan at the height of the best damn era. So I've spent 10 years of watching her fall off the map. It is frustrating knowing that she could do much better but life gets in the way. Not just her personal life but mine. I spent some time away from bandaids and was quite happy. But once I saw her getting closer to completing this album, I came back. I like this place because I literally have no one who shares my passion for Avrils music past, present, future.
GL: An artist does not need to perform all their songs. Especially if it's their 4th album.
AL: unlike the majority of pop artists Avril writes her own music. It's awesome that she was just writing songs and it made an album. It's okay if she didn't have a direction, SHE WRITES HER OWN SONGS. You know how many pop artists get a song sent to them, genre already decided, theme already decided. I get that it ended up being a MESS and some songs shouldn't have been in the album but she finally sounded like a modern artist (which I really care about because to me she hasn't evolved much since TBDT). It doesn't matter who she dates, I don't think that affects her music. I'm glad it didn't focus on her romances either because they are an entire different MESS that I don't wanna know about.
AL6: I hate this shit. And I do feel underappreciated. Many on here say she doesn't owe us anything. And to an extent I understand that but we do make money for her and we do what we can to make her relevant when she releases music. Really, we may be the only people who care about her music/career. I am not asking for praise or anything like that but I do ask to be considered when releasing information about her music.
When she announced this album, I loved that she made a video about starting this era. I was willing to wait until she finished the album. I made my new bandaids account (I had been out since the old one was deactivated) and waited patiently. Then I saw she was completing the album and I came back to talk about my excitement. Now she has completed the album, released the first single, and that's it. It annoys me that we know more about the album from rumors/outsiders and teasing from her team than from Avril. And that when we do get news from her it's often not concrete or absolute truth.
It seemed to be a good & different era but she has continued the trend of her last 2 albums delays, delays, delays. I blame her team. Again people will defend them but I find them to be useless (Billboard article).
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 1, 2018 17:30:32 GMT
The things that have happened concerning delays with the last few albums and being kept in the dark about it is surely annoying and sometimes no matter who is at fault there is really no excuse for it. But like paperbackwriter said, at the end of the day these things are pretty inconsequential on most of our lives.
I have always liked Avril, she was my childhood idol, so chances are I will always follow her and her music. Also, the woman went through a horrible illness. Sure, shit happens and all, but she’s a human being like any of us. Those complaining that she “lied” and really get bent out of shape about an album delay like it’s some kind of major inconvenience or tragedy for them really just need to get a life. As others said, it is everyone’s own choice if they want to continue being her fan or not. For me the positives outweigh the negatives with her. I’ve always loved her, even if her glory days are behind her and she’s not what she once was, she’ll always have the early music that was great and is what made most of us fans. She’s always inspired me to stand up for myself and take pride in who I am and not to change for anyone. You don’t just simply move on from someone who had that kind of impact on you.
There’s things I wish she would change or improve on but she likely won’t and we can all either just accept it or stop being her fan. If she no longer brings you joy, it’s time to let go, no pun intended. Again, what she does or doesn’t do has little to no effect on my life. I’ve got too many other real life issues to worry about than being angry over something she does or doesn’t do. Sorry but that’s just stupid and frankly, immature.
