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Post by MyHappySk8er on Mar 20, 2020 3:52:00 GMT
I feel bad for anyone who has to work in a grocery store, restaurant, or hospital, 'cause you not only still have to work and be exposed to everyone, but you also have to deal with stupid people who get angry if you run out of something. I've seen some customers with gloves and some of that group with masks too. I actually think it's quite funny how paranoid everyone is. My university also just announced that the rest of the spring semester will be online. Damn. I just realized that Spring Break will be over for me soon and it'll be right back to lots of coursework(all online, thankfully, so I don't have to commute). Oh my god. Trump just called it the "Chinese Virus." I know the Chinese government is probably lying about their situation concerning the Coronavirus and that the virus originated in China, but holy shit that's just absurd. Asians that have never been to China in their lives are getting attacked and in some instances, they're not even Chinese. Not only are the perpetrators assuming that all Asians are Chinese, but they're also working off that assumption and assuming that since they're Chinese, they also have the virus. It's ignorance layered upon ignorance. This renaming of the virus just feeds into it.
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Post by Uncle Bob on Mar 20, 2020 14:44:09 GMT
If I said, "I love Chinese food.", would that make me racist? Add a little essential oil for a different fragrance.
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Post by slapstick on Mar 20, 2020 17:00:00 GMT
If I said, "I love Chinese food.", would that make me racist? Add a little essential oil for a different fragrance. Everybody and their mother knows this as "the virus", or "corona virus", his consistent usage of "Chinese Virus" this past week is not only rarer among the public as well as in his own speeches until recently, it is an obvious pander to his core narrative of tilting toward external opponents, in this case China. Right now he had a long and broad press conference charade about how important stopping border hoppers is for fighting the pandemic, and while it's no doubt it could be an issue in terms of immigrants burdening the healthcare system even further, it is not something worthy of dedicating so much time over, but he does, because he's selling it to his base voters.
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Post by Uncle Bob on Mar 20, 2020 17:26:01 GMT
If I said, "I love Chinese food.", would that make me racist? Add a little essential oil for a different fragrance. Everybody and their mother knows this as "the virus", or "corona virus", his consistent usage of "Chinese Virus" this past week is not only rarer among the public as well as in his own speeches until recently, it is an obvious pander to his core narrative of tilting toward external opponents, in this case China. Right now he had a long and broad press conference charade about how important stopping border hoppers is for fighting the pandemic, and while it's no doubt it could be an issue in terms of immigrants burdening the healthcare system even further, it is not something worthy of dedicating so much time over, but he does, because he's selling it to his base voters. So what? I read your comment three times to make sure that is all I really wanted to say. I don't even disagree with your comment, except to say, it is only a "charade" if he doesn't believe what he is saying. Otherwise, I thought your comment was intelligent.
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Post by slapstick on Mar 20, 2020 17:48:11 GMT
Everybody and their mother knows this as "the virus", or "corona virus", his consistent usage of "Chinese Virus" this past week is not only rarer among the public as well as in his own speeches until recently, it is an obvious pander to his core narrative of tilting toward external opponents, in this case China. Right now he had a long and broad press conference charade about how important stopping border hoppers is for fighting the pandemic, and while it's no doubt it could be an issue in terms of immigrants burdening the healthcare system even further, it is not something worthy of dedicating so much time over, but he does, because he's selling it to his base voters. So what? I read your comment three times to make sure that is all I really wanted to say. I don't even disagree with your comment, except to say, it is only a "charade" if he doesn't believe what he is saying. Otherwise, I thought your comment was intelligent. Well, how much does he believe in what he's saying? He rants about jobs that were exported, but his own business is among the champions of job offshoring. He puts Mexican border hoppers in the spotlight, but his enterprise doesn't mind employing illegals. And it's not like there aren't more hypocrats in this debate, dems who who were lining up to yell about the ICE cages were largely the same folk who supported same measures just years ago under Obama. It's all a petty fight of a cluster of interconnected members of the elite, who are trying to rally up different segments of voters under some random themes they happened to find useful in their confrontation. Highly cynical, but it is what it is
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Post by Uncle Bob on Mar 20, 2020 18:13:26 GMT
So what? I read your comment three times to make sure that is all I really wanted to say. I don't even disagree with your comment, except to say, it is only a "charade" if he doesn't believe what he is saying. Otherwise, I thought your comment was intelligent. Well, how much does he believe in what he's saying? He rants about jobs that were exported, but his own business is among the champions of job offshoring. He puts Mexican border hoppers in the spotlight, but his enterprise doesn't mind employing illegals. And it's not like there aren't more hypocrats in this debate, dems who who were lining up to yell about the ICE cages were largely the same folk who supported same measures just years ago under Obama. It's all a petty fight of a cluster of interconnected members of the elite, who are trying to rally up different segments of voters under some random themes they happened to find useful in their confrontation. Highly cynical, but it is what it is Once again, an intelligent and perceptive comment. I have not seen any evidence his enterprises have broken the law, by employing illegals (or undocumented workers, for the politically correct). That might be an interesting topic, for a conversation, in a separate thread.
