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Post by messyboi on Nov 6, 2022 2:23:24 GMT
Ok, but my question was: At what point do these conversations stop being about the music and the art and more about the character? My opinion is that pointing on a person’s strengths and weaknesses is tacky and somewhat irrelevant to the art itself. So I don’t think that’s breaking any guidelines or rules on the site, it’s just stating something. My opinion also is that I’m part of a community that wants to discuss the music of Avril Lavigne, and so if we could focus more on those strengths and weaknesses, it would be a more engaging environment. What I’m hearing from you is, that your opinion is we should have free reign to talk anything we want so long as we’re not using negative adjectives to describe Avril Lavigne. That’s basically what a forum is for. We DO have free reign to discuss what we want here as long as it’s not in violation of our community guidelines. To only keep conversation within Avril’s music would be extremely limiting and relatively impossible. She is a public figure with a good amount of personal information known about her that she herself has chosen to share. Her personality is a natural extension of her musical persona and it’s entirely natural it will come up in conversation. We have numerous discussions talking about the most mundane of shit like her freaking hair. To me the topics that would be off limits are things that overly personal like her sex life, speculation on her health or disorders/conditions she hasn’t discussed or confirmed to have, hatred towards her family/friends/significant others, and similar. I read back through the responses in this thread and outside of maybe a couple people calling her lazy, most of the things were entirely fair and inoffensive critiques such as improving her communication with fans, improving her musical skills, making better set lists, etc. These are all things that directly relate to her music and career so I’m not sure what your complaint is. Frankly I just find it actually a little arrogant to come onto a forum and just start to immediately criticize the people here and the way we do things when you haven’t previously immersed yourself into the community. It’s like being the new guy on a new job and immediately criticizing the company’s policies they’ve been doing for years well before you ever joined. I get that you were a member of the previous site, but as far as this site is concerned, you’re a new member and most people here weren’t part of the old site and probably don’t know you. I just don’t think it’s fair at all to basically come onto a website and start immediately criticizing stuff when we’ve been doing it this way long before you ever joined. I don’t know what else to tell you but this is how it is here and we aren’t planning on changing it. So are you saying that because I’ve recently created an account, I shouldn’t be encouraged to express my views and opinions? How long am I supposed to be on here before I start expressing my views and opinions? I find it a bit arrogant that just because I created a new account yesterday, but haven’t really been absent in observing this community, that I’m not allowed to express my views on a commonality: Avril Lavigne.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 6, 2022 2:24:02 GMT
P.S. if you only want to talk about music, you’re free to make any thread about any musical topic you want. If a thread about her strengths and weaknesses doesn’t interest you, you don’t have to participate in it. That doesn’t mean other people can’t.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 6, 2022 2:24:45 GMT
That’s basically what a forum is for. We DO have free reign to discuss what we want here as long as it’s not in violation of our community guidelines. To only keep conversation within Avril’s music would be extremely limiting and relatively impossible. She is a public figure with a good amount of personal information known about her that she herself has chosen to share. Her personality is a natural extension of her musical persona and it’s entirely natural it will come up in conversation. We have numerous discussions talking about the most mundane of shit like her freaking hair. To me the topics that would be off limits are things that overly personal like her sex life, speculation on her health or disorders/conditions she hasn’t discussed or confirmed to have, hatred towards her family/friends/significant others, and similar. I read back through the responses in this thread and outside of maybe a couple people calling her lazy, most of the things were entirely fair and inoffensive critiques such as improving her communication with fans, improving her musical skills, making better set lists, etc. These are all things that directly relate to her music and career so I’m not sure what your complaint is. Frankly I just find it actually a little arrogant to come onto a forum and just start to immediately criticize the people here and the way we do things when you haven’t previously immersed yourself into the community. It’s like being the new guy on a new job and immediately criticizing the company’s policies they’ve been doing for years well before you ever joined. I get that you were a member of the previous site, but as far as this site is concerned, you’re a new member and most people here weren’t part of the old site and probably don’t know you. I just don’t think it’s fair at all to basically come onto a website and start immediately criticizing stuff when we’ve been doing it this way long before you ever joined. I don’t know what else to tell you but this is how it is here and we aren’t planning on changing it. So are you saying that because I’ve recently created an account, I shouldn’t be encouraged to express my views and opinions? How long am I supposed to be on here before I start expressing my views and opinions? I find it a bit arrogant that just because I created a new account yesterday, but haven’t really been absent in observing this community, that I’m not allowed to express my views on a commonality: Avril Lavigne. You know full well that’s not what I said at all but way to twist my words.
