muchformyhappyending
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Post by muchformyhappyending on May 27, 2019 13:02:37 GMT
The Head Above Water thread has been fluttering for months, mainly because of the chaos promo and the usual delays.
It begins to become a bit boring, as someone explains the PERSONAL opinion, will always be a person who belittle the opinion and begins to explain Avril's certificate (this is an expression in Hungarian when someone is obviously making shit, or just lazy, but he wants to catch everything, instead of admitting his mistake). What is even more annoying is that if the person who made the criticism disagrees with the explanation, it will simply be offensive and jerky.
For example, if I say that the quality of the Tell Me It's Over video is very bad, then there will surely be someone who says: Oh, so everyone here is so negative, you could be happy with what we have. Avril's hair is beautiful in the clip.
And this goes for every idea, suggestion when someone imagines the material or the promotion differently than it does.
I created this thread so that EVERYONE can freely describe his opinion about HAW era, whether positive or negative, and especially because I am interested in what he would like to see for promotion, media, and sound.
Here are some questions I thought about getting started (but don't have to stick to it):
1, Which songs would you choose for singles (with mv)? And what are your visions for that?
2, Which song (s) are the best single materials on the album IYO? (if there any)
3, What would have been your ideas for existing videos and the Devil video being made?
4, Which channel would be more effective in communicating with Avril and fans?
5, Do you have any songs you'd cancel from the disc? If so, which one? And which one would you add? (from unreleased) 6, If HAW is low-budget, where would you group the sources? 7, Clothing line
I know that we all have discussed these in the main thread, but now you can unchain your imaginary about the great possibilities about HAW without anybody say "well, you all want too much, be happy what we have"
Let's remake this era so far!
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Post by biggerwow on May 27, 2019 17:59:59 GMT
I just want the Devil video to have some type of Hades and Persephone storyline. Something dark and gothic is right up her alley.
EDIT: OR
It opens up with an orchestra playing violins and cellos at her wedding. Shots of her putting on her black veil and starts walking down the aisle. As the chorus starts she starts having visions of their romance. Think Harley Quinn's dream in Suicide Squad along with scenes of actions of them robbing banks or something. Then add visions of him hurting her similar to that of Big Little Lies when Perry is hurting Celeste. "It's now or never, wake me up from this dream" she's standing in front of him now and she sings the bridge similar to how she does in Alice. When she stood from the table and started running in the Alice MV. Maybe she suddenly runs back the aisle and he chases her.
Btw I'm just imaging her walking down the aisle in her black wedding dress with Chad (no offense Chad, I liked you) and the guy we don't even see his face he's just in an all black suit and has tattoos on his hands.
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Post by heaven on May 27, 2019 18:15:45 GMT
Honestly the 3 upbeat songs i would delete, they don't fit to the album and feel generic especially Bigger Wow and Souvenir, she doesn't even sound great there. And i wouldn't add any unreleased that we heard since they are waaay more generic, something that any newbie a la Ava Max could sing. What i would add is more songs about Lyme since there aren't enough to explain her journey.
As for the videos, tbh i prefer the Tell Me It's Over video than HAW one, let a part her tragic face expressions, not tragic inexistent expressions and the horreound lyp-sinch that she has been carrying it since Alice video, at least TMIO had a storyline, it had the door visual.. The other one is just her walking through a fake Iceland..where is the water vision? The bridge part is not enough.
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Post by muchformyhappyending on May 27, 2019 20:15:20 GMT
Thank you for joining this thought experiment. So, if I have given you some questions. About the wanna be singles.
1, Which songs would you choose for singles (with mv)? And what are your visions for that?
HAW Strong opening. I personally liked the atmosphere, the realization, the venue. The only thing I didn't like about it was too much CGI, which is more counterproductive for the whole. Avril's voice and appearance were beautiful and ethereal and Iceland was a very good choice. I didn't mind the underwater scenes didn't last longer because, overall, HAW is a positive song about survival and returning to God.
Anyway, sometimes I think that IWIM might have been better. But it may be just because I like it more than HAW.
Birdie or I Fell In Love With The Devil I don't think any of the songs would do on charts, but maybe with a good video. I like the fresh, slightly crazy futuristic line that has recently appeared with other artists mv. SIA is one of the most creative, but Katy Bon Apetitje is good I think. I barely dare to mention Taylor, but she did too (I don't know how understandable I am) But it might have been something to have Avril in a designed minimalistic room (but not like Let Me Go, I think this goth theme should be neglected.) like jewelery, golden bird cage, but like something in a bad dream, when approaching the door, it is further away. Or she's lying on the couch and stranger hands trying to shout her mouth.Not in a scary but a dynamic way. The clip's sight would be very clear and pure, compensating for the dark thing. The clothing is also clean and nothing panda makeup!
