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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 16, 2022 1:51:57 GMT
I'm still shocked that HAW is her least streamed album in her entire discography. I don't get how her 2013 album has more streams than HAW or even UMS. Self titled album has HTNGU and HK which were well known singles, plus 2 collabs. Meanwhile HAW didn’t really have any hits or viral songs, the closest is DB with Nicki but other than that this album flew under the radar as far as the general public is concerned.
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Post by Jinkxx on Jan 17, 2022 8:09:16 GMT
I think I've streamed this album like an obsessed person, lol! Almost all songs on HAW are always in my most listened songs
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Post by HBK on Jan 18, 2022 0:41:34 GMT
Self titled album has HTNGU and HK which were well known singles, plus 2 collabs. Meanwhile HAW didn’t really have any hits or viral songs, the closest is DB with Nicki but other than that this album flew under the radar as far as the general public is concerned. But as far as I know, HTNGU is pretty much forgotten as a single. What's also mystifying is that a vast majority of people (both Avril fans and the general populace alike) shit on HAW (the album) because it contained too many ballads and slow songs. Yet GL is entirely made up of ballads and downtempo songs, and almost everyone claims that GL is her magnum opus. I can never understand how people can rank GL well above HAW since both albums have a similar aura.
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Post by Jinkxx on Jan 18, 2022 8:40:51 GMT
Self titled album has HTNGU and HK which were well known singles, plus 2 collabs. Meanwhile HAW didn’t really have any hits or viral songs, the closest is DB with Nicki but other than that this album flew under the radar as far as the general public is concerned. But as far as I know, HTNGU is pretty much forgotten as a single. What's also mystifying is that a vast majority of people (both Avril fans and the general populace alike) shit on HAW (the album) because it contained too many ballads and slow songs. Yet GL is entirely made up of ballads and downtempo songs, and almost everyone claims that GL is her magnum opus. I can never understand how people can rank GL well above HAW since both albums have a similar aura. Exactly!! As for me HAW is better than GL but GL comes right after HAW cause of sort of similarity!
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Post by orangesky on Jan 18, 2022 11:35:58 GMT
I like HAW more than GL but when GL first came out I liked it a lot. It just didn't have much staying power for me. HAW as a whole is much more solid to me
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 18, 2022 13:15:01 GMT
I honestly haven’t heard anyone make such boisterous claims about GL. There’s definitely its share of fans who love it, but most think its one of her weaker albums. Even for those who love it, I’m not sure they objectively think it’s her best album. You can have a favorite album without necessarily thinking it’s the best. A while back we had a poll where we asked what we thought her magnum opus was and the overwhelming majority voted LG.
As far as GL vs HAW is concerned, I think GL is more cohesive but HAW overall has better writing and production, which is where GL seriously falters.
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Post by HBK on Jan 19, 2022 1:09:15 GMT
I honestly haven’t heard anyone make such boisterous claims about GL. There’s definitely its share of fans who love it, but most think its one of her weaker albums. Even for those who love it, I’m not sure they objectively think it’s her best album. You can have a favorite album without necessarily thinking it’s the best. A while back we had a poll where we asked what we thought her magnum opus was and the overwhelming majority voted LG. As far as GL vs HAW is concerned, I think GL is more cohesive but HAW overall has better writing and production, which is where GL seriously falters. I don't want to start a war between Avril fanbases. But the Avril fans on ATRL say the opposite. They tend to use the fact that GL is her third-most streamed album (while HAW is her least-streamed album) as affirmation of that album's quality. I believe HAW is more cohesive than GL is, mostly due to the MM songs on GL. However, I think both GL and HAW demonstrate cheap production and Avril's lack of solid songwriting skills.
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Post by katy on Jan 20, 2022 20:16:56 GMT
God I can’t imagine how anyone could think GL is a quality album.
I actually think HAW is quite underrated. Sure it fizzles out a bit towards the end but most of the songs are really quite good. Maybe it slips under the radar a bit because we never got a full era with the tour cancellation etc and it wasn’t her usual sound for the most part. TMIO is one of the best songs she’s ever done imo.
From the three, I’d probably rate them
1. HAW 2. AL 3. GL
AL is by no means a good album but it has at least 4/5 good songs on it. GL has….well, 1 in my opinion lol. Maybe 2 if I’m being generous.
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Post by Kaan on Jan 22, 2022 0:25:55 GMT
God I can’t imagine how anyone could think GL is a quality album. I actually think HAW is quite underrated. Sure it fizzles out a bit towards the end but most of the songs are really quite good. Maybe it slips under the radar a bit because we never got a full era with the tour cancellation etc and it wasn’t her usual sound for the most part. TMIO is one of the best songs she’s ever done imo. From the three, I’d probably rate them 1. HAW 2. AL 3. GL AL is by no means a good album but it has at least 4/5 good songs on it. GL has….well, 1 in my opinion lol. Maybe 2 if I’m being generous.
I agree, TMIO is a true gem! Some of my friends who are not fond of Avril were loving it. I hope she tries that genre again in the future.
I think I like only Darlin and Everybody Hurts from Goodbye Lullaby. I love the tune of Darlin as well as its message. I remember seeing some YouTube comments about it saying how the song helped them cope with suicidal thoughts and depression. It makes me really happy and fascinated as both an Avril fan and a clinical psychologist when I encounter people saying an Avril song significantly influenced their well-being in a positive way. Hell, you can take it as an LGBTQ+ coming out song as well though it's clearly not but I know some people who want to interpret it that way. I personally like Everbody Hurts too when I'm in the mood, particularly the outro where she tries to soothe the listener by saying it's okay to be afraid and everybody feels this way but it's gonna be okay etc. in combination with angelic vocals and some other lullaby words. The album is very average (maybe worse) other than these two songs in my opinion.
