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Post by Anna on Oct 23, 2019 20:33:09 GMT
i think they underestimated the european fans. i'm from budapest, i dont think she could sell an arena here, but vienna is ALWAYS a good place for the fans who lives near austria. i'm still glad that i can gooo I think this Avril's tour shows the typical distribution of concerts by any remotely relevant artist perfectly; As it is seen, it's practically perfectly centred along the so-called blue banana (real term), the most populated parts of the wealthiest regions of Europe. Now, I know that this means the tour has a nice and packed geographic plan, so it is time and cost-effective, but I'm thinking, does Benelux really need practically 3 separate locations, while places like Madrid, Rome, Athens, Budapest, Moscow, maybe even Stockholm, Belgrade, Warsaw, are seen as less viable than, for example, Denver, Colorado.. It’s also called Europe A. Speaking of locations, Warsaw may not be that close to Berlin but Poznan, one of the biggest cities in Poland, is like 3hrs drive away from Berlin, so it’s just the matter of planning, schedule, money etc. For now the only place they will have to spend extra money on traveling is in fact the second London, because they will have to transport the entire production back and forth. Or forth and back xD
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Post by Anna on Oct 23, 2019 20:41:42 GMT
i think they underestimated the european fans. i'm from budapest, i dont think she could sell an arena here, but vienna is ALWAYS a good place for the fans who lives near austria. i'm still glad that i can gooo I am certain she wouldn’t sell out arenas in Easter Europe but cities like London, Vienna or Berlin as so easily accessible for the rest of Europe that adding the number of counties she toured in 2008 totally explains why it sold out quickly. I said it before and I still know that she’d be able to play a long European tour playing around 20 shows, for 2-8K people and selling out most of the tour. No Russia seems to also be a bad step but I understand it because it’s far away from the Central Europe, so maybe they’ll add some dates with Asia leg
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Post by Anna on Oct 23, 2019 21:11:51 GMT
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Post by orangesky on Oct 23, 2019 21:18:19 GMT
The thing is, US acts won't add dates because of "travel costs" (for example them not going to Rome on this tour when they're already in Milan) but in the US they would happily travel much greater distances to get places. In comparison Europe is pretty small.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 21:27:18 GMT
I think this Avril's tour shows the typical distribution of concerts by any remotely relevant artist perfectly; As it is seen, it's practically perfectly centred along the so-called blue banana (real term), the most populated parts of the wealthiest regions of Europe. Now, I know that this means the tour has a nice and packed geographic plan, so it is time and cost-effective, but I'm thinking, does Benelux really need practically 3 separate locations, while places like Madrid, Rome, Athens, Budapest, Moscow, maybe even Stockholm, Belgrade, Warsaw, are seen as less viable than, for example, Denver, Colorado.. It’s also called Europe A. Speaking of locations, Warsaw may not be that close to Berlin but Poznan, one of the biggest cities in Poland, is like 3hrs drive away from Berlin, so it’s just the matter of planning, schedule, money etc. For now the only place they will have to spend extra money on traveling is in fact the second London, because they will have to transport the entire production back and forth. Or forth and back xD Precisely. It would have made more sense adding another Manchester date or continue up north like Liverpool, Newcastle or Glasgow but then again the whole of the UK revolves around London!
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Post by Duwod on Oct 24, 2019 5:42:50 GMT
i think they underestimated the european fans. i'm from budapest, i dont think she could sell an arena here, but vienna is ALWAYS a good place for the fans who lives near austria. i'm still glad that i can gooo I think this Avril's tour shows the typical distribution of concerts by any remotely relevant artist perfectly; As it is seen, it's practically perfectly centred along the so-called blue banana (real term), the most populated parts of the wealthiest regions of Europe. Now, I know that this means the tour has a nice and packed geographic plan, so it is time and cost-effective, but I'm thinking, does Benelux really need practically 3 separate locations, while places like Madrid, Rome, Athens, Budapest, Moscow, maybe even Stockholm, Belgrade, Warsaw, are seen as less viable than, for example, Denver, Colorado.. I like that term lol. Other than that I agree with everything you said.
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Post by Jinkxx on Oct 24, 2019 6:36:32 GMT
Manchester isn't too bad for scottish fans, it is only few hours away with a train. Is the new London date sold out too? Yes, In 2hrs And a half This is insane... I never thought she would be so popular after all.. Holland isn't sold out thi, I doubt it will, she never had a sold out show here I think. Her music doesn't chart here so this is beyond my expectations! I only thought Asia would sell out everything.
