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Post by paperbackwriter on May 28, 2019 20:54:02 GMT
The only thing we can really get mad at Avril about is her lack of communication. The lack of promo is not entirely down to her. She can want to do interviews and performances till she's blue in the face but if no one wants her on their shows because she's not big any more she'll get no promo. Right now I'm betting there is a problem with the budget. They had such great ideas for the DB video according to rumours, then she got no money for it and it was awful and canned; which was a waste of more of her budget. Also she obviously made the change from DB to IFILWTD for James Cordon because the DB video did not pan out. She was promoting DB consistently until she switched. They may have had a plan for Devil to come out later in the year and DB to be the Summer single. They made no plan for what to do if the music video fell through. They made no plan to use another song promote HAW when they added Nicki at the last minute to DB and then wanted to wait for a video hoping she would do a cameo. Her team is absolutely abysmal. I honestly don't know why Avril pays them for anything because they don't do a damn thing for her other than make her look worse than she actually is.
Avril said this time around would be more slow than previous eras as she gets back into performing...well it has lived up to that, but there are plenty of things she could have been doing if she wanted to. At this point I think she enjoys making and releasing music but doesn't care for anything else. I don't think she doesn't care for her fans but I believe she is clueless about how to interact with us better. She's not a natural communicator and neither am I so I let it slide for the most part. Although I can admit this past few weeks has been extremely boring as a fan.
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Post by biggerwow on May 28, 2019 21:16:20 GMT
Here's an interesting question. How would people feel if she didn't do much promo from now on but released music more often? If she just released music for herself and her existing fans, not caring about sales or getting new fans. If she had an EP out before the end of the year or another full length by early 2020, a little tour maybe. Would people be happy with that? Not hearing much from her but getting quite regular new music. I think many of us have expressed just that. Many of us have talked about being okay with getting music in a timely manner and intimate tours, promotion be damned. However, the part about not hearing much from her I think is part of the problem. I want communication about the music and her plans with it or when can we realistically expect the music to be out. I'm always going to want that even if we get new music regularly. I think it's part of the fan experience. After all it's not things about her personal life I want to hear about but about her music and how she came up with it. It's music I will probably enjoy so I think it's natural to want to know more about the process of it.
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Post by ame · 雨 on May 28, 2019 21:16:32 GMT
I agree that maybe she shouldn't say that her agency told her. Maybe she just said to clarify that she had no clue about it, like "it's not my fault, i didn't even know" I guess...
And regarding the question orangesaky made. Yeah, I would definitely prefer her releasing music more regular and being silent. Like, music really helps, i listen to it 24/7. And tbh I never was THAT interested in an artist to watch every single interview. Avril maybe was the only one and maybe a few other artists, but now that I've grown up and kinda realize how she is...well she is not that kinda person to talk too much so if she doesn't even want to talk about her life what's the point on doing interviews (i know, promo, but for us, the fans, it's not that important anymore).
Just release new material, acoustic sets from your home, unreleased material, maybe YouTube Q&A, some kinda giveaways, like, gurl go watch whatever youtuber and learn how to do promo xD haha
She can do so many things not related to share personal information, so idk. She didn't even show us a single painting she's done. I really doubt they're good...but idk, show us something at least.
She could also do a cover contest or idk, there are so many options, agh...
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Post by adamf83 on May 28, 2019 21:46:13 GMT
I’m not defending her or the blackout we seem to be experiencing but maybe it’s the record company? The album hasn’t performed as good as expected and maybe they’re just not investing any more money in music videos or tours and that’s it it’s the end of the era. If that’s true she’s stuck in an awkward position then what’s she supposed to tell us? Maybe she’s close to getting dropped? Didn't she say in an interview lately that she was planning a tour?
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 28, 2019 21:48:06 GMT
What I meant is that I’m not blaming her for only finding out through her agency. Of course no one could expect her to know that. But she really didn’t need to add that to her post as though to imply she only brought this up because her team told her to, not because she is concerned her fans may have gotten ripped off. Of course it’s not her fault someone did this and it’s not her fault if any fans were dumb enough to buy tickets with no confirmation from Avril herself but she didn’t need to make it look like she only cares about this because someone told her to. It is irrelevant to us that her agency told her to clear it up.
Her interviews these days really don’t have much to offer so I’d be fine with getting music more often and less promo. I think she could still go on smaller TV shows to perform the singles though. It’s nice to see her do things and hear her talk once in awhile. But Avril herself hates doing promo and she’s not big anymore to get invited anywhere. So I guess I’d take more music with less promo.