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Post by slapstick on Mar 20, 2020 18:29:21 GMT
Well, how much does he believe in what he's saying? He rants about jobs that were exported, but his own business is among the champions of job offshoring. He puts Mexican border hoppers in the spotlight, but his enterprise doesn't mind employing illegals. And it's not like there aren't more hypocrats in this debate, dems who who were lining up to yell about the ICE cages were largely the same folk who supported same measures just years ago under Obama. It's all a petty fight of a cluster of interconnected members of the elite, who are trying to rally up different segments of voters under some random themes they happened to find useful in their confrontation. Highly cynical, but it is what it is Once again, an intelligent and perceptive comment. I have not seen any evidence his enterprises have broken the law, by employing illegals (or undocumented workers, for the politically correct). That might be an interesting topic, for a conversation, in a separate thread. Well I am going by the reports I've seen in the news. I'm sure you're googling abilities are just as good if not better than mine, so if you'll be curious enough to research that for your own interest, you won't need my help. And to ride this thing back on topic, I am absolutely, totally sick and tired of this damn virus and the damn quarantines. Don't do this, don't do that, that's closed, that's forbidden, watch out for that, government texts warning about new laws, ministry TV ads demanding "responsibility for the society's sake", Gov Cuomo on the TV every day, etc. Etc. Etc. Somebody make the damn vaccine already!
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Post by Uncle Bob on Mar 20, 2020 18:59:55 GMT
And to ride this thing back on topic, I am absolutely, totally sick and tired of this damn virus and the damn quarantines. Don't do this, don't do that, that's closed, that's forbidden, watch out for that, government texts warning about new laws, ministry TV ads demanding "responsibility for the society's sake", Gov Cuomo on the TV every day, etc. Etc. Etc. Somebody make the damn vaccine already! Ditto. I agree 100%. How did that happen? Until things change, I am going to be socially responsible. I will comply.
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Post by katy on Mar 20, 2020 19:53:03 GMT
I think people saying they’re bored is completely fair - I’m bored out of my mind. I’m working from home every day but it’s working without the travel, without the social interaction with colleagues and without popping into town to grab some lunch. It’s boring, there’s no two ways about it. I’m home all day, the most exciting part of my day is a walk at lunchtime, not that there’s anywhere to go on the walk because all the cafes are shut, so it’s literally just to get out the house. Can’t even look forward to the weekend because there’s nothing to do then either. I completely appreciate the measures being taken are necessary and I’ll do what needs to be done to stop vulnerable people getting sick, but it is incredibly boring and will be for the coming weeks/months.
Also I’m not sure it’s true that most people can work from home. Those of us who can are lucky to be able to do so. There’s a tonne of small companies, family run business etc that simply do not have the technology for home working and/or the ability to put it into place so suddenly.
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Post by slapstick on Mar 20, 2020 20:36:54 GMT
I think people saying they’re bored is completely fair - I’m bored out of my mind. I’m working from home every day but it’s working without the travel, without the social interaction with colleagues and without popping into town to grab some lunch. It’s boring, there’s no two ways about it. I’m home all day, the most exciting part of my day is a walk at lunchtime, not that there’s anywhere to go on the walk because all the cafes are shut, so it’s literally just to get out the house. Can’t even look forward to the weekend because there’s nothing to do then either. I completely appreciate the measures being taken are necessary and I’ll do what needs to be done to stop vulnerable people getting sick, but it is incredibly boring and will be for the coming weeks/months. Also I’m not sure it’s true that most people can work from home. Those of us who can are lucky to be able to do so. There’s a tonne of small companies, family run business etc that simply do not have the technology for home working and/or the ability to put it into place so suddenly. Like I said somewhere earlier, I actually have trouble thinking of sectors that could together represent more than 30% of economy max., which can work remotely. Manufacture, hospitality, healthcare, "shop services" (hairdressers, mechanics, cosmetics), maintenance trades, logistics (transport, storage), construction, etc. are all jobs that can't be done from home. Financial sector is probably the one most independent of location, but that only employs around 4% even in a financial hub such as your country, the UK. Then there's the tech sector, which again likely doesn't cross 5% of workforce, and I guess you can throw in the entire educational service and a good portion of legal services. In this situation, though, being bored is a privilege. I know that here in an manufacture + hospitality oriented central European parts, most people are highly anxious, because the workplaces are shutting down one by one.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Mar 20, 2020 20:55:09 GMT
My workplace is extending the work from home period by another 2 weeks basically thru Easter. This is gonna be interesting. I don’t know how much longer I can stand it, honestly. In some ways it’s good for me, but in other ways it creates issues trying to do stuff from home.
Re: Trump, well on the one hand, the virus did come from China, but on the other, no one is referring to it as the “Chinese virus,” its proper name is COVID-19 or coronavirus.