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Post by killefrost13 on Nov 1, 2018 19:06:14 GMT
Well, i didn't say that an artist must sing all their songs, but saying that she couldn't do it because they were too personal, sorry but this is shameful. So why did you record them first if you didn't want to sing them??? Do you feel happy about this? Ok. As for AL, i don't care about pop artists, again you are justifying her. Just because she writes her own songs, it doesn't mean that they must be stupid and meaningless, it doesn't mean that she can't do a concept album. An over 30 writing about ending school? Come on.. She missed a great opportunity to make her best album if she had thought it better.. but maybe she couldn't? She can't? She collaborated with one of the best writer who helped great artists such as Christina Perri and Kelly Clarkson and the best thing she came up with him was ' goodbye my friend, hello ehartache, it's not the end it'ìs not the same'' *roll eyes* Yeah, maybe it's me. I never connected to her songs even when i was 13, i just liked them..but she never spoke to me. When i found other singer-songwriter who are capable of doing so, my world changed completly. I realised that Avril never had such impact in me like them. i was never a rebel girl, i grew out her even when i was just 17 and she was 24. And then when she made the Avril Lavigne album i was like : '' i ended the school 4 years ago, i don't need those songs''. So yeah, you can move on if you change And why accept it? Why do you want to accept to have a little when you can have everything? It's this thing that i don't understand, it's the reason why i made this thread, to understand, to get why you accept all this. And please, stop saying i'm an adult, i've got big issues and blah blah.. we are just talking about this passion, and a passion should make you happy and as i read in these topics, none of you are happy so... Then call me a immature, stupid.. but i think that we can go over these things and talk about quietly. It's just an ex fan who asks how you can handle this, but this makes me an immature..oh well, you deserve someone like Avril Ramona Lavigne, i guess.
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Post by NowISee on Nov 1, 2018 19:20:01 GMT
It doesn't really bother me how much time there is between records. She always delivers to me with her honest and sincere songs and with her voice. I'm not fanatic over her anymore like I once was. There's so much going in my life that I can't dwell on the things she does regarding her recordmaking process.
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Post by Meteora on Nov 1, 2018 19:44:56 GMT
In my case, she doesn't owe me a thing, neither do I. I love her music, what she does and I'm in love with her work. She is not flawless. Regardin the Goodbye Lullaby era, despite being an artist she is a human being, and as far as I'm concerned, I believe she is a person who has feelings. Creating or choosing the songs for a set list is not a simple thing and it all depends on the country/city you are playing for. When her grandad passed away, she did not perform Tomorrow being an artists, it ended up being bad for her, she was broken and to me it was awful seeing her like that. I dont even want to see her another song so personal to her and doing it poorly, full of tears. That's not human IMHO. Maybe some of us did want Goodbye to be meaningful and it was to her so she decided to shoot a little video for it and to thank us for being supportive through her decisions. I haven't found it bad and personally I don't think it was a bad era. I totally enjoyed it. Now talking about the AL era, it clearly was a mess and it was obvious that she had songs that her label didn't want to include in the final cut, we had a bunch of them and she was sent back to write more songs. Some of them ended it there and of course as they were forced in some way, they didn't fit well among the other songs. IMO the only way to "justify" it was saying that it was an album all over the place and well, she didn't feel most of the songs, it ended up with a tour full of her old singles (90% of them). and again I see her as an artists but as a human being too, and if she didn't feel the songs, why would I feel them live? It would have been something forcely done, it could have been worse maybe.
The new era started a month ago and AGAIN, she is a human being and is totally undestandable that she's taking her time to do things, promo, tour, shoots, interviews. I'm not in her skin but everything she said reflects how difficult is to be fighting Lyme. I don't blame her at all and part of supporting her work is being supportive, being patient. She is not the only artist I listen to or that I admire. there are millions of them.
I'm sorry but saying that she doesn't deserve us/me is bullsh*t. who am I to say if she deserves me or the other way around? Coming to BA became kind of a distraction to me and I feel like I belong to a family that shares what I like, her music. There's nothing I can do to do things go faster or better for everyone, is not her full responsability either. It's just the way I see it and as I said before, I don't owe her a thing, and she doesn't owe me anything.
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Post by Sarah93 on Nov 1, 2018 20:29:37 GMT
I've been a fan of Avril since 2002, she's my biggest idol and I don't think I'll ever stop being a fan.
I've only joined this community recently, just after she announced her new album as Christmas gift. I really like this community because it's the one and only place where there are other people who are as passionate as me about Avril, beside I've met new people and become friends with some of them as well. We talk about Avril a lot, but we also talk about other things.