The Devil would work if a Fifty Shades Of Gray caliber film had a record for that. I don't know if it's just me, but I always hear a slight erotic stuff in it. I loved the fanmade cover designed for it. Could well express the bond to the abusive relationship and that it would not be easy to get rid of .
The two songs are very similar, so or or / What I would TOTALLY HATE if the Devil video would be like WYWH. Sorry not sorry, I think it was really crappy and dramatic. I love the song anyway.
Tell Me It's Over I love this song. Everything is in it, the experimental new sound, great vocals, power. I also liked the video clip for it. My favorite parts when she's in the white shirt with that ponytail. That was trendsetter but also fits her.
Bigger Wow Happy summer song, well suited for today's pop music sound. I don't like it that much, but some happy road-movie mv would be great.
+ 1 Break It So Good I think that this could have been a chart leader when they strenghten the electronic line and the mv presents the feelings of an adult woman in an aesthetic way.
Yeah and no AD bullshit. It totally ruins me when I see that he she's pushing the advertisement into a clip (or something else). And thank God deleting DB.
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Post by muchformyhappyending on May 27, 2019 20:25:21 GMT
Oh and I forgot the dates. HAW in September 2018 TMIO in December Birdie or Devil in late February or March 2019 Break It So Good in April Bigger Wow in June
and yeah, I don't really care that BISG is not on the album. xd
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Post by biggerwow on May 27, 2019 21:45:37 GMT
I find it so hard to think of a music video for Birdie without it seeming cliche. But I think it should have been a single. She could have released it before the album with an animated lyric video of a bird escaping a cage and flying over fire until it finds a safe place.
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Post by BogoGog24 on May 28, 2019 1:56:47 GMT
1. Which songs would you choose for singles (with mv)? And what are your visions for that?
I think the single choices so far are good with the exception of Dumb Blonde. I would also choose Birdie, Souvenir, and maybe Goddess as singles.
2. Which song (s) are the best single materials on the album IYO? (if there any)
I don't think really any of the songs would suit current radio trends, but TMIO I think could have had a chance on radio if given more promo. Birdie I think would also do well. I think Souvenir could work as a good summer single and I think it's possible they may be heading in that direction next (they used Souvenir in the Japan trip video with Danny). Goddess reminds me a lot of the kind of acoustic pop stuff Ed Sheeran and Shawn Mendes made famous a few years ago. But I think that style is out of date by now.
3. What would have been your ideas for existing videos and the Devil video being made?
I think the HAW video could have been a little better, like not using the stunt double so much. Otherwise I really liked it. I think TMIO could have been a lot better, the concept and stuff was just nothing super special. If a video for Devil gets made, I think they could go with something really simple, kind of like WYWH, to leave it open to interpretation what it is that is the "devil." They could just use some really interesting and effective lighting.
4. Which channel would be more effective in communicating with Avril and fans?
It's not the channel, but more like just Avril communicating in general. She simply needs to keep her fans more in the loop about what's happening music-wise. For example, if someone didn't ask her in an interview about the DB video, we'd still be waiting around to see it, not even knowing they don't plan to release it. I think it's total bullshit she lets the fans know she's shooting a video and then doesn't say anything about it being cancelled, knowing full well we are waiting for it. That is just a shitty way to treat your fans, like you don't even care enough to tell us about what is going on. Lots of other artists send out a tweet when something has gone wrong behind the scenes, if there's a delay with things or plans have changed. Avril needs to get with the times and be a little more transparent with her fans, plain and simple.
5. Do you have any songs you'd cancel from the disc? If so, which one? And which one would you add? (from unreleased)
I think the only one that doesn't belong is DB. I think it works in the context of it being the transition between the dark side of the album and the light. But otherwise I don't think it really belongs. Out of the unreleased songs, I wouldn't add any of the ones we've heard as I think they are too pop. But maybe one of the ones we haven't heard like Here in Your Arms or Black & White, like one of the songs that had more to do with Lyme.
6. If HAW is low-budget, where would you group the sources?
I don't really get what this question means. If you're saying that the promo for this era is too low-budget, well there's probably loads of things Avril can do for promo that don't involve money. But they need to do more than just the occasional "swipe up to stream x song" on her social media. That's just lame and lazy.
7. Clothing line
I am not sure what this is supposed to mean either. What about her clothing line? Well, as far as AD goes, it's become overpriced, basic looking merch at this point. She seems to enjoy designing (using the term loosely with her lol) the pieces and it must make some money or else I guess they wouldn't still be doing it. But I miss the days when the clothes were real clothes and not this cheap looking merch stuff. It is also way overpriced as well. By the time you get done with shipping you're paying like $40 or more for a basic t-shirt you could probably find at Urban Outfitters. Not to mention the designs are a total ripoff of other designs, like the Rolling Stones logo, Misfits logo, Jack Daniels, and lots of other things. I'm surprised she hasn't been sued yet.
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