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Post by oneofthoseguys on Oct 13, 2022 10:55:16 GMT
The whole Avril Lavigne era was a disgrace: the album, the interviews, the tour. I'd definetly make some significant changes on Goodbye Lullaby and Head Above Water too. These two albums have an amazing part and the other one seems unfinished and completed with "filler" tracks. I'd turn the 2nd part of GL and the 4 tracks of HAW into an EP. By the way that would be a great "album". Disgrace?How exactly? The album production is pretty weak. The lyrics are very childish. I'd only save "Give You What You Like". Her vocals are edited with the Chipmunk effect on the majority of the songs. All the interviews in this era were focused on her wedding ring, marriage and Hello Kitty. The tour was a complete mess in therms of setlist, outfits and effects. There was also the terrible music video for Hello Kitty that went viral worldwide (not for a good reason) and the shameful images of her M&G in Brazil.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 11:03:00 GMT
The album production is pretty weak. The lyrics are very childish. I'd only save "Give You What You Like". Her vocals are edited with the Chipmunk effect on the majority of the songs. All the interviews in this era were focused on her wedding ring, marriage and Hello Kitty. The tour was a complete mess in therms of setlist, outfits and effects. There was also the terrible music video for Hello Kitty that went viral worldwide (not for a good reason) and the shameful images of her M&G in Brazil. She called out the producer for the album production.The album is still very good overall.I don't mind the interviews.I personally really liked the tour and the set list and she sounded amazing LIVE as she always does.I only agree with the Hello Kitty thing but the backlash was unfair and a bit too much.Now in retrospect,a lot of people have agreed,it was for her Japanese audience.I think her intentions were good and the Japanese people liked it.The backlash was unfair.We all know she's massive not just in Japan but all across Asia.The meet and greet...yes terrible but then I heard it was to do with security issues(she does have a history in Brazil) and plus her health issues with Lyme Disease.Obviously,in the internet age,we cannot stop things from trending on social media and it was an unfortunate incident,but its nice to know nothing like that has happened since,and her meet and greets were very good even before 2014(and after that too).She's not done too much wrong.She got hate for marrying Chad Kroeger,which again,was unfair,even though I HATE Nickelback myself.I don't think most of the criticism was right.She's always been a great person to her fans and in general and we see that even today,post 2014.
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Post by oneofthoseguys on Oct 13, 2022 11:11:53 GMT
The album production is pretty weak. The lyrics are very childish. I'd only save "Give You What You Like". Her vocals are edited with the Chipmunk effect on the majority of the songs. All the interviews in this era were focused on her wedding ring, marriage and Hello Kitty. The tour was a complete mess in therms of setlist, outfits and effects. There was also the terrible music video for Hello Kitty that went viral worldwide (not for a good reason) and the shameful images of her M&G in Brazil. She called out the producer for the album production.The album is still very good overall.I don't mind the interviews.I personally really liked the tour and the set list and she sounded amazing LIVE as she always does.I only agree with the Hello Kitty thing but the backlash was unfair and a bit too much.Now in retrospect,a lot of people have agreed,it was for her Japanese audience.I think her intentions were good and the Japanese people liked it.The backlash was unfair.We all know she's massive not just in Japan but all across Asia.The meet and greet...yes terrible but then I heard it was to do with security issues(she does have a history in Brazil) and plus her health issues with Lyme Disease.Obviously,in the internet age,we cannot stop things from trending on social media and it was an unfortunate incident,but its nice to know nothing like that has happened since,and her meet and greets were very good even before 2014(and after that too).She's not done too much wrong.She got hate for marrying Chad Kroeger,which again,was unfair,even though I HATE Nickelback myself.I don't think most of the criticism was right.She's always been a great person to her fans and in general and we see that even today,post 2014. Well, all those stuff happened during the ERA. and I don't like the album, so I'd 100% erase AL era. btw the M&G had nothing to do with her health issues and she was asked about this M&G recently. Look for the video. She didn't even have a proper response for this episode. g1.globo.com/pop-arte/musica/rock-in-rio/2022/noticia/2022/02/24/avril-lavigne-diz-que-ficou-em-extase-ao-ver-que-adolescentes-voltaram-a-ouvir-emo-e-pop-punk.ghtml
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 11:48:23 GMT
She called out the producer for the album production.The album is still very good overall.I don't mind the interviews.I personally really liked the tour and the set list and she sounded amazing LIVE as she always does.I only agree with the Hello Kitty thing but the backlash was unfair and a bit too much.Now in retrospect,a lot of people have agreed,it was for her Japanese audience.I think her intentions were good and the Japanese people liked it.The backlash was unfair.We all know she's massive not just in Japan but all across Asia.The meet and greet...yes terrible but then I heard it was to do with security issues(she does have a history in Brazil) and plus her health issues with Lyme Disease.Obviously,in the internet age,we cannot stop things from trending on social media and it was an unfortunate incident,but its nice to know nothing like that has happened since,and her meet and greets were very good even before 2014(and after that too).She's not done too much wrong.She got hate for marrying Chad Kroeger,which again,was unfair,even though I HATE Nickelback myself.I don't think most of the criticism was right.She's always been a great person to her fans and in general and we see that even today,post 2014. Well, all those stuff happened during the ERA. and I don't like the album, so I'd 100% erase AL era. btw the M&G had nothing to do with her health issues and she was asked about this M&G recently. Look for the video. She didn't even have a proper response for this episode. g1.globo.com/pop-arte/musica/rock-in-rio/2022/noticia/2022/02/24/avril-lavigne-diz-que-ficou-em-extase-ao-ver-que-adolescentes-voltaram-a-ouvir-emo-e-pop-punk.ghtmlEnglish translation?? In 2014,she said she was involved in incidents she was not supposed to be involved in.That was her response(probably hinting at security issues).I personally love the album/era.Photoshoots were amazing too.Agree to disagree I guess.
