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Post by ame · 雨 on Oct 5, 2020 17:03:04 GMT
oh wow...that's sad...😂😂
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Post by orangesky on Oct 5, 2020 18:48:46 GMT
I think you have to bear in mind that Avril's peak fame was pre-social media while people like Taylor and Selena became famous with social media being a big thing so of course they make better use of it and have more fans. Avril's fans are largely older and less obsessed with social media. If twitter and IG had been around back during 2002-07 she would have had plenty more
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 22:33:57 GMT
Yungblud covered and mashed up Taylor and Avril’s I’m With You. Then Tay retweeted it and mentioned our girl. Everyone’s going mad on YouTube because the BBC have titled it something along the lines of ‘Yungblud covers Taylor Swift’s Cardigan with a little bit of Avril Lavigne’s With You for good measure’. I can see why, especially since he appears to be singing more of I’m With You than Cardigan! They can’t even get the title of the song right. But like the convo above about her Twitter following clearly shows, you’re either popular or you’re not. I totally agree about her not using social media as much as other artists is to do with the fact she was huge before it pretty much existed. I also think it’s to do with the fact that she is shy and she is from an age of artist where there’s an element of mystery there which I think that’s what a popstar should be. I’m not arsed about knowing what she’s doing every second of the day like some artists do.
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Post by Panchali on Oct 6, 2020 7:44:51 GMT
Sometimes I think she didn’t reinvent herself in a way that would catch eyes.. and I think controveries help too. It gets your attention. Everyone was curious about Taylor Swift’s Look what you made me do. Everyone wants to know who the new song is about, who she is dating. Avril is very private and restrained in that regard.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Oct 6, 2020 12:15:57 GMT
I agree about reinventing herself but I’m glad Avrils personal life is generally not a focus of her career. She doesn’t need “controversies,” all it does is cause drama.
After GL the reinventions kind of stopped, her first 4 albums each had such a distinct sound and image where you could easily tell them apart. I miss that about her music but I also can understand why she eventually stopped. Reinvention was something Taylor discussed in her documentary about how it’s basically expected of female artists and how exhausting it can be trying to find new aspects of yourself to keep your audience interested. You have to keep switching it up but it can’t be TOO different or else you’ll scare your audience away. And if you can’t keep up, you’re out of a job, so your career is on the line which adds a whole other layer of pressure.
I think for Avril the reinventions came naturally because she started young and was growing up, it was natural that her style and sound were going to change. But once she hit her mid to late 20s, you don’t change as much at that age and the reinventions stopped. I think she just wants to make music and be her natural self instead of putting on some character or image that isn’t really her just to sell records and at this point in her career, I think that’s totally fine.
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Post by adamf83 on Oct 6, 2020 12:16:52 GMT
Sometimes I think she didn’t reinvent herself in a way that would catch eyes.. and I think controveries help too. It gets your attention. Everyone was curious about Taylor Swift’s Look what you made me do. Everyone wants to know who the new song is about, who she is dating. Avril is very private and restrained in that regard. Which is a good thing in my opinion. Avril doesn't need to air her dirt laundry for a few extra thousand follows on social media. Avril lets her music do tha talking and people can interpret that in whatever way they like.
As for the social media thing, as people have said its probably down to Avril being new before the social media age. Bandaids was huge when forums are what Instagram etc are now.
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Post by Panchali on Oct 6, 2020 14:49:09 GMT
I agree about reinventing herself but I’m glad Avrils personal life is generally not a focus of her career. She doesn’t need “controversies,” all it does is cause drama. After GL the reinventions kind of stopped, her first 4 albums each had such a distinct sound and image where you could easily tell them apart. I miss that about her music but I also can understand why she eventually stopped. Reinvention was something Taylor discussed in her documentary about how it’s basically expected of female artists and how exhausting it can be trying to find new aspects of yourself to keep your audience interested. You have to keep switching it up but it can’t be TOO different or else you’ll scare your audience away. And if you can’t keep up, you’re out of a job, so your career is on the line which adds a whole other layer of pressure. I think for Avril the reinventions came naturally because she started young and was growing up, it was natural that her style and sound were going to change. But once she hit her mid to late 20s, you don’t change as much at that age and the reinventions stopped. I think she just wants to make music and be her natural self instead of putting on some character or image that isn’t really her just to sell records and at this point in her career, I think that’s totally fine. Sometimes I think she didn’t reinvent herself in a way that would catch eyes.. and I think controveries help too. It gets your attention. Everyone was curious about Taylor Swift’s Look what you made me do. Everyone wants to know who the new song is about, who she is dating. Avril is very private and restrained in that regard. Which is a good thing in my opinion. Avril doesn't need to air her dirt laundry for a few extra thousand follows on social media. Avril lets her music do tha talking and people can interpret that in whatever way they like.
As for the social media thing, as people have said its probably down to Avril being new before the social media age. Bandaids was huge when forums are what Instagram etc are now.
Yes, it's good in a way but I don't think she is less popular because she started when social media wasn't a thing. Beyonce still has 155M followers on Insta. Avril's music isn't mainstream and she doesn't have a good PR. Being relevant and popular for a long time is a very exhausting job. It seems to me that she doesn't really care much about it, which is why she has never changed musically. Taylor Swift is VERY ambitious.
