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Post by Uncle Bob on Jul 31, 2015 11:23:23 GMT
I've just upgraded a laptop to Windows 10. So far I like it better than Windows 8.1. If you have reserved your copy of Windows 10 and don't want to wait for the notification to install it, you can jump to the head of the line by clicking this link. Media Creation Tool Of course, before you make any major changes to your computer, you'll want to do a backup and perhaps save an image of your hard drive in case you want to revert to your current OS. Also, if you haven't made a recovery disk for your present OS, you should do so before you do the upgrade. If you have any questions or problems, I'll be happy to help.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 14:45:02 GMT
If I use this to make an ISO, will I be able to dual boot without buying a license? I'm totally interested in Windows 10, but I'm not interested in ditching Windows 7 just yet. I'm a clean install sort of person, and to what extent Windows 10 is "free" is a bit confusing. EDIT: Never mind, it clearly states that a clean install requires a product key, unless Win10 has already been activated on your PC.
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Post by Uncle Bob on Jul 31, 2015 16:41:03 GMT
If I use this to make an ISO, will I be able to dual boot without buying a license? I'm totally interested in Windows 10, but I'm not interested in ditching Windows 7 just yet. I'm a clean install sort of person, and to what extent Windows 10 is "free" is a bit confusing. EDIT: Never mind, it clearly states that a clean install requires a product key, unless Win10 has already been activated on your PC. Tell me how big your hd is and how much of it is occupied by your W7 install. Also, whether you have an extra or external hd for backup. I can think of a couple of ways to achieve your objective but, which way to go will depend on your available resources. I'm with you on clean installs. I don't know if you remember but, we talked in another thread about how some free software had trashed one of my laptops. I had recently upgraded it from 8 to 8.1. I was forced to do a recovery install of 8. Then in order to do the free upgrade to 8.1, I had to install all the updates for 8 first. Took forever. This is the machine I upgraded to 10. Of course, I saved an image of 8.1 to a secondary partition as well as a network drive. That way, if I want to revert to 8.1, I won't have to go through all that heartache again. Anyway, the point is, now that I have W10 activated on this laptop, I am free to burn the ISO to a disk and do a clean install. I might do it for grins or I might wait and see if I have a problem with the current upgrade of an upgrade. One last thing. Built into W10, is the ability revert to the previous OS if you don't like 10. They give you 30 days to do it. You can always upgrade to 10 again at a later date.
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Post by In Wonderland on Jul 31, 2015 18:17:14 GMT
Do you have to save everything you have stored on your computer? Or will it be moved with the update and only save what you want as a backup?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 18:24:27 GMT
I can think of a couple of ways to achieve your objective but, which way to go will depend on your available resources. Actually, I think I know where you're going with this Clone my existing Win7 installation, use that to upgrade to Win10, discard, revert to my original Win7 installation, and then install Win10 separately? It's a bit of an ordeal just to check out an OS which might not do everything I need it to do, unless I'm barking up the wrong tree and you have a better idea. Disk space isn't an issue - I have a 240GB SSD as my boot drive, and 7TB of HDD space for data. I don't understand why Microsoft don't just allow people to install Windows 10 however they wish. They're already sacrificing profits by letting people upgrade to a full version for free, so why not go all out and make it FREE-free? :/
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Post by Uncle Bob on Jul 31, 2015 19:16:11 GMT
I can think of a couple of ways to achieve your objective but, which way to go will depend on your available resources. Actually, I think I know where you're going with this Clone my existing Win7 installation, use that to upgrade to Win10, discard, revert to my original Win7 installation, and then install Win10 separately? It's a bit of an ordeal just to check out an OS which might not do everything I need it to do, unless I'm barking up the wrong tree and you have a better idea. Disk space isn't an issue - I have a 240GB SSD as my boot drive, and 7TB of HDD space for data. I don't understand why Microsoft don't just allow people to install Windows 10 however they wish. They're already sacrificing profits by letting people upgrade to a full version for free, so why not go all out and make it FREE-free? :/ Close. I didn't say it would be easy. If you wanted to be able to boot both from the SSD, you could. First, I would have to assume your SSD is no more than half full. If so, save an image of it in case the following steps dork up your drive. Next, partition it down the middle. Assuming that didn't crash your W7 install, save a separate image of your now half size drive. Install the half size image on the empty half. Then, upgrade either one to 10. As long as you have an image saved of your current install, you can do anything you want. A couple of months ago I did something really stupid. I forget what. The least time consuming fix was to reimage my SSD. No problem. I can understand Microsoft's thinking in that they are willing to upgrade only those who have invested in a more modern OS and not those still running XP or Vista. Most machines running an OS older than 7 won't have the resources to run 10. Those people are going to be better off buying a new computer or installing linux. Letting people try to do the upgrade with bare minimum resources will be likely to cause more problems than it's worth. Someone gave me a older laptop that had been upgraded to 7 and had only the minimum recommended single core processor speed and 2 gig ddr memory. Performance was just terrible. I put linux mint 16 on it and it ran like a champ. The guy I gave it to is still perfectly happy with it. All he wanted was to be able to surf the net and do his email.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 19:30:54 GMT