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Post by messyboi on Nov 6, 2022 2:34:14 GMT
So are you saying that because I’ve recently created an account, I shouldn’t be encouraged to express my views and opinions? How long am I supposed to be on here before I start expressing my views and opinions? I find it a bit arrogant that just because I created a new account yesterday, but haven’t really been absent in observing this community, that I’m not allowed to express my views on a commonality: Avril Lavigne. You know full well that’s not what I said at all but way to twist my words. I guess at the end of the day, I’ve just been trying to figure out why this site isn’t all that exciting anymore. And I’ve been officially back in a communicative sense for less than 42 hours and it’s threads like these that remind me why I left in the first place. But this is already taking up way too much of my time and energy, So I will probably go back into the shadows of this forum and focus on what I deem constructive conversations.
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Post by messyboi on Nov 6, 2022 2:40:14 GMT
Ok, but my question was: At what point do these conversations stop being about the music and the art and more about the character? My opinion is that pointing on a person’s strengths and weaknesses is tacky and somewhat irrelevant to the art itself. So I don’t think that’s breaking any guidelines or rules on the site, it’s just stating something. My opinion also is that I’m part of a community that wants to discuss the music of Avril Lavigne, and so if we could focus more on those strengths and weaknesses, it would be a more engaging environment. What I’m hearing from you is, that your opinion is we should have free reign to talk anything we want so long as we’re not using negative adjectives to describe Avril Lavigne. That’s basically what a forum is for. We DO have free reign to discuss what we want here as long as it’s not in violation of our community guidelines. To only keep conversation within Avril’s music would be extremely limiting and relatively impossible. She is a public figure with a good amount of personal information known about her that she herself has chosen to share. Her personality is a natural extension of her musical persona and it’s entirely natural it will come up in conversation. We have numerous discussions talking about the most mundane of shit like her freaking hair. To me the topics that would be off limits are things that overly personal like her sex life, speculation on her health or disorders/conditions she hasn’t discussed or confirmed to have, hatred towards her family/friends/significant others, and similar. I read back through the responses in this thread and outside of maybe a couple people calling her lazy, most of the things were entirely fair and inoffensive critiques such as improving her communication with fans, improving her musical skills, making better set lists, etc. These are all things that directly relate to her music and career so I’m not sure what your complaint is. Frankly I just find it actually a little arrogant to come onto a forum and just start to immediately criticize the people here and the way we do things when you haven’t previously immersed yourself into the community. It’s like being the new guy on a new job and immediately criticizing the company’s policies they’ve been doing for years well before you ever joined. I get that you were a member of the previous site, but as far as this site is concerned, you’re a new member and most people here weren’t part of the old site and probably don’t know you. I just don’t think it’s fair at all to basically come onto a website and start immediately criticizing stuff when we’ve been doing it this way long before you ever joined. I don’t know what else to tell you but this is how it is here and we aren’t planning on changing it. Those guidelines about what is unacceptable makes sense, but as an administrator, is this more of a dictatorship or is it coming from genuine spot? It really is a good question to ask yourself: if this thread were about the strengths and weaknesses of any random bandaider, would that be deemed acceptable or not?
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 6, 2022 2:42:55 GMT
You know full well that’s not what I said at all but way to twist my words. I guess at the end of the day, I’ve just been trying to figure out why this site isn’t all that exciting anymore. And I’ve been officially back in a communicative sense for less than 42 hours and it’s threads like these that remind me why I left in the first place. But this is already taking up way too much of my time and energy, So I will probably go back into the shadows of this forum and focus on what I deem constructive conversations. Dude, we literally have dozens of threads talking about nothing but her music. We have threads on her latest work in addition to threads for each of her previous albums. There is plenty of stuff here that meets your “standards.” I’m still not sure what your issue is just because there might be some stuff you don’t care to discuss. I don’t personally care to talk about Avril’s hair for 10 pages, but I’m not going to tell others they can’t or say it’s not “constructive.” You’re free to discuss what you want and so are others. This attitude of “I don’t like this so I think it shouldn’t be discussed” is what I’m calling arrogant and it won’t endear you to anyone here by acting like you’re above it all or something because you don’t “deem” something worthy of discussion. You’re free to make your own threads if you don’t find anything here worthy of your time. Hell, you’re even free to start your own forum.
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Post by DC Lascelle on Nov 6, 2022 2:43:16 GMT
Somebody wants to speak with the manager . . .