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Post by ame · 雨 on Oct 6, 2020 15:10:56 GMT
I agree about reinventing herself but I’m glad Avrils personal life is generally not a focus of her career. She doesn’t need “controversies,” all it does is cause drama. After GL the reinventions kind of stopped, her first 4 albums each had such a distinct sound and image where you could easily tell them apart. I miss that about her music but I also can understand why she eventually stopped. Reinvention was something Taylor discussed in her documentary about how it’s basically expected of female artists and how exhausting it can be trying to find new aspects of yourself to keep your audience interested. You have to keep switching it up but it can’t be TOO different or else you’ll scare your audience away. And if you can’t keep up, you’re out of a job, so your career is on the line which adds a whole other layer of pressure. I think for Avril the reinventions came naturally because she started young and was growing up, it was natural that her style and sound were going to change. But once she hit her mid to late 20s, you don’t change as much at that age and the reinventions stopped. I think she just wants to make music and be her natural self instead of putting on some character or image that isn’t really her just to sell records and at this point in her career, I think that’s totally fine. I get what you say and I agree. However, I still think she just doesn't care that much anymore or maybe she just got lazy. It's like saying you only like one ice cream falvor, or dish. It's the same with music. You like pop, maybe rock and kpop at the same time. and all of that is still part of who you are. You don't have to be fake to explore parts of yourself you didn't before. I think that's what Taylor does, she is pretty smart and ambicious. I think she is not brave enough anymore to try new things, or maybe she got tired, which is undertandable, if she doesn't want to, it's not a must. but for the sake of knowing what's happening, maybe she doesn't have that many ideas left, or maybe she was always simpler that we thought (?). Cause i know pretty basic people which are not willing to grow or extend their preferences. in 2009 i hated pop, i hated kpop, i hated dance or electronic music. Now i listen to it and grew to appreciate the art behind it, like, billie's music videos or the way she presents the product. not my favorite type of music but i'm not blind or deaf to disrespect the hard and innovative work behind it. My point is Avril has many different aspect of her life that didn't reflect on her music. WE got like 2 songs aboult Lyme, ONLY 2, like girl... (well, there are unrelseade ones i guess). she never got too deep into her feelings, and i'm not asking to share private information if you don't wanna, but be creative or lie about it and say it's about a friend idk. one of her best songs, nobody's home, a song so many of her fans relate to, is not even about her. it's nothing bad but just an example. She didn't do the country stuff either, i mean, i'm not necesarly eexcited about it but it would be something different and still part of herself as she said and we saw her listening to that type of music. At some point she was ready to do more electronic and pop-dance stuff if i'm not wrong but didn't. To sum up, she always plays safe. And i kinda get it, as Taylor said, it is difficult to change styles, and pretty scary and you can get lost, i get it. She got so much backlasj bc of TBDT and let's be honest, it was more the style, the high heels, the pink, becasue the music was rpetty much the same, i would say, even rockier than LG so... The thing is that she really want to be like MAdonna, she has to reinvent herselft at some point. I'm glad she's doing this Tommee colab, or she got in contact with MGK, maybe it will open her eyes a bit.
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Post by Abu on Oct 6, 2020 19:30:28 GMT
In my opinion, I like how Avril Lavigne keeps her personal life out of the spotlight and doesn't get in social media controversy. I am a fan of Lana Del Rey and constantly having to hear her latest controversy (attacking feminism, wearing mesh masks at a book signing in a coronavirus hotspot, attacking other female artists) is really tiring me because I just want to enjoy her music without having her real-life views brought up to me. If Avril Lavigne kept exposing all her personal issues with other artists it would make me more tired of her.
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Post by Panchali on Oct 6, 2020 20:31:16 GMT
In my opinion, I like how Avril Lavigne keeps her personal life out of the spotlight and doesn't get in social media controversy. I am a fan of Lana Del Rey and constantly having to hear her latest controversy (attacking feminism, wearing mesh masks at a book signing in a coronavirus hotspot, attacking other female artists) is really tiring me because I just want to enjoy her music without having her real-life views brought up to me. If Avril Lavigne kept exposing all her personal issues with other artists it would make me more tired of her. Yes, I mean.. not in a messy or annoying kind of way but something more positive. There needs to be better engagement and PR, if increasing the fanbase is what we are talking about. Otherwise, it's all good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 21:52:25 GMT
In my opinion, I like how Avril Lavigne keeps her personal life out of the spotlight and doesn't get in social media controversy. I am a fan of Lana Del Rey and constantly having to hear her latest controversy (attacking feminism, wearing mesh masks at a book signing in a coronavirus hotspot, attacking other female artists) is really tiring me because I just want to enjoy her music without having her real-life views brought up to me. If Avril Lavigne kept exposing all her personal issues with other artists it would make me more tired of her. Are there any links to those articles?
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Post by Abu on Oct 7, 2020 12:13:06 GMT
In my opinion, I like how Avril Lavigne keeps her personal life out of the spotlight and doesn't get in social media controversy. I am a fan of Lana Del Rey and constantly having to hear her latest controversy (attacking feminism, wearing mesh masks at a book signing in a coronavirus hotspot, attacking other female artists) is really tiring me because I just want to enjoy her music without having her real-life views brought up to me. If Avril Lavigne kept exposing all her personal issues with other artists it would make me more tired of her. Are there any links to those articles? Do you mean about Lana Del Rey? www.standard.co.uk/insider/alist/lana-del-rey-criticised-songs-abusive-relationship-a4446891.htmlwww.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-54416856
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 12:25:38 GMT
Yes. Thanks for the links.
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Post by Crush on Oct 8, 2020 19:04:32 GMT
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Post by pllforlife on Oct 15, 2020 15:51:54 GMT
Avril has a new song coming out tomorrow. It’s a Christmas song on an album called A Birth of a King. Not a collab! Although it’s a compilation album. She will sing What Child Is This
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