Close. I didn't say it would be easy. If you wanted to be able to boot both from the SSD, you could. First, I would have to assume your SSD is no more than half full. If so, save an image of it in case the following steps dork up your drive. Next, partition it down the middle. Assuming that didn't crash your W7 install, save a separate image of your now half size drive. Install the half size image on the empty half. Then, upgrade either one to 10. As long as you have an image saved of your current install, you can do anything you want. A couple of months ago I did something really stupid. I forget what. The least time consuming fix was to reimage my SSD. No problem. I can understand Microsoft's thinking in that they are willing to upgrade only those who have invested in a more modern OS and not those still running XP or Vista. Most machines running an OS older than 7 won't have the resources to run 10. Those people are going to be better off buying a new computer or installing linux. Letting people try to do the upgrade with bare minimum resources will be likely to cause more problems than it's worth. Someone gave me a older laptop that had been upgraded to 7 and had only the minimum recommended single core processor speed and 2 gig ddr memory. Performance was just terrible. I put linux mint 16 on it and it ran like a champ. The guy I gave it to is still perfectly happy with it. All he wanted was to be able to surf the net and do his email. But aren't people with pirated copies of Win7/8/8.1 eligible for the free upgrade? It was one of those things I read about Win10 which was more memorable than any of the hoopla about Cortana, MS Edge and DirectX 12. Anyway, I'll go with your imaging idea when I have an afternoon with nothing else to do. Thanks for the advice
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Post by sam on Aug 1, 2015 11:47:03 GMT
I'm thinking of switching
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Post by sam on Aug 1, 2015 13:15:58 GMT
Do you have to save everything you have stored on your computer? Or will it be moved with the update and only save what you want as a backup? When you install you can choose to keep everything or just your files (stuff like pictures and documents) or to start afresh
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Post by BogoGog24 on Aug 1, 2015 13:53:18 GMT
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Post by sam on Aug 1, 2015 14:13:33 GMT
While unfortunate that happens with pretty much everything, including Mac users
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 14:47:38 GMT
Yes, beware of scams. Whether this demonstrates that Macs are better than PCs is very debatable. Personally, I prefer all the freedom and flexibility that my custom-built gaming PC gives me. I could even use OSX if I wanted to.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Aug 1, 2015 14:52:57 GMT
I've personally just never liked Windows. I'm forced to use it at work and I despise it. It's good for practical applications like Microsoft Word, PowerPoint (though PowerPoint is so cheap looking) and Excel, but Mac is far better for creative applications such as GarageBand for music, iMovie for videos, and Keynote for visual presentations. I use the creative applications far more than the practical so Mac works better for me. It's also a lot less prone to viruses, even if it's not completely immune, I think it occurs a lot less with Mac than with Windows. I also just prefer the overall look of Macs, they are sleek and modern looking. Dells and other laptops look clunky and ugly. I guess it just depends what you need, if you typically work with practical apps like Word and Excel, Windows would suit your needs, but creative apps are far better on Macs and that's mainly what I use computers for.
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Post by Uncle Bob on Aug 1, 2015 16:02:54 GMT
I've personally just never liked Windows. I'm forced to use it at work and I despise it. It's good for practical applications like Microsoft Word, PowerPoint (though PowerPoint is so cheap looking) and Excel, but Mac is far better for creative applications such as GarageBand for music, iMovie for videos, and Keynote for visual presentations. I use the creative applications far more than the practical so Mac works better for me. It's also a lot less prone to viruses, even if it's not completely immune, I think it occurs a lot less with Mac than with Windows. I also just prefer the overall look of Macs, they are sleek and modern looking. Dells and other laptops look clunky and ugly. I guess it just depends what you need, if you typically work with practical apps like Word and Excel, Windows would suit your needs, but creative apps are far better on Macs and that's mainly what I use computers for. I can totally identify. I feel the same way about Mac. Not that I have any criticism of the OS or apps. It's just that I've been a Windows guy since it first came into being. When I was in the networking business, I was forced to become familiar enough with early Macs to get them networked. The learning curve was high because this was in the days just prior to "plug and play". Configuration files, batch files and startup scripts had to be manually edited in a dos or some other text only terminal environment. In my early days in the business, it was clear that Mac was the way to go for anything to do with graphics. Now, the gap has narrowed. Those that started out with Mac still prefer it and the same holds true for Windows users. Though now, anyone with an iphone is using some kind of version of a Mac OS. So, it isn't as foreign as it used to be. Or, so they tell me. Fortunately, I haven't had to touch a Mac for about 20 years.
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Post by sam on Aug 3, 2015 0:01:35 GMT
Welp I've upgraded and I like it a lot, trying out Edge too. I won't miss Windows 8
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