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Post by rubenmc on Oct 24, 2019 9:45:04 GMT
i think they underestimated the european fans. i'm from budapest, i dont think she could sell an arena here, but vienna is ALWAYS a good place for the fans who lives near austria. i'm still glad that i can gooo I think this Avril's tour shows the typical distribution of concerts by any remotely relevant artist perfectly; As it is seen, it's practically perfectly centred along the so-called blue banana (real term), the most populated parts of the wealthiest regions of Europe. Now, I know that this means the tour has a nice and packed geographic plan, so it is time and cost-effective, but I'm thinking, does Benelux really need practically 3 separate locations, while places like Madrid, Rome, Athens, Budapest, Moscow, maybe even Stockholm, Belgrade, Warsaw, are seen as less viable than, for example, Denver, Colorado.. You're absolutely right. At first it may seem weird that the European leg of the tour is concentrated in just the line that crosses the UK to Milan, but it is because is the wealthiest part of Europe and the, as you say, most "cost-effective" way to organize the tour. New artists always do it that way (she herself in the TTSMU tour if I recall well) and I think that is the same reason why in the US she only played East/West Coast and the Great Lakes area: because those, as well, are the wealthiest regions of the US. Even though she's not a new artist, her team probably didn't know how the tour would go after so many years of silence and decided to play safe. Those regions in Europe are the best connected with the rest of the continent (meaning a lot of people can travel there) and their citizens have a higher rent. Because a casual Dutch fan (for example) may see a banner of an Avril Lavigne concert and may think "Oh I know all the singles and it's only 47€, less than I spend in a Friday out with friends, let's go and do something different for that weekend", and maybe call some friends who barely know her music, but "it is always fun going to concerts". This way of thinking is less feasible in other parts of the continent that are not as wealthy, where only real fans would travel or are willing to pay 50€ to see an artist that they don't care much about. In this regard, I don't think they'll add more dates in different cities or countries in Europe. They probably think that a Polish that is really willing to see her would have already bought his tickets to Berlin/wherever, a Scotch to Manchester... and so on. Yeah, they could have added a date in Rome instead of Milan again, but that could have been seen as "disrespectful" with Roman fans that already have their concert/train tickets to Milan, and probably those fans would save more money buying another ticket for Rome than travelling and staying nights out, having to eat out... which would leave a lot of empty seats in the Milan venue or stimulate the resales, and that is something I don't think Avril's team want to promote. Also, playing 2 nights in a row in the same venue reduces the costs of organization etc, in comparison to travel to another city within the same country. Same applies for the UK, France, or other big countries that are left like Spain. What I do think is that they must have the information of where the tickets have been bought for each show and, if they see that a lot of people from X country have travelled to see her, I am sure they will take this into account for future tours, to set the dates where most fans live
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Post by Anna on Oct 24, 2019 10:54:28 GMT
I think this Avril's tour shows the typical distribution of concerts by any remotely relevant artist perfectly; As it is seen, it's practically perfectly centred along the so-called blue banana (real term), the most populated parts of the wealthiest regions of Europe. Now, I know that this means the tour has a nice and packed geographic plan, so it is time and cost-effective, but I'm thinking, does Benelux really need practically 3 separate locations, while places like Madrid, Rome, Athens, Budapest, Moscow, maybe even Stockholm, Belgrade, Warsaw, are seen as less viable than, for example, Denver, Colorado.. You're absolutely right. At first it may seem weird that the European leg of the tour is concentrated in just the line that crosses the UK to Milan, but it is because is the wealthiest part of Europe and the, as you say, most "cost-effective" way to organize the tour. New artists always do it that way (she herself in the TTSMU tour if I recall well) and I think that is the same reason why in the US she only played East/West Coast and the Great Lakes area: because those, as well, are the wealthiest regions of the US. Even though she's not a new artist, her team probably didn't know how the tour would go after so many years of silence and decided to play safe. Those regions in Europe are the best connected with the rest of the continent (meaning a lot of people can travel there) and their citizens have a higher rent. Because a casual Dutch fan (for example) may see a banner of an Avril Lavigne concert and may think "Oh I know all the singles and it's only 47€, less than I spend in a Friday out with friends, let's go and do something different for that weekend", and maybe call some friends who barely know her music, but "it is always fun going to concerts". This way of thinking is less feasible in other parts of the continent that are not as wealthy, where only real fans would travel or are willing to pay 50€ to see an artist that they don't care much about. In this regard, I don't think they'll add more dates in different cities or countries in Europe. They probably think that a Polish that is really willing to see her would have already bought his tickets to Berlin/wherever, a Scotch to Manchester... and so on. Yeah, they could have added a date in Rome instead of Milan again, but that could have been seen as "disrespectful" with Roman fans that already have their concert/train tickets to Milan, and probably those fans would save more money buying another ticket for Rome than travelling and staying nights out, having to eat out... which would leave a lot of empty seats in the Milan venue or stimulate the resales, and that is something I don't think Avril's team want to promote. Also, playing 2 nights in a row in the same venue reduces the costs of organization etc, in comparison to travel to another city within the same country. Same applies for the UK, France, or other big countries that are left like Spain. What I do think is that they must have the information of where the tickets have been bought for each show and, if they see that a lot of people from X country have travelled to see her, I am sure they will take this into account for future tours, to set the dates where most fans live Some people are already selling their tickets for March 16th in Milan and prefer March 15th.
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Post by Limbo Messiah on Oct 24, 2019 17:07:34 GMT
The Zurich show will be postponed and moved to a bigger venue
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Post by Duwod on Oct 24, 2019 17:23:38 GMT
Cool!
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Post by Anna on Oct 24, 2019 17:45:49 GMT
I am getting worried 😟 They are changing so many things...
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Post by BogoGog24 on Oct 24, 2019 17:56:36 GMT
This tour is just gonna last forever lol Seems they greatly underestimated her popularity in Europe which is a good thing! Maybe next time they’ll consider booking bigger venues/more dates in the first place. It’s odd though because I thought BST she was playing to like half empty arenas, now that they’ve played it safe and booked smaller venues she’s selling them out lol
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Post by lajra on Oct 24, 2019 17:56:49 GMT
I am getting worried 😟 They are changing so many things... There is nothing to worry imo, there's high demand so they at least do anything to make more people happy by giving them chance to go on her concert. There's a lot of time to re-arrange the free time to go.
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