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Post by Gab on Oct 13, 2022 12:50:58 GMT
I would erase the TBDT era for sure. It worked once, but it was the beginning of the end of her credibility as an artist, the beginning of the bratty image and songs that they tried to replicate everytime seeking the success of Girlfriend, instead of picking singles that represented the following albums and were more mature. It was a successful era but it damaged her in the long run.
Edit: oh let's not forget that it was also the era in which her voice started to get pitched
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Post by Jinkxx on Oct 13, 2022 12:55:36 GMT
I would erase the TBDT era for sure. It worked once, but it was the beginning of the end of her credibility as an artist, the beginning of the bratty image and songs that they tried to replicate everytime seeking the success of Girlfriend, instead of picking singles that represented the following albums and were more mature. It was a successful era but it damaged her in the long run. I must say this is an interesting opinion and I think I agree. It made people think of Avril like that, like she could never be 'something different'. It is her most memorable era tho but it's also why people always told me from 2011-onwards: 'She isn't making music anymore, is she?'. And indeed, WTH, Smile, HTNGU are all somehow chosen to be singles as some sort of post-TBDT vibe but that wasn't working.
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Post by DC Lascelle on Oct 13, 2022 14:35:13 GMT
I would erase the TBDT era for sure. It worked once, but it was the beginning of the end of her credibility as an artist, the beginning of the bratty image and songs that they tried to replicate everytime seeking the success of Girlfriend, instead of picking singles that represented the following albums and were more mature. It was a successful era but it damaged her in the long run. Edit: oh let's not forget that it was also the era in which her voice started to get pitched And this is exactly my concern about the current Love Sux era. The maturity level from HAW to LS was like going backwards from working full-time while going to college and living in your own apartment back to living in your parents house while going to high school and jamming on the weekends with friends.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 18:00:21 GMT
I would erase the TBDT era for sure. It worked once, but it was the beginning of the end of her credibility as an artist, the beginning of the bratty image and songs that they tried to replicate everytime seeking the success of Girlfriend, instead of picking singles that represented the following albums and were more mature. It was a successful era but it damaged her in the long run. Edit: oh let's not forget that it was also the era in which her voice started to get pitched Disagree.She actually wasn't ever taken seriously until Love Sux,really.She was always a 'Punk Poser',especially during The Best Damn Thing era but even during the Let Go era,people said she would be a one hit wonder and an Anti Britney,Pick Me Girl.Under My Skin was actually criticized for being a boring album.During the Goodbye Lullaby,Avril Lavigne and Head Above Water era,she was called a "has been" artist or a "relic of the past." But during this current Love Sux era,she's been praised by both artists and fans alike.Billie Eilish,Olivia Rodrigo,Willow Smith,Maggie Lindemann,Taylor Swift,Ed Sheeran,Paramore and so many others have praised her or talked about her in the last 1 year or 1.5 years alone.Nicki Minaj,Blink 182,All Time Low,John Feldmann,Machine Gun Kelly and ModSun have worked,collaborated with and praised her in the last 1.5 years too.She's being celebrated,getting award nominations,getting praised everywhere and by everyone,including music critics...THIS IS AVRIL LAVIGNE'S ERA! Her Tour is also getting both fan and critically acclaimed...and selling really well too.She's performed to massive crowds at festivals all over the World.People are expressing their desire to work with her and those who already do,are saying she's a great and very humble person.And yes,her meeting the fans and other celebrities and supporting them has been pretty mainstream too.
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Post by biggerwow on Oct 13, 2022 21:53:37 GMT
I don't think that has at all to do with Love Sux. It's just 20 years later and 2000s nostalgia is finally in. Maybe it does work for fans since she's finally "Avril Lavigne" again. Doing music that most of her fans are into (rock/live instruments) and not a whole bunch of experimental music that she never seemed to really try to do well (imo). But I really doubt everyone is going her props for LS. It's LG they are giving her due for.