I don’t think the label doesn’t want to give her funding. I think this is their idea of how to treat a “legacy artist.” If funding were an issue and Avril wanted to put out a video or something bad enough, it’s not like she couldn’t fund it herself.
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Post by Anna on May 28, 2019 21:52:49 GMT
The hype is dead for this album and it was never going to generate a ton of interest outside of her fans. I believe many of her fans still don't know about the album. I don't mean people like us, who try to stay updated but people who used to listen to her music/buy her albums etc. Here's an interesting question. How would people feel if she didn't do much promo from now on but released music more often? If she just released music for herself and her existing fans, not caring about sales or getting new fans. If she had an EP out before the end of the year or another full length by early 2020, a little tour maybe. Would people be happy with that? Not hearing much from her but getting quite regular new music. Obviously. She should have released HAW as an EP in 2018. If she isn't able to promote (because she doesn't like it, doesn't want or whatever), best she can do is stop saying 'im writing, recording, have 30 songs' but release something sooner than after 5 years.
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 28, 2019 21:52:57 GMT
By the way I find it funny how this is the third label she’s been on where fans are still finding ways to say the problem is the label. That may have been true for RCA and maybe Epic too, but at what point is it not the label anymore? I’ve never seen an artist go to a many labels as she has and still experience so many issues. I’d say if anything it is her management more than the label.
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Post by Anna on May 28, 2019 21:57:15 GMT
I’m not defending her or the blackout we seem to be experiencing but maybe it’s the record company? The album hasn’t performed as good as expected and maybe they’re just not investing any more money in music videos or tours and that’s it it’s the end of the era. If that’s true she’s stuck in an awkward position then what’s she supposed to tell us? Maybe she’s close to getting dropped? Didn't she say in an interview lately that she was planning a tour? She keeps saying that since December, and stressing a word "planning" as it wasn't anything obvious
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Post by Anna on May 28, 2019 22:01:18 GMT
By the way I find it funny how this is the third label she’s been on where fans are still finding ways to say the problem is the label. That may have been true for RCA and maybe Epic too, but at what point is it not the label anymore? I’ve never seen an artist go to a many labels as she has and still experience so many issues. I’d say if anything it is her management more than the label. Since the day one I believe BMG gave her the freedom she wanted and they don't interfere much or even not at all. It's possible they are only responsible for distribution of her music.
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Post by Anna on May 28, 2019 22:10:48 GMT
I’m not defending her or the blackout we seem to be experiencing but maybe it’s the record company? The album hasn’t performed as good as expected and maybe they’re just not investing any more money in music videos or tours and that’s it it’s the end of the era. If that’s true she’s stuck in an awkward position then what’s she supposed to tell us? Maybe she’s close to getting dropped? Going on tour results from promoting. You need people to buy tickets for your shows so they have to know you're active, and about the tour itself. So basically you cannot plan a tour without knowing there's a group of people who will buy the tickets. In Avril's case, she is lucky to be famous in Asia where she doesn't need to do much to plan a tour. Sadly, she will have to work very hard to play a proper tour in the US/Canada and Europe. She can play small venues, for 2k-5k in Europe but it still needs promotion - not after the tour is announced but before to encourage local booking agencies to be interested in paying her the money she wants for one show and be sure they can still earn some money. She probably wants money in advance, for booking a date, no matter if the show sells out or is cancelled and money for playing the show, plus money for her team/band.
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Post by mkay on May 28, 2019 22:13:57 GMT
As much as I love Avril, being a fan of hers is extremely frustrating. We get absolutely nothing from her other than music every “couple years”. She’s literally the only artist I know that does not communicate with her fans at all. Like most artist share their plans on Instagram about tour, music, personal information, or just replying to their comments in general. She does neither. And it’s hard waiting years for her to complete and release her album ( I’ve been exciting and wondering for years for it) and then do absolutely nothing with it. We all have the same complaints of her and there’s nothing we can do about it. We can’t make her release more music. We can’t make her communicate with us. We can’t make her do promo. Clearly all these “problems” she has with the labels isn’t the labels fault. It’s hers. And we just got to face the fact that being a fan of hers is not rewarding. And as I said, I love Avril. I used to be a hardcore fan who knew everything about her. I would bug my family and friends about waiting for new album and they would just groan when they heard her name because I talked about her way to much.
