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Post by Anti on Jan 27, 2019 8:39:25 GMT
I’m not writing this thread to fear monger, or create a mess, just genuinely curious what the rest of the fans think:
Do you think this will be the last album? We’ve yet to see actual promo this era (3 live performances in 5 months) and I get the vibe she doesn’t prioritize her career anymore, which is fine and her personal choice.
She’s been famous for 17 years, and I think she’s genuinely moved on from caring about success/touring/the grind because she’s comfortable in her legacy. With that being said, do you think this is the last album we will be seeing for the foreseeable future? Or do you think she’ll continue to regularly distribute albums now that her Lyme disease status has seemed to improve?
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Post by heaven on Jan 27, 2019 11:42:15 GMT
I don't know, but i guess she will be likely to pull an Adele type of release thing.. every 4-5 years.
I don't know why and how she can be comfortable with her current legacy.. it would have been HUGE if things had been better done by her label, but especially by her. Reading the Guardian interview it seems like she didn't have that freedom she always claimed to have.
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Post by orangesky on Jan 27, 2019 13:00:38 GMT
I don't know, but i guess she will be likely to pull an Adele type of release thing.. every 4-5 years. I don't know why and how she can be comfortable with her current legacy.. it would have been HUGE if things had been better done by her label, but especially by her. Reading the Guardian interview it seems like she didn't have that freedom she always claimed to have. I think she had a certain amount of freedom, more than what most female solo artists got at the time (Britney Spears, for example) but she knew she had to make compromises for the label, especially on having radio friendly singles which is just sensible business practice really. It worked fine for 3 albums, her compromises still blending with what she wanted overall for the album. It was GL an AL where she couldn't keep her vision while also pleasing the label. At least now she seems to be on a label that will give her control of the overall sound again and who aren't focused on radio singles which removes one of the big issues she had.
I don't think this will be her last album. She seemed to really enjoy making it, especially the writing process. I think she'll be more focussed on making albums raher than being a celebrity though. She'll make them for herself and for fans, tour them but not heavily promote. I would hope that her feeling inspired and enjoying writing would mean she would put tuff out more often even if it's not heavily promoted but who knows
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 27, 2019 15:28:50 GMT
No... I don’t get why the hell people think this when there’s nothing that indicates this will be her last album. She’s not 90 ffs
She signed a deal with BMG, which probably means she is obligated to fulfill a certain number of albums for them. So she probably can’t quit even if she wanted to. I also agree with orange sky that she seemed to enjoy making this album so much, I think she is really happy to be back after being sick. She didn’t think she was going to be able to make music again but now that she can, I’m sure she’s excited and overflowing with enough idea to make several albums worth of material.
As orange sky said, I think we won’t exactly get a new album every 2 years or anything. Maybe a high quality record with only the best of the best every 4-5 years. Probably won’t heavily promote because that’s just not how BMG does things. Surely her health and taking care of herself is her #1 priority and I’m sure after the Lyme battle that’s how it will always be. But I think she’s get terribly bored just doing nothing all day. She’s the type who needs to be creative and write songs or design clothes. I think now she just has the freedom to take as much time as she wants with new music, so she’s not in any rush to put something out. She only has 6 albums. It’s far too early for her to stop. She said she wants another #1 again and still wants to win a Grammy. There’s still things she wants to accomplish and I think she mostly enjoys touring and performing for her fans.
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Post by heaven on Jan 27, 2019 18:25:00 GMT
I don't know, but i guess she will be likely to pull an Adele type of release thing.. every 4-5 years. I don't know why and how she can be comfortable with her current legacy.. it would have been HUGE if things had been better done by her label, but especially by her. Reading the Guardian interview it seems like she didn't have that freedom she always claimed to have. I think she had a certain amount of freedom, more than what most female solo artists got at the time (Britney Spears, for example) but she knew she had to make compromises for the label, especially on having radio friendly singles which is just sensible business practice really. It worked fine for 3 albums, her compromises still blending with what she wanted overall for the album. It was GL an AL where she couldn't keep her vision while also pleasing the label. At least now she seems to be on a label that will give her control of the overall sound again and who aren't focused on radio singles which removes one of the big issues she had.