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Post by katy on Mar 20, 2020 21:06:24 GMT
I think people saying they’re bored is completely fair - I’m bored out of my mind. I’m working from home every day but it’s working without the travel, without the social interaction with colleagues and without popping into town to grab some lunch. It’s boring, there’s no two ways about it. I’m home all day, the most exciting part of my day is a walk at lunchtime, not that there’s anywhere to go on the walk because all the cafes are shut, so it’s literally just to get out the house. Can’t even look forward to the weekend because there’s nothing to do then either. I completely appreciate the measures being taken are necessary and I’ll do what needs to be done to stop vulnerable people getting sick, but it is incredibly boring and will be for the coming weeks/months. Also I’m not sure it’s true that most people can work from home. Those of us who can are lucky to be able to do so. There’s a tonne of small companies, family run business etc that simply do not have the technology for home working and/or the ability to put it into place so suddenly. Like I said somewhere earlier, I actually have trouble thinking of sectors that could together represent more than 30% of economy max., which can work remotely. Manufacture, hospitality, healthcare, "shop services" (hairdressers, mechanics, cosmetics), maintenance trades, logistics (transport, storage), construction, etc. are all jobs that can't be done from home. Financial sector is probably the one most independent of location, but that only employs around 4% even in a financial hub such as your country, the UK. Then there's the tech sector, which again likely doesn't cross 5% of workforce, and I guess you can throw in the entire educational service and a good portion of legal services. In this situation, though, being bored is a privilege. I know that here in an manufacture + hospitality oriented central European parts, most people are highly anxious, because the workplaces are shutting down one by one. Yep agree. All depends on the company too. I work at a fairly large law firm so whilst we work from the office 99% of the time, we’ve been able to log in from home for quite a few years now. There’s a small law firm round the corner still hand writing their invoices who won’t be able to work from home because they just won’t have the tech to do so. Whilst it’s boring, I am thankful to be able to stay home and safe. Our government seem to be doing an awful lot to avoid redundancies which is great to see. Announced today they’ll pay 80% of peoples wages whilst they’re unable to work. Where my mum works is a little family run place which likely wouldn’t survive if forced to shut, so amazing for places like that to be able to keep their staff even if they have to close for a few months.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 2:10:33 GMT
Any way you look at it, this is economically unsustainable both here in the US and most of the world. It is staggering to think of the potential carnage to everyone’s future. And the unborn. I’m not religious but God Bless us all.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Mar 21, 2020 11:42:38 GMT
Yeah unfortunately some will be more affected in the long run by the economy than the virus itself.
In my situation, I found out last week my whole department as well as 2 others will be getting laid off at the end of April (nothing to do with the virus) so now I am concerned about how I will look for another job when most businesses are closed or at least likely not hiring new employees right now. Then the summer months are usually dead for hiring. Luckily I still live at home so I am not worrying about trying to pay bills or anything, but it’s still a really irritating situation that all this has to happen at pretty much the worst possible time. At what point is enough and enough and businesses need to start opening again so people can work?
My boyfriend found out his local laundromat will probably be closing next week for an unspecified period of time. Apparently the government thinks laundromats are not an “essential” business, therefore they are subject to close. It makes no sense to me ‘cause clearly laundromats are essential for people like my boyfriend who don’t have in-unit machines. Luckily I offered to let him use my parent’s machines at my house for the time being, ‘cause like where else is he gonna do his laundry? This situation is crazy!
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Post by slapstick on Mar 21, 2020 12:22:47 GMT
Yeah unfortunately some will be more affected in the long run by the economy than the virus itself. In my situation, I found out last week my whole department as well as 2 others will be getting laid off at the end of April (nothing to do with the virus) so now I am concerned about how I will look for another job when most businesses are closed or at least likely not hiring new employees right now. Then the summer months are usually dead for hiring. Luckily I still live at home so I am not worrying about trying to pay bills or anything, but it’s still a really irritating situation that all this has to happen at pretty much the worst possible time. At what point is enough and enough and businesses need to start opening again so people can work? My boyfriend found out his local laundromat will probably be closing next week for an unspecified period of time. Apparently the government thinks laundromats are not an “essential” business, therefore they are subject to close. It makes no sense to me ‘cause clearly laundromats are essential for people like my boyfriend who don’t have in-unit machines. Luckily I offered to let him use my parent’s machines at my house for the time being, ‘cause like where else is he gonna do his laundry? This situation is crazy! That's why there's some real concern among economists right now - more and more businesses are mandated to shut down, causing less and less consumers to have the same economic power, which in turn causes the rest of the businesses to suffer. Besides that, the closed businesses still have bills to pay, so it's running them dry now. Whatever happens with the corona outbreak, the reality is that we will need an entirely different economic system on the other side at least for some years, because the alternative is a fallen remnant of an economy that will leave tens of millions of working age people in the gutter, and consequentially a failing welfare state with increasingly bigger difficulties in financing social security. That's why so many people in politics are talking about a basic income, with world war levels of government spending.
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