I respect your opinion, but "I'm an adult, her life choices or whatever she does doesn't affect me" is not an excuse, it's reality, if a celebrity's life choices or whatever she does or says affect your life then I'm really sorry mate, but get a life. Not everyone has to like Avril Lavigne, if everyone did, that'd be strange. But I don't find it cool to come here and say things like "she doesn't deserve fans". Yes, it is a passion, but that doesn't mean we agree with everything she does or say or that we should be pleased or happy with whatever she gives us, we have our own minds and we're not worshipping her, just because we dislike or disagree with certain things of her career or are unhappy with how things are lately, it doesn't mean we're less fans or that we don't deserve or that she doesn't deserve us, it's not how it works.
Again, if you don't like her, it's completely fine, I respect that, in return, I ask the same for you toward us thank you.
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Post by Sara on Nov 1, 2018 21:09:51 GMT
I've been a fan of Avril since 2002 too, her music basically been the soundtrack of my life so far. Don't forget that Avril is a human being, and how everyone can make mistakes, but frankly I don't think she enjoys making fun of her fans around the world by telling lies about the release of her albums. What's the point?
I don't want judging her badly for this, we don't know how the discography really works, and everything is hidden behind it. I will always be a Avril fan, I will always support her even with her flaws... who didn't have any? I joined this community last year, and I enjoy reading and commenting on Avril's world with other fans.
I'd like to have new music right away, but we'll still have to wait. I'm ok with it, as long there will be new songs by her, I'm happy. I can't take it too seriously.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 1, 2018 21:35:19 GMT
Regarding why she didn't perform the personal songs on GL, I agree she should have. However, the original plan for the tour was a stripped down theater tour but that changed and it ended up being an arena tour with a full band. Whether that was her management's idea or her own, we'll never know. But those kind of songs would not have worked in that setting. She always said she never performed How Does It Feel live because she thought it would slow down the show. When I went to see her in concert on the AL Tour, the ballads sounded great but they definitely brought the energy down. Lots of ballads and acoustic songs work best in an intimate setting with a small audience, not arenas. And the point of a concert is to make people happy and get everyone dancing. Ballad after ballad about her divorce would have just brought the whole mood down. They're not the right songs for that type of setting. An acoustic session like the Roxy Theater concert would have been more appropriate for something like that. As for the AL album, she had a concept with songs only done by her and Chad/David Hodges. The label clearly scrapped many of them, as she explained HTNGU was one of the last songs she wrote and the album was delayed several times. As much as she does and has always made it seem like she is in control of her music, she has a label to answer to like every other pop singer. At the end of the day, the label decides what goes on the album. They did not like her concept of dark indie pop songs and thus forced her to write radio friendly bubblegum pop songs. True, she didn't have to write them the way that she did, but again, we don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes. The label may have specified exactly what they wanted, or only approved the songs that had a bubblegum sound. We don't know, that's why people "justify" her because we don't know what goes on behind the scenes and not everything is up to her. I'm saying we can "accept" these things about her/her career, or we can stop being her fan. Meaning that you can live with the fact things don't always go the way you want them to and quit bitching, or if it bothers you so much, you can move on and find another artist who doesn't piss you off so much. Clear enough? You sound like an ex-fan who is disgruntled with her. Why do you care so much about why the rest of us still like her and choose to stick with her? If you don't like her anymore, that's fine. But why be on her fansite and harass her fans asking why we still like her when you can just, you know, mind your own business? That is precisely why I'm saying that's immature. Everyone is free to like and listen to who they want to. We all grow out of certain artists and music after awhile. There's no need to make a huge deal about it.