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Post by DC Lascelle on Oct 13, 2022 22:04:46 GMT
I don't think that has at all to do with Love Sux. It's just 20 years later and 2000s nostalgia is finally in. Maybe it does work for fans since she's finally "Avril Lavigne" again. Doing music that most of her fans are into (rock/live instruments) and not a whole bunch of experimental music that she never seemed to really try to do well (imo). But I really doubt everyone is going her props for LS. It's LG they are giving her due for. !00% this. Love Sux did get some of the best music mag reviews of her career to be sure but as I've said previously it's because Avril aimed for the floor and she hit it. She wasn't shooting for the ceiling. In sports like diving or figure skating the scores are skewed based on how hard the moves you perform in your program are. You can do a flawless program but if all your moves are basic ones you're going to score less overall than someone who attempts harder ones. Love Sux is a very basic album and she did a great job with that but it's not nearly as uh, complicated or mature as albums she was making 20 years ago. It's so insubstantial (Avalanche and one or two other songs aside perhaps) that you can knock it over with a feather. My concern is the she had so much fun making it she's never going to try and stretch herself again creatively. 'Good enough' will become Avril's new 'good' and she is better than that as an artist. Or she used to be.
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Post by Falling Into History on Oct 20, 2022 3:09:49 GMT
I wouldn't necessarily erase any eras because there are a lot of fantastic memories in each one for me. Plus as TomX stated, Avril really seemed to have learned a lot from her mistakes and misses.
If I could, I'd probably encourage Avril to create Single Titled as a cohesive album instead of slapping songs on there and calling it a day. However, I understand where Avril was coming from. She was hoping for a lot of freedom but it did not pan out that way, and she was probably tired of fighting - especially after doing the same thing for GL. With GL and HAW, I wish Avril focused more on production but at the same time, I love that she had creative freedom. With TBDT, I think it's a pretty solid album, but the representation turned people off. I always try to tell people "Listen to TBDT without having the representation in mind. If you really listen, this is one of her most Pop-Rock/Pop-Punk albums." It doesn't work but at least people have that in the back of their minds.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2022 7:52:20 GMT
I wouldn't necessarily erase any eras because there are a lot of fantastic memories in each one for me. Plus as TomX stated, Avril really seemed to have learned a lot from her mistakes and misses. If I could, I'd probably encourage Avril to create Single Titled as a cohesive album instead of slapping songs on there and calling it a day. However, I understand where Avril was coming from. She was hoping for a lot of freedom but it did not pan out that way, and she was probably tired of fighting - especially after doing the same thing for GL. With GL and HAW, I wish Avril focused more on production but at the same time, I love that she had creative freedom. With TBDT, I think it's a pretty solid album, but the representation turned people off. I always try to tell people "Listen to TBDT without having the representation in mind. If you really listen, this is one of her most Pop-Rock/Pop-Punk albums." It doesn't work but at least people have that in the back of their minds. She didn't have much creative freedom during the Goodbye Lullaby and Avril Lavigne(album).As far as The Best Damn Thing goes,the album has got a lot of love in recent years.Its more loved than hated now from what I've observed.
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Post by DC Lascelle on Oct 20, 2022 10:49:12 GMT
It's been a few days since I checked the vote count in here and people are still having their say on this topic. I try to like all responses as a Thank You for letting us all know what you think (whether I agree with them or not!)
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Post by messyboi on Nov 6, 2022 6:16:33 GMT
I voted for Keep them all. Although her self titled era was my least favourite and cringy in so many ways, I think it was a necessary era in terms of trial and error. It was a people pleaser album, which is very Un-Avril so I think in some ways it helped her grow.
I do think we got some classics with it, though: 17 and Hush Hush need more recognition.
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Post by messyboi on Nov 6, 2022 6:26:14 GMT
I'm so glad that people continue to vote and contribute to this thread. Thanks everyone! I still think 'Keep Them All' is a valid choice if you truly believe that every single album/era has been absolutely essential to moving Avril's career forward in some way and not just kept her treading water so to speak. If anything, after a strong start Avril did flounder a bit in the middle artistically but seems to be on more solid footing now. I think the issue (for me) is whether Avril can get any momentum and have AL8 be an EVOLUTION of LS and not a repetition. If that happens I'll reconsider making Love Sux the album I'd erase from the timeline! I'm still undecided if it will ultimately be good or not for her creatively. Name one song from LS people are going to remember in five years? In ten? In twenty? I’m excited to see how LS will evolve over the years. I’ll be honest, Goodbye Lullaby is my favourite album in terms of the fact that I love its aesthetics and I think it has some of her most sincere songs on it, but I think Love Sux is her most cohesive album since TBDT. Love Sux is a close second contender for being one of my favourites solely on the fact that, as a whole, it feels like the most genuine “Avril” album we’ve gotten in decades. It reminds me of her first three albums in that none of the songs are forced or out of place. Well, DTLM is arguably out of place, but not to the same extent as some of her earlier tracklists. I’m also curious to know how Love Sux’s longevity will develop based on that fact of it being a 20th anniversary “homage” album. From start to finish, it’s the pop punk album Avril’s always wanted to do, and I think it’s a great salute to Let Go in the sense that even though Let Go was a bit more poppy, it opened the door for many to start exploring emo / alternative / pop punk music. And I think Avril has contributed a lot, directly and indirectly, to making that genre so popular.
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