But I’m slowing not becoming a fan. More like a person who occasionally listens to her music. It’s hard being a fan of hers, when I can follow other people like Taylor Swift, Melanie Martinez, etc, who are now constantly releasing new information about their albums and bring excitement along with them. Avril will always have a place in my heart, just not as much.
And hopefully I won’t get hate on this. I’m just trying to show you my opinion. But I don’t know how much longer I will be communicating on this website due to the fact that we don’t really have any information to talk about. We just complain about her. Even That guy with all the information doesn’t have any anymore. He’s completely clueless like us. Now, I might stay a member in this website or maybe I won’t. It was nice reading your guys comments everyday though.👍
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Post by adamf83 on May 28, 2019 22:17:01 GMT
Tbh do we really care about a music video at this point? What’s the point of putting a music video out and disappearing again for months. It’s not like she is going to promote the single anyway. They should just announce the tour and do a small tour and end this mess. Or even better Avril should resign from the music, and focus on whatever she wants to do in life (painting, enjoy the money she has, etc) I am tired to see her laziness and her careless attitude. She should just quit. That's the last thing any of us should want. Its clear to me that Avril still loves to make music, she was writing music during the darkest period of her life, hardly the actions of somebody lazy and careless. Avril said to be patient and that's what I'm going to be. If nothing is happening I just appreciate what is already there until the next thing comes along. There will alway be another song/album/tour/tv performance or interview eventually. We can't expect there to be something new every week or Avril to give us a running commentary on every single thing she does.
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 28, 2019 22:39:34 GMT
Nobody said there has to be something new every week? Or for her to comment on everything? But she could update us on what is going on because she publicly said she was shooting a video for DB like a month ago then we only found out through a random interview and some third hand info online that it is canceled. Then she left us hanging. Is there any plan for a new single/video? A tour?
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 28, 2019 22:46:26 GMT
As much as I love Avril, being a fan of hers is extremely frustrating. We get absolutely nothing from her other than music every “couple years”. She’s literally the only artist I know that does not communicate with her fans at all. Like most artist share their plans on Instagram about tour, music, personal information, or just replying to their comments in general. She does neither. And it’s hard waiting years for her to complete and release her album ( I’ve been exciting and wondering for years for it) and then do absolutely nothing with it. We all have the same complaints of her and there’s nothing we can do about it. We can’t make her release more music. We can’t make her communicate with us. We can’t make her do promo. Clearly all these “problems” she has with the labels isn’t the labels fault. It’s hers. And we just got to face the fact that being a fan of hers is not rewarding. And as I said, I love Avril. I used to be a hardcore fan who knew everything about her. I would bug my family and friends about waiting for new album and they would just groan when they heard her name because I talked about her way to much. But I’m slowing not becoming a fan. More like a person who occasionally listens to her music. It’s hard being a fan of hers, when I can follow other people like Taylor Swift, Melanie Martinez, etc, who are now constantly releasing new information about their albums and bring excitement along with them. Avril will always have a place in my heart, just not as much. And hopefully I won’t get hate on this. I’m just trying to show you my opinion. But I don’t know how much longer I will be communicating on this website due to the fact that we don’t really have any information to talk about. We just complain about her. Even That guy with all the information doesn’t have any anymore. He’s completely clueless like us. Now, I might stay a member in this website or maybe I won’t. It was nice reading your guys comments everyday though.👍 I totally agree. I’ve loved Avril since day 1 and she was my childhood idol. But lately it’s become so frustrating being a fan and it started as far back as 2011, but it wasn’t even that bad then. Even AL era wasn’t that bad compared to this. I’m slowing moving towards other artists I like. I will always love Avril and listen to her music, but she doesn’t do or say anything interesting anymore. I look at artists like Taylor who is pretty much the complete opposite of Avril, the way she constantly interacts with fans, the way she makes album releases so fun and makes clues, countdowns, the way she can speak so articulately about her music, her concert tours, that is what I would love from Avril. But sadly I don’t think she’ll ever do things like that. I never want to say that I have moved on from her, I’ll always be a fan and enjoy the past eras and whatever music she releases in the future, but it’s like there is something missing from her that I find in artists like Taylor that satisfies me more.
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Post by adamf83 on May 28, 2019 22:46:59 GMT
Nobody said there has to be something new every week? Or for her to comment on everything? But she could update us on what is going on because she publicly said she was shooting a video for DB like a month ago then we only found out through a random interview and some third hand info online that it is canceled. Then she left us hanging. Is there any plan for a new single/video? A tour? Well she did mention a tour. Maybe she just isn't going to give more details until everything is finalised.
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