I don't think this will be her last album. She seemed to really enjoy making it, especially the writing process. I think she'll be more focussed on making albums raher than being a celebrity though. She'll make them for herself and for fans, tour them but not heavily promote. I would hope that her feeling inspired and enjoying writing would mean she would put tuff out more often even if it's not heavily promoted but who knows
Yeah, but the difference is that we always knew that Britney didn't have any freedom, while with Avril we found out later that since the beggining she faced troubles with the label. And since it worked fine with the first albums, why couldn't have it work even with the last 2? She even admitted that the label didn't tell her what to write, so it's her fault if she didn't write radio-friendly songs a la Anything But Ordinary. |
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Post by biggerwow on Jan 27, 2019 19:07:38 GMT
Certainly won't be the last album. She enjoys the recording process and touring too much. She loves making music. It's her life. Doubt she'd give it up after thinking she wouldn't make anymore music.
Sure she may prioritize her personal life before her career but that's normal. Specially considering her first years in the industry were great.
What I do wonder is if she will continue this trend of taking long breaks between albums. Yea it wasn't her decision entirely but it's still something that worries me. Since she likes to do complete albums and doesn't seem to want to get out of the studio. But other than that I don't see this as the last album at all. It's more like whether we'll get to hear new music from her without long breaks while we see her have fun in the studio for 2 years on social media 😔
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Post by orangesky on Jan 27, 2019 19:11:07 GMT
I think she had a certain amount of freedom, more than what most female solo artists got at the time (Britney Spears, for example) but she knew she had to make compromises for the label, especially on having radio friendly singles which is just sensible business practice really. It worked fine for 3 albums, her compromises still blending with what she wanted overall for the album. It was GL an AL where she couldn't keep her vision while also pleasing the label. At least now she seems to be on a label that will give her control of the overall sound again and who aren't focused on radio singles which removes one of the big issues she had.
I don't think this will be her last album. She seemed to really enjoy making it, especially the writing process. I think she'll be more focussed on making albums raher than being a celebrity though. She'll make them for herself and for fans, tour them but not heavily promote. I would hope that her feeling inspired and enjoying writing would mean she would put tuff out more often even if it's not heavily promoted but who knows
Yeah, but the difference is that we always knew that Britney didn't have any freedom, while with Avril we found out later that since the beggining she faced troubles with the label. And since it worked fine with the first albums, why couldn't have it work even with the last 2? She even admitted that the label didn't tell her what to write, so it's her fault if she didn't write radio-friendly songs a la Anything But Ordinary. 1. Exactly, Avril knew she was getting more freedom and control than female solo pop acts had before so she probably felt like that was it, that was as much freedom as anyone could get. Compromising was just part of the business when attached to a big label who want/need to make money, and that's true. She talked about how much freedom she got because she got more than was usual and probably thought that was as free as she could be. She has since realised that it can be different.
2.Because what she wanted and what the label/radio wanted wasn't so different on her first albums. Everything on radio had a darker, rockier sound when UMS came out, for example, so finding a compromise between her vision and what would play on radio was fairly easy. By the last 2 albums popular music had changed. She said on GL they wanted more "urban" sounding songs for radio but that was so far from what she wanted from the album there was no middle ground. She wrote 'radio' songs that tried to mesh upbeat, fun stuff for the radio with her own style but the songs were just forced and people could tell. |
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Post by heaven on Jan 27, 2019 19:27:21 GMT
Yeah, but the difference is that we always knew that Britney didn't have any freedom, while with Avril we found out later that since the beggining she faced troubles with the label. And since it worked fine with the first albums, why couldn't have it work even with the last 2? She even admitted that the label didn't tell her what to write, so it's her fault if she didn't write radio-friendly songs a la Anything But Ordinary. 1. Exactly, Avril knew she was getting more freedom and control than female solo pop acts had before so she probably felt like that was it, that was as much freedom as anyone could get. Compromising was just part of the business when attached to a big label who want/need to make money, and that's true. She talked about how much freedom she got because she got more than was usual and probably thought that was as free as she could be. She has since realised that it can be different.
