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Post by slapstick on Dec 23, 2018 21:53:04 GMT
Interesting post but it doesn't make any sense. Not to me anyway. Why won't they play it? In the wake of #MeToo, the lyrics really don't age well. Especially lines like "What's in this drink?" imply date rape. I think people are being maybe a bit overly "woke", given that the song was written in 1944, it was a different time then and social context is important with these things. I don't think a nationwide ban was necessary but I understand why some find the lyrics to be offensive in this day and age. The woman clearly wants to leave and the guy is pressuring her to stay. In the social climate we're in right now, it's probably not the best song to play. Last night I blacked out I think - what did you, what did you put in my drink!? It ain't easy being a moderate these days. Parts of the lyrics do imply questionable actions by the originally 'male side' of the song, so discussion about it is welcomed, but hysteria is, in my opinion, not. We have tons and tons of artistic material being circulated that can be considered morally and socially dated, which isn't surprising, given that opinions on many things change sometimes in less than a decade, but that doesn't mean it is also 'fully endorsed' - its either we continue using most of the legacy from the past, while keeping a tab in our minds that some things done then aren't actually acceptable, or we enact some authoritarian moral policing, where we end up in a censored and sheltered society, which would be a breeding ground for an increasingly overzealous supervision. To knit in a bit of Avril into the discussion - I found the verse cited at the beginning a bit awkward when the song was released, because her music is aimed at younger cohorts who are the most likely to experience sexual assaults via roofies. It's a silly verse, it is also funny in a way, maybe in a slightly dark-humourish way, but it is also probably an uncomfortable line for the victims, I presume.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 23, 2018 22:12:15 GMT
Yeah I’ve always hated that lyric in Smile and I am kind of surprised she put it in, especially making a joke about something that has happened to many people in real life. It’s not one of Avril’s finer moments. And in 2011, there was really no excuse for putting that in there.
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Post by ShiningStar_x on Dec 24, 2018 6:32:42 GMT
I feel hatred toward Isis What they did to those poor poor backpackers makes me so sad that lovely girl got beheaded for absolutely no reason. They are Evil Monsters why can't someone just exterminate them from the human race On a happier note MERRY CHRISTMAS EVE
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Post by goodbye on Dec 24, 2018 9:18:55 GMT
Yeah I’ve always hated that lyric in Smile and I am kind of surprised she put it in, especially making a joke about something that has happened to many people in real life. It’s not one of Avril’s finer moments. And in 2011, there was really no excuse for putting that in there. I never thought about that thing when I hear Smile. OMG! Now this song changed for me.
OT I don't feel good too not because it's Christmas because I red some really mean comments about Rihanna on a music forum. Just because you don't like an album it doesn't mean you can be mean to them. Sometimes I know why the black community makes statements in thier songs. This world is really goin' down now. I red some terrible news yesterday. The rings of Saturn will disappear and mens will be gone in 5 - 6 Million years. That's not good. Imagine you are the last male on the earth.
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Post by ben545 on Dec 25, 2018 16:25:02 GMT
Avril isn't much of a feminist. She's a girly girl IMO. She needs a dominant man in very much the traditional way relationships work. Her dubious choice of lyrics reflect some kind of "rock chick" approach to life. In the real world, cajoling a girl to get her into bed happens all the time. Common sense dictates whether or not it impinges a person's rights. No means no, everyone knows that. Banning the song is just reactionary and unfounded in my opinion. The work of disillusioned feminists, the reason they're disillusioned is because there's a minority of assholes like Harvey Weinstein around unfortunately, so we are all punished.
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Post by BogoGog24 on Dec 26, 2018 1:33:04 GMT
None of that has anything to do with whether or not Avril herself is a feminist. Being a girly girl and liking a traditional relationship doesn’t mean she’s not a feminist. Feminism simply means believing women should be equal to men and have the same rights and opportunities. All of which are things Avril has stood for since the very beginning of her career.
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Post by ben545 on Dec 26, 2018 11:52:47 GMT
None of that has anything to do with whether or not Avril herself is a feminist. Being a girly girl and liking a traditional relationship doesn’t mean she’s not a feminist. Feminism simply means believing women should be equal to men and have the same rights and opportunities. All of which are things Avril has stood for since the very beginning of her career. I disagree, spiking someone's drink is quite obviously out of order so Avril included it in her lyrics in two of her songs to be edgy. This has understandably been interpreted by some feminists as suggesting violating a woman's rights is acceptable when it isn't, no matter how much a woman has had to drink. Therefore Avril is not much of a feminist in my opinion.