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Post by BogoGog24 on Nov 6, 2022 2:47:54 GMT
That’s basically what a forum is for. We DO have free reign to discuss what we want here as long as it’s not in violation of our community guidelines. To only keep conversation within Avril’s music would be extremely limiting and relatively impossible. She is a public figure with a good amount of personal information known about her that she herself has chosen to share. Her personality is a natural extension of her musical persona and it’s entirely natural it will come up in conversation. We have numerous discussions talking about the most mundane of shit like her freaking hair. To me the topics that would be off limits are things that overly personal like her sex life, speculation on her health or disorders/conditions she hasn’t discussed or confirmed to have, hatred towards her family/friends/significant others, and similar. I read back through the responses in this thread and outside of maybe a couple people calling her lazy, most of the things were entirely fair and inoffensive critiques such as improving her communication with fans, improving her musical skills, making better set lists, etc. These are all things that directly relate to her music and career so I’m not sure what your complaint is. Frankly I just find it actually a little arrogant to come onto a forum and just start to immediately criticize the people here and the way we do things when you haven’t previously immersed yourself into the community. It’s like being the new guy on a new job and immediately criticizing the company’s policies they’ve been doing for years well before you ever joined. I get that you were a member of the previous site, but as far as this site is concerned, you’re a new member and most people here weren’t part of the old site and probably don’t know you. I just don’t think it’s fair at all to basically come onto a website and start immediately criticizing stuff when we’ve been doing it this way long before you ever joined. I don’t know what else to tell you but this is how it is here and we aren’t planning on changing it. Those guidelines about what is unacceptable makes sense, but as an administrator, is this more of a dictatorship or is it coming from genuine spot? It really is a good question to ask yourself: if this thread were about the strengths and weaknesses of any random bandaider, would that be deemed acceptable or not? Oh good lord. You can’t seriously be placing a random person on the same level as a celebrity who’s actively chosen to enter the public arena. Im not saying because celebrities choose that life/career that it means they’re a free target for all kinds of ridicule but if Avril crumbles at the idea of a handful of fans saying she needs to improve some stuff on her career, she wouldn’t have lasted 20 years in the cutthroat business that is the music industry. I did not invent the rules if that’s what you’re implying. I did not start this forum. The ones who did took the rules from the previous site. I suggest you look at them because there’s literally nothing unreasonable about them and they’re perfectly fair to both Avril and the members. I suggest if you have further criticisms to make or questions that you privately message me or one of the other staff because this is now going severely off the thread topic.
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Post by messyboi on Nov 6, 2022 3:01:31 GMT
Somebody wants to speak with the manager . . . Well I'll let this just speak for itself. In lieu of contributing constructively to this thread, I'll bring it back on topic. Strengths: She knows how to make kick ass bridges. Weaknesses: She doesn't release enough acoustic tracks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2022 10:37:57 GMT
I don't think playing instruments is a problem for her.I believe she's good at almost all instruments she plays,except for,in my opinion,drumming.She's just a decent/average drummer,not bad,just mediocre. And she learned to play the rhythm guitar while she was recovering from Lyme Disease.I think she did mention it a few years ago.I'm happy she did that.
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Post by StrongSweet on Nov 6, 2022 11:03:43 GMT
I'm just scrolling through because the resurface of this thread.
On about criticism out of music realm, they were answered pretty clear. Any negative literal reaction that does not contribute to music busincess and enter to choices of personal life could be sent to challenge of cancellation and warnings. I agree that criticism can go extremly hurtful when they are on the internet but honestly the staffs can hardly duck-tap their mouth and shut their mind when this forum is free and run voluntarily. Also, art and personality are closely related. This individuality is what turns the music into something special as every artist interpret differently. Undoubtedly, there will be comments on her works and persona all along as well if she is not an faceless artist. This has been happening since she was called "Poser". Perhaps, messyboi can keep being active to join discussion and concentratively bring in music-related materials would wash away them.
Strength: Able to come up universal songs topic wise.
Weaknesses: Weak in enhancing her own songs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2022 14:39:41 GMT
Strength:Voice,fashion sense and charisma. Weakness:Songwriting.
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Post by herfeelingsshehides on Dec 26, 2022 20:41:04 GMT
I feel a bit uncomfortable discussing things about her personality because I don’t actually know her, so I’ll stick to musical strengths and weaknesses.
Strength: Her voice! I’ve always loved how distinctive it is, and she’s become a stronger singer since her early years. Weakness: Her songwriting seems…inconsistent, I guess. Sometimes she comes out with beautiful, powerful work (like Avalanche or the ballads on HAW), but other times her lyrics can sound clunky or too immature for someone in their 30s (Hello Kitty is a perfect example).
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Post by aprilvineyard on Mar 10, 2023 22:04:02 GMT
Strength: strong personality, unique individual, sense of style, beauty, and not going crazy with plastic surgery like almost every other celebrity
Weakness: live vocals much of the time, lyrics, and single choices, fan communication
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Post by katy on Mar 10, 2023 22:11:47 GMT
Strength: vocals (when she wants to!) and comfortable in her image
Weakness: marketing, stubbornness and not listening to fans
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