2.Because what she wanted and what the label/radio wanted wasn't so different on her first albums. Everything on radio had a darker, rockier sound when UMS came out, for example, so finding a compromise between her vision and what would play on radio was fairly easy. By the last 2 albums popular music had changed. She said on GL they wanted more "urban" sounding songs for radio but that was so far from what she wanted from the album there was no middle ground. She wrote 'radio' songs that tried to mesh upbeat, fun stuff for the radio with her own style but the songs were just forced and people could tell. Ok, but my point is that the label didn't tell her to write you know that i'm crazy bitch or all my life i've been good, but now i'm thiking what the hell. That was her decision to make those songs 'forced', she has this stupid thought that upbeat and fun = meaningless lyrics. |
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Post by orangesky on Jan 27, 2019 19:44:26 GMT
^ Maybe the label did give her that direction and said they wanted upbeat fun songs and that's how she interpreted it, that fun had to be about partying. or maybe she wrote other stuff but that's what the label chose. Maybe it was stuff she related to, she does like to party, but because she only did them because she felt she had to rather than felt inspired to her heart wasn't in it. There are lots of scenarios we don't know for sure. No one ever thought she didn't write on those songs or they didn't come from her in some way.
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Post by Anna on Jan 29, 2019 22:24:31 GMT
She will be back with AL7 full of happy songs. Trust me.
Knowing her the songs will sound like 2018 and 2019 pop music but released in 2022.
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Post by ShiningStar_x on Jan 30, 2019 6:17:22 GMT
It's been a 6 year gap between her last album and this one, and like a 4 year gap between a new song, whereas back in the day we would get something new once a month or ever couple of weeks if this one isn't her last it's going to be another big massive gap for her next one. She will be about 40.
Didn't she say she felt like she'd almost given up? If it weren't for her having Lyme disease we wouldn't have even got this album since Head Above Waters inspiration came from her having Lyme
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Post by Jinkxx on Jan 30, 2019 13:18:07 GMT
It's been a 6 year gap between her last album and this one, and like a 4 year gap between a new song, whereas back in the day we would get something new once a month or ever couple of weeks if this one isn't her last it's going to be another big massive gap for her next one. She will be about 40. Didn't she say she felt like she'd almost given up? If it weren't for her having Lyme disease we wouldn't have even got this album since Head Above Waters inspiration came from her having Lyme So you saying that she almost had given up making music before she knew she got Lyme? Maybe the Lyme inspired her to create something based on that but I doubt she would give up making music before she knew she had it. I only hope the gap isn't that big the next time. If that's the case again I get kinda frustrated cause it seems like Avril is the only one with huge gaps. There are other artists who also have gaps but are they as long as Avrils? She could add more songs to an album if the gaps are big because I always hear artists write tons of songs for an album and like 12 make the final cut. |
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 30, 2019 18:11:12 GMT
She thought when she had Lyme that she wouldn’t be able to continue her career. Not before.
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Post by slapstick on Jan 30, 2019 18:28:34 GMT
She thought when she had Lyme that she wouldn’t be able to continue her career. Not before. Isn't it interesting how word-of-mouth communication still exists on (and with) the internet, with the exact same flaws of distorting the original story as it did before widespread internet? I must admit, gossiping is sometimes fun, but you must not take anything in such environment to be a sure thing, otherwise you end up with an odd conclusion as this one with Avril giving up her career just for kicks  |
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Post by goodbye on Feb 4, 2019 16:20:25 GMT
No she will make more music now since this happend. I bet she would've made a new album in 2014 and released it in 2015 if Lyme didn't happend.
I bet since she nearly died she found hope and motivation to make new music. She is in her 30s and her life was going to end! Everyone will do more things after this experience.
I bet she will live her life like it's her last day and make things she really wants to make. I don't think she will quit music soon.
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