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Post by Duwod on Aug 10, 2020 3:43:49 GMT
Sone people love to think dark and bad lol. I was mad a few times because of the concerts not being cancelled/postponed because of the money I gave and that is in my eyes something understandable. As for Avril.. I don’t see it why you could make assumptions about that she only cared about the money and not her health.. her concert schedule gave her enough time to take a BREAK to RECOVER IF something unexpected happened to her during the tour. So she clearly did care about it before starting anything. When the pandemic started a lot of people waited for a bit before cancelling. We don’t know the situation in Avrils case but if we are making assumptions here let me make one more: she doesn’t even fully understand how modern stuff like streaming works so do you really think she was the only one to decide on what would happen with the tour? I don’t see why she would „only care about money“. And even if she did.. we all do care about getting payed and would wait until certain circumstances before saying no to that money. — This sounded a little negative so I am sorry. Plus this seems to belong to the HAW Tour thread so I am sorry once again.
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Post by Jinkxx on Aug 10, 2020 8:56:58 GMT
I hope she has a few new songs and when touring starts happening she plays them!! but that's most likely only a wish
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Post by BogoGog24 on Aug 10, 2020 13:11:40 GMT
Sone people love to think dark and bad lol. I was mad a few times because of the concerts not being cancelled/postponed because of the money I gave and that is in my eyes something understandable. As for Avril.. I don’t see it why you could make assumptions about that she only cared about the money and not her health.. her concert schedule gave her enough time to take a BREAK to RECOVER IF something unexpected happened to her during the tour. So she clearly did care about it before starting anything. When the pandemic started a lot of people waited for a bit before cancelling. We don’t know the situation in Avrils case but if we are making assumptions here let me make one more: she doesn’t even fully understand how modern stuff like streaming works so do you really think she was the only one to decide on what would happen with the tour? I don’t see why she would „only care about money“. And even if she did.. we all do care about getting payed and would wait until certain circumstances before saying no to that money. — This sounded a little negative so I am sorry. Plus this seems to belong to the HAW Tour thread so I am sorry once again. Well besides that, even if money was a huge factor in whether the shows went ahead or not, while Avril could afford not to tour, as I mentioned before her band and crew depend on gigs. So she could have also wanted to push ahead for the sake of the rest of her crew still getting paid. And yeah she is under contract with Live Nation or some other touring company, so it’s up to them what happens with the tour, I doubt she really made that many decisions other than the setlist and the look of the stage, costumes, stuff like that. The schedule and everything else is done by somebody else. And they probably knew of her health situation and designed the schedule so she could have rest days if needed because they can’t afford to have her canceling shows if she needs rest, so they built it into the schedule.
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Post by Anna on Aug 14, 2020 9:28:14 GMT
I don't forget her and her team not cancelling/postponing shows even if all the other artists had already started doing it. She basically waited until the single governments chose for her , first Zurich, then Paris, Then Milan and so on. She seemed more interested in the money issue rather than her health, so don't worry for her to be immunocomromised because she showed us she didn't care and if governments wouldn't have cancelled all shows she would come and play in Europe I highly doubt that. It’s not just Avril making these decisions, it’s her under contract with Live Nation/Ticketmaster who those two greedy bastards still aren’t saying shows are canceled. It’s partially true. All depends on the contract, obviously but the artist has the final word to say whether something gets a green light or not. Money could be the factor to reconsider a decision. In March/April Live Nation has already known they would be struggling to deal with the Covid impact and perhaps as Jennifer worked (maybe still is?) for the company, she suggested not rushing some decisions.
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Post by Anna on Aug 14, 2020 9:30:11 GMT
I hope that Avril has been paying her band and crew while there are no shows taking place. She can certainly afford to and a lot of her crew depend on these jobs. For sure not. Technicians and backup musicians are hired for a certain tasks, they earn when the musician tours. That’s why some bands like Metallica or Paramore schedule a show or two even when they are officially taking a break because they want to support their crew financially
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Post by BogoGog24 on Aug 14, 2020 13:07:19 GMT
I hope that Avril has been paying her band and crew while there are no shows taking place. She can certainly afford to and a lot of her crew depend on these jobs. For sure not. Technicians and backup musicians are hired for a certain tasks, they earn when the musician tours. That’s why some bands like Metallica or Paramore schedule a show or two even when they are officially taking a break because they want to support their crew financially I believe that some big artists like Taylor Swift are doing this though. In fact I have read before that Taylor pays at least her band (not sure about the crew) year-round, even when they aren’t touring. If an artist can afford to pay them from their own pocket, some of them probably do and are doing so during this time. Whether Avril is or not, we don’t know, but I hope for their sake they are getting income somehow.