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Post by biggerwow on Nov 1, 2018 21:42:03 GMT
Well, i didn't say that an artist must sing all their songs, but saying that she couldn't do it because they were too personal, sorry but this is shameful. So why did you record them first if you didn't want to sing them??? Do you feel happy about this? Ok. As for AL, i don't care about pop artists, again you are justifying her. Just because she writes her own songs, it doesn't mean that they must be stupid and meaningless, it doesn't mean that she can't do a concept album. An over 30 writing about ending school? Come on.. She missed a great opportunity to make her best album if she had thought it better.. but maybe she couldn't? She can't? She collaborated with one of the best writer who helped great artists such as Christina Perri and Kelly Clarkson and the best thing she came up with him was ' goodbye my friend, hello ehartache, it's not the end it'ìs not the same'' *roll eyes* Well technically you did say it twice but I interpreted a different way. Anyways, it is not shameful. She recorded them because she wanted to. Not every song on an album is performed live. Do I feel happy about this? Yep! I like listening to RW on the album but wouldn't want to listen to it live much less Goodbye.
You don't care about pop artists but you bring up Kelly and Christina? I'm just giving her props for at least coming up with something on her own. It may be stupid and meaningless to you but to some it may be just fun. There's a lot of songs like that that I just love singing to. Like the Hello Kitty song is atrocious but I can't hep but sing Minasiko Arigato Ka-ka-kawaii (spelling is terrible i know sorry). Her biggest hit GF is stupid and meaningless but fuck I loved singing it. Fun fact! It was the song that started my deep dive into Avril fandom.
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Post by katy on Nov 2, 2018 6:56:51 GMT
Completely agree there was no excuse not to perform the more emotional songs from GL. They were the only good songs on GL. That tour was absolutely dire and it was her fault for refusing to perform the songs she should.
Honestly I don’t think she’s that great to her fans, there is a clear disregard for communication from her. But being her fan takes up about 5 mins of my day max so I’m not overly concerned. When she releases music I’ll listen and if I like it it’ll listen again. Like others have said, once people are past the teenage fangirl years being a fan basically just means liking their music lol.
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Post by killefrost13 on Nov 2, 2018 10:41:59 GMT
Well, i didn't say that an artist must sing all their songs, but saying that she couldn't do it because they were too personal, sorry but this is shameful. So why did you record them first if you didn't want to sing them??? Do you feel happy about this? Ok. As for AL, i don't care about pop artists, again you are justifying her. Just because she writes her own songs, it doesn't mean that they must be stupid and meaningless, it doesn't mean that she can't do a concept album. An over 30 writing about ending school? Come on.. She missed a great opportunity to make her best album if she had thought it better.. but maybe she couldn't? She can't? She collaborated with one of the best writer who helped great artists such as Christina Perri and Kelly Clarkson and the best thing she came up with him was ' goodbye my friend, hello ehartache, it's not the end it'ìs not the same'' *roll eyes* Well technically you did say it twice but I interpreted a different way. Anyways, it is not shameful. She recorded them because she wanted to. Not every song on an album is performed live. Do I feel happy about this? Yep! I like listening to RW on the album but wouldn't want to listen to it live much less Goodbye.
You don't care about pop artists but you bring up Kelly and Christina? I'm just giving her props for at least coming up with something on her own. It may be stupid and meaningless to you but to some it may be just fun. There's a lot of songs like that that I just love singing to. Like the Hello Kitty song is atrocious but I can't hep but sing Minasiko Arigato Ka-ka-kawaii (spelling is terrible i know sorry). Her biggest hit GF is stupid and meaningless but fuck I loved singing it. Fun fact! It was the song that started my deep dive into Avril fandom.
Why are you turning tables, huh? You talked about pop artists who don't write and guess what??? Christina PERRI and Kelly write, especially the first one who even writes by herself most of the time. And Avril will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER be capable of writing songs like Jar of Hearts, The Lonely, Sad Song. EVER EVER EVER. But thanks for your replies guys, i guess i understood a little bit and i got why Avril is this way.. it's only because of you! I still don't understand why you are complaining so much, but yet you come here to defend her, it's a little hypocrite ..but if you are happy this way, good for you. See you when in January 2019 she will sayd that the album will come out in summer AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
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