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Post by slapstick on Dec 26, 2018 18:55:14 GMT
There's this little toy christmas tree that we had a long time ago I remember, it had the ability to play simple songs, very cute. Anyway, one of them, the "Merry Christmas" carol was a bit corrupted, it had an odd pause and a wrong note located at a certain part of the melody, at the " we wish-" verse. Because of this, we loved to play it over and over again, it was just off enough to be amusing to us, and as a consequence, and as a long-lasting legacy, this silly tree corrupted us too - many many years after it fell silent we continue to sing/hum that particular song with the pause and the wrong note included, and it always brings smiles when we remember how it all started, its a little story, a little internal joke of ours. Do anyone of y'all have a any similar silly little stories to tell about? None of that has anything to do with whether or not Avril herself is a feminist. Being a girly girl and liking a traditional relationship doesn’t mean she’s not a feminist. Feminism simply means believing women should be equal to men and have the same rights and opportunities. All of which are things Avril has stood for since the very beginning of her career. I disagree, spiking someone's drink is quite obviously out of order so Avril included it in her lyrics in two of her songs to be edgy. This has understandably been interpreted by some feminists as suggesting violating a woman's rights is acceptable when it isn't, no matter how much a woman has had to drink. Therefore Avril is not much of a feminist in my opinion. "Feminism" is more of a spectrum than a binary option. I agree that Avril is no progressive spearhead on this level, but at the same time she did contribute toward feminist causes - either through her very presence in the profession, her attitude, appearance or sometimes her songs (e.g.Don't tell me). Of course, in all of these we have to keep in mind that plenty of things were projected through her image from the higher-ups. Anyway, she's a bit of a mixed bag, on one hand she still holds some (conservative) traditional values, like that notion that she picked from her mother where men are supposed to make first moves towards forming a relationship while women wait, but on the other hand she's also becoming another example of a successful and content woman whose adulthood isn't (wasn't) determined by motherhood.
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Post by ben545 on Dec 26, 2018 22:11:00 GMT
Not feeling good. Have come down with a cold and my sister is getting on my nerves this Christmas. Still it's nice to have time to relax even if I have a cold.
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Post by ben545 on Dec 28, 2018 20:00:41 GMT
Feeling happy. I fixed my toilet. I have a normal toilet now. Got the parts from a builder's merchants. Cost something like £4.86 from Selco. Adjustable arm fill valve. The flush was alright it was the fill valve that was playing up. One of the members of staff showed us the correct replacement parts we needed. The toilet fills up really quickly like a normal toilet now. I can have guests around and not be embarrassed about my toilet taking ages to fill up.
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Post by ShiningStar_x on Dec 29, 2018 9:10:07 GMT
ONLY 20 MORE DAYS TO GO THANKS GOD
No more mugs getting stolen No more feeling like I'm cleaning up after other people No more walking in on people talking about me where I live No more worrying about others doing stuff to my cat No more confiding my cat to one room No more walking on egg shells No more people that I live with tell me I'm rude Not long until I can have my tv and music turned up to how loud I want Not long now until I can walk to get fish and chips No more paying off someone else's mortgage
20 more days.
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Post by fcpunk on Dec 29, 2018 15:41:28 GMT
Nervous
Why do I have to have exams in january.. I just wish I could take some time off - enyoing christmas and new year's eve without having to think on these exams all the time..
I have to pass tho! I just have to
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 16:47:25 GMT
Nervous Why do I have to have exams in january.. I just wish I could take some time off - enyoing christmas and new year's eve without having to think on these exams all the time.. I have to pass tho! I just have to You will dude! Just think positive and believe in yourself. I'm sure you can do this!
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Post by ben545 on Dec 29, 2018 17:43:36 GMT
ONLY 20 MORE DAYS TO GO THANKS GOD No more mugs getting stolen No more feeling like I'm cleaning up after other people No more walking in on people talking about me where I live No more worrying about others doing stuff to my cat No more confiding my cat to one room No more walking on egg shells No more people that I live with tell me I'm rude Not long until I can have my tv and music turned up to how loud I want Not long now until I can walk to get fish and chips No more paying off someone else's mortgage 20 more days. I got my own place in 2007. Never looked back, hated sharing and paying rent. Good luck to you ShiningStar_x I wish you all the luck in the world. I hope you are able to find peace and contentment and tranquility in your new surroundings. Sending chilled vibes your way from Birmingham.
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Post by slapstick on Dec 29, 2018 18:00:55 GMT
Feeling happy. I fixed my toilet. I have a normal toilet now. Got the parts from a builder's merchants. Cost something like £4.86 from Selco. Adjustable arm fill valve. The flush was alright it was the fill valve that was playing up. One of the members of staff showed us the correct replacement parts we needed. The toilet fills up really quickly like a normal toilet now. I can have guests around and not be embarrassed about my toilet taking ages to fill up. So there was an issue inside the cistern, eh? Congrats on the fix, hope you experience the joys of a functioning toilet for years to come, he eh he he eh
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