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Post by Duwod on Aug 14, 2020 15:07:22 GMT
Today I listened to the whole album again for the first time in moths and I gotta say.. I just realized that I missed it. From top to bottom, even Birdie grew on me after all this time. I enjoyed the heavy first half, the transition to Dumb Blonde (danced a little lol) then It Was In Me and the whole second half. I loved it that the second half is so „light“ would you call it like that? I still enjoy Souvenir and would rank it on top. Even Love Me Insane was just great to hear again. I‘m happy that I relistened to everything.
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Post by biggerwow on Aug 14, 2020 16:22:30 GMT
For sure not. Technicians and backup musicians are hired for a certain tasks, they earn when the musician tours. That’s why some bands like Metallica or Paramore schedule a show or two even when they are officially taking a break because they want to support their crew financially I believe that some big artists like Taylor Swift are doing this though. In fact I have read before that Taylor pays at least her band (not sure about the crew) year-round, even when they aren’t touring. If an artist can afford to pay them from their own pocket, some of them probably do and are doing so during this time. Whether Avril is or not, we don’t know, but I hope for their sake they are getting income somehow. I imagined that's what you meant. There are famous people who help out their crew during difficult times or regular times. Then there are others who fire their entire crew and hire other people so they save money.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Aug 14, 2020 16:27:11 GMT
I feel bad for her new bassist Matty or whatever his name is. This was probably his first big gig, touring with a major act like Avril. The others might have enough money saved up because they've been at this for so long, but someone like him who is a relative newcomer might be struggling financially. I feel bad that this was probably like his first huge gig and it's canceled for a while. At least he got a chance to play the US shows before all this happened. But yeah I hope maybe for the ones who are struggling that Avril's tried to help out, or at least directed him to some of those charities that help working musicians like MusiCares, I think is one.
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Post by gabbox on Aug 17, 2020 16:59:33 GMT
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Post by BogoGog24 on Aug 17, 2020 17:26:31 GMT
I’m pretty sure award shows only ask artists to perform who are either nominated or have something to promote. A handful of fans putting her name in isn’t going to do anything. I love Avril and when she has new music out, I’d love to see her on these award shows again but fans also need to face the fact she’s not relevant anymore and isn’t going to be on these shows.
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Post by ludovicaav on Aug 17, 2020 20:20:47 GMT
I’m pretty sure award shows only ask artists to perform who are either nominated or have something to promote. A handful of fans putting her name in isn’t going to do anything. I love Avril and when she has new music out, I’d love to see her on these award shows again but fans also need to face the fact she’s not relevant anymore and isn’t going to be on these shows. How negative and cynical, man
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Post by biggerwow on Aug 17, 2020 21:09:42 GMT
I’m pretty sure award shows only ask artists to perform who are either nominated or have something to promote. A handful of fans putting her name in isn’t going to do anything. I love Avril and when she has new music out, I’d love to see her on these award shows again but fans also need to face the fact she’s not relevant anymore and isn’t going to be on these shows. How negative and cynical, man Nah man, it's reality. I did vote for her once on the Billboard Awards poll though. But Billboard.com putting up a similar poll this time for the VMAs, is so obvious that this is just another reader poll. To add, I believe that it is not the fans who should be doing the job of the people she pays to get her to perform on these shows. I've seen faded celebs get a random performance so I still think there's hope for Avril. But it has to be at the start of an era when she's at her strongest.
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Post by orangesky on Aug 17, 2020 21:40:28 GMT
I think the Junos is her best chance of performing somewhere. She's won the fan vote award 2 years running even against more mainstream acts with big fanbases like Beiber and Shawn Mendes so that might make them pay more attention to her. Plus she's canadian and has won/performed there many times. Maybe radio Disney awards again since that was a bit of a surprise
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Post by BogoGog24 on Aug 17, 2020 21:59:43 GMT
I am surprised she didn't get a slot on this year's JUNOs, considering she was nominated for 2 awards, including Best Pop Album.
@biggerwow Exactly - fans can tweet and vote in polls all they want, but it's up to Avril's management to book her on these shows. A small group of fans tweeting they want to see her pretty much does nothing. The organizers of these shows book with the artist's management. So if Avril wants to be on the show, her management has to go to bat for her. And yeah it would have made more sense to do that when HAW first came out, but now she really doesn't have anything to promote unless she were to debut a brand new single.
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