Head Above Water has more quality and is more mature and coherent. I love all the songs except DB, Goddess, Bigger Wow, and LMI. Yes, the album could of course have been better but it has a special place in my heart because I can sincerely relate to some of the songs in it due to personal reasons so I'm not sure how objective I can be on this! I'd take HAW over GL anytime, this is for sure. It feels ironic to me that how an album telling a story about survival and an important illness got affected badly by a different type of serious sickness and ended up being very underrated.
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Post by TomX on Jan 23, 2022 3:59:16 GMT
Lights Out is really good. Could've easily replaced LMI or BW.
While I think HAW is probably better than GL and definitely better than AL, the last part is just plain boring to me. If she had included Lights Out, In Touch, Break It So Good and Bright and removed Bigger Wow, LMI and Goddess, the album would've been much better than GL. The b-sides of this album are incredibly good´, even Don't Stop and it's weird glitchy electronic k-pop vibe is catchy and enjoyable.
I always think that Avril never had a concept for HAW. She just wrote HAW and Warrior and might've felt the pressure to make an entire album, but her inspiration wasn't quite there and that second part of the album shows it. It's undoubtedly her weakest second half in her discography.
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Post by StrongSweet on Jan 23, 2022 4:20:35 GMT
Since Under My Skin, I become more underwhelmed when she suddenly slip in some tracks that are so optimistic if compering them to other tracks from the same album. It's good thing if you find hope but I assume emotion wouldn't flip from 0 to 10 level wise in seconds. So I always find weird about from consistency to the popping up of "Love Me Insane" and "Bigger Wow" like "Freak Out" and all transition in the self-titled. "Lights Out" would fit very well btw
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Post by BogoGog24 on Jan 23, 2022 5:07:01 GMT
Lights Out is really good. Could've easily replaced LMI or BW. While I think HAW is probably better than GL and definitely better than AL, the last part is just plain boring to me. If she had included Lights Out, In Touch, Break It So Good and Bright and removed Bigger Wow, LMI and Goddess, the album would've been much better than GL. The b-sides of this album are incredibly good´, even Don't Stop and it's weird glitchy electronic k-pop vibe is catchy and enjoyable. I always think that Avril never had a concept for HAW. She just wrote HAW and Warrior and might've felt the pressure to make an entire album, but her inspiration wasn't quite there and that second part of the album shows it. It's undoubtedly her weakest second half in her discography. I find it really weird that she seemed to buy a lot of songs already written, for example I think most of TMIO was already written by the time she got it. Then she recorded demos of I Want What I Want which is a cover, then Bright and Lights Out seem like they were written by different artists, and In Touch was I think written by and for Bebe Rexha. Even IWIM seems like Lauren probably wrote most of it despite Avril’s claims they wrote it together. If she was buying songs already written and maybe just changing a few words or whatever, that clearly shows she wasn’t that inspired to write her own stuff at the time.
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Post by Jinkxx on Jan 23, 2022 9:27:34 GMT
Lights Out is really good. Could've easily replaced LMI or BW.While I think HAW is probably better than GL and definitely better than AL, the last part is just plain boring to me. If she had included Lights Out, In Touch, Break It So Good and Bright and removed Bigger Wow, LMI and Goddess, the album would've been much better than GL. The b-sides of this album are incredibly good´, even Don't Stop and it's weird glitchy electronic k-pop vibe is catchy and enjoyable. I always think that Avril never had a concept for HAW. She just wrote HAW and Warrior and might've felt the pressure to make an entire album, but her inspiration wasn't quite there and that second part of the album shows it. It's undoubtedly her weakest second half in her discography. The things in bold I agree on, but Goddess is so lovely! I like the acoustic vibe of it. Lights Out and Bright should've been included because she always says HAW was about her health battle but only 2 songs are about that, maybe 3 if you count IWIM. Is she would've added Lights Out and Bright it would've made more sense. Don't Stop can stay away, it doesn't belong on HAW xD. In Touch is too similair with Souvenir and I like Souvenir better than In Touch. And Break It So Good is not bad but not that good. I kinda like it but would like it a lot better when Avril sang more on it. I don't like I Want What I Want tho.
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Post by Hellelujah on Jan 27, 2022 3:54:53 GMT
I agree with the things you are saying.
I guess she didn’t have the inspiration to write HAW/warrior type of songs, I mean to find inspiration to write a full record about the same things. So probably Rotem showed her some songs and she agreed to add them, then they broke up and she recorded/wrote the second half without a real inspiration.
I mean BG, LMI, Goddess, DB and Souvenir look like they were made in a weekend.
There’s a HAW version made by Rotem, I wonder how it actually sounds. But we can guess it sounds like Bright and Lights Out sonically, more R&B inspired.
It’s just a matter of time until HAW, Lucky Ones and Here In Your Arms leak
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2022 6:44:31 GMT
Isn't this something she does with nearly every album? ? She lets who she's dating and/or broke up with at the time influence the outcome of her albums. She got rid of all but one JR song because they broke up, then she changed the entire second half of HAW to have songs about Phill, who she broke up with before the release